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War on Iraq

Pentagon Holds Thousands of Americans 'Prisoners of War'

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted March 26, 2008.


There are at least 60,000 of them, but they're not on the DoD's list of soldiers missing in action.
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Sgt. Kristofer Shawn Goldsmith was one of the many soldiers and Marines, veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan, who gave testimony at last weekend's Winter Soldier investigation. They spoke from personal experience about what the American military is doing in those countries. They gave examples of what they had done, what they had been ordered to do, what they had witnessed, how their experiences had wounded them, both physically and psychically, and what kind of care and support they have, or most often have not gotten since coming home. The panel Goldsmith was on was called "The Breakdown of the U.S. Military," so he surprised the audience when he said that he was going to talk about prisoners of war.

He was not, however, going to talk about the three soldiers listed as missing in action on the Department of Defense website. He was referring to those who have been the victims of stop-loss, the device by which the president can, "in the event of war," choose to extend an enlistee's contract "until six months after the war ends." The "War on Terror" is this president's excuse for invoking that clause. Because that war will, by definition, continue as long as we insist that there is a difference between the terror inflicted on our innocents and the terror inflicted on theirs, American soldiers are effectively signing away their freedom indefinitely when they join the military. They are prisoners of an ill-defined and undeclared war on a tactic -- terrorism -- that dates back to Biblical times and will be with us indefinitely.

According to U.S. News and World Report, there are at least 60,000 of them.

"I was a great soldier once upon a time," Goldsmith says. He graduated at the top of his class in basic training and was on the commandant's list in the Warrior Leadership Course with a 94.6 percent average. He aced every test, mental and physical, received commendations and medals and promotions, but by the end of his first deployment he knew he was in serious trouble. His CSM (command sergeant major) Altman, however, had told his battalion, "If any of you go try to say you're depressed and thinking about killing yourself, you're going to get deployed anyway, and when we get there, you'll get to be my personal I.E.D. (improvised explosive device) kicker!" So he self-medicated; he drank. A lot. "All I wanted to do was black out."

What kept him going was the end that was in sight. He just had to hang on till his contract was up, and then he could go home, go back to school, and finally be a 20-year-old kid. Then days before he was scheduled to get out, his unit was locked down, stop-lossed as part of the surge. He was looking at another 18-month deployment.

At first he thought he was having a heart attack. It turned out to be a panic attack. He was diagnosed with depression, anxiety disorder and adjustment disorder, given a lot of pills and told he'd be fine. Or at least fine enough to go back.

The day before his unit was to deploy, Memorial Day 2007, he went out onto the memorial field at Ft. Stewart, where trees are planted for every soldier from 3rd Infantry Division killed in Iraq. He mixed pills and vodka, and tried to die.

He woke up handcuffed to a gurney and spent a week in a mental ward. His commanding officer tried to rip off his stripes and threatened to prosecute him for malingering, a court martial offense: He had tried to kill a U.S. Army soldier. Ultimately, he was given two Article 15s (nonjudicial punishment), one for malingering and one for missing movement (not deploying on time) and separated from the service with a general discharge stamped in big letters: "misconduct: serious offense." Under a general discharge, he lost all his educational benefits.

Sgt. Goldsmith's story is not necessarily more devastating than others I heard over the course of the four-day gathering. There were many that were told with equal courage and clarity, and that were equally revealing of important issues. But at some point as I listened to him speak, I realized that I was no longer listening as a journalist, I was listening as a mother. In 1971, the original Winter Soldiers were my age. This new generation are my children's. And this young soldier framed everything he had to say with a mother's worst nightmare: the death of a child.

The first picture Goldsmith showed was of a 10-year-old boy in "cammies," with dog tags on a chain around his neck, proudly offering his best boy scout salute. "That boy died in Iraq, " he says.

Another picture flashed on the screen, this time of a young soldier in real military camouflage, leaning out of a jeep and flashing a shit-eating boyish grin. It was a good day, the first day of his deployment to Iraq in 2005. That boy, too, Goldsmith told us, is dead.


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Penny Coleman is the widow of a Vietnam veteran who took his own life after coming home. Her latest book, Flashback: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder, Suicide and the Lessons of War, was released on Memorial Day, 2006. Her website is Flashback.

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Today’s volunteer Army is a form of economic conscription
Posted by: Richard House on Mar 26, 2008 12:43 AM   
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When the army is runs out of creative ideas for coping with the level of commitment that Iraq requires, they get blunt and start punishing good soldiers for not giving enough to their country. With no draft and recruitment down, you just have to keep them prisoner until the war is over, and this policy is here to stay. They did that in the Roman army, I believe, too. So joining the military is a bad idea in these times. Considering this, getting a job in a car-wash would be wiser.

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Mutany?
Posted by: Obijuan on Mar 26, 2008 1:43 AM   
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Maybe it's time for the grunts to take control of this situation. Maybe it's time for these young men to organize together in an even more meaningful way. If they could somehow come together, they could stop the war the hard way...but I guess (coming from a non-soldier) this is quite naive to dream as possible.

Someday, these guys will be home again. And when they are, I hope they are still strong enough to lead their country back to the light.

My heart breaks every time I read a story like this. America is really being destroyed before our eyes. When you couple this with the massive bailouts of companies and bank that should simply go out of business for bad business practices, it is obvious that America is doomed. Yet I am just a liberal pussy crying about what I don't understand, right?

Revolution is the only answer. We need to get mean and rough with those who have it coming. We need to start eliminating the causes of our woes directly, like a cancer in need of cutting out. Brave citizens, with nothing to lose, need to start taking these people out one by one. Suicide doesn't correct what has been done, but other actions might....

Don't worry, the media won't cover it anyway.

obi

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 26, 2008 3:15 AM   
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Pursue the Bush administration beyond January 20 until they are brought to justice.


Direct Democracy

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» It's not going to happen, ever Posted by: truthteller
Unbelievable shame
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Mar 26, 2008 3:51 AM   
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The treatment of the volunteer military under the Bush/Cheney administration is an utter disgrace.

How can they stand in front of the TV cameras with a straight face and pretend to support the troops!

The human toll of this war has reached catastrophic proportions. And the news media, and therefore the public, is largely oblivious.

Am I living in a bad B movie?

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Why killing yourself
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Mar 26, 2008 4:29 AM   
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When you can turn the weapon into the ones who criminally do it to yo.
The key phrase is: In such conditions, MUTINY is not only moral, but legal and perhaps a duty, even perhaps by your army manuals, and certainly by your constitution standarts.. so, when your comanding officer do such things to you, shoot him instead of shooting yourselves.
If your commander-in-chief is the main criminal, and the democratic institutions are too corrupt to try and imprison him, then convert mutiny into revolution, while you still have the weapons in hand, and shoot him too.
What else can one say?

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» RE: Why killing yourself Posted by: donl51
write your congress person
Posted by: dgleason on Mar 26, 2008 4:46 AM   
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There is something people can do about this.

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it is long since time that we need legislation about stop loss. If we are going to participate in these 'logical wars' like 'war on terror' there has to be clear law that protects the volunteer soldier. The bush administration has been able to continue this because they have not been forced to bring up the issue of conscription. While I am not fond of the draft, if we are drafting, in effect there is no excuse for not drafting everyone's child, not just the one's that volunteer.

We really need to do something about the Bushies breaking our military in every conceivable way.

Danielle

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Nothing new
Posted by: technocrat on Mar 26, 2008 4:51 AM   
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When the Mexican president/general-in-chief Santa Anna was purging the opposition to his dictatorship, he conscripted hundreds of natives from the Yucatan jungles. Strangers to guns and modern warfare, they broke ranks and tried to return to their homes. Their supreme punishment was to be returned to the army for a ten-year hitch without pay.

Nothing changes. As long as reverence for strength and domination prevails over dialogue and mutual benefit, and the military industry constitutes such a significant segment of corporate profits, don't look for any relief. As economic conditions deteriorate, and the social system breaks down, the sheeple will clamor for protection from their destitute neighbors. And the military, whether in the form of mercenaries or local cops simply wanting to hold on to their incomes, will step up and start bashing heads. The nightly home invasions by the police state now being carried out in Iraq will become routine in the U.S.

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Finally, thank you for bringing this up
Posted by: kamcguffin on Mar 26, 2008 5:01 AM   
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Not only are soldiers missing but citizens. I was targeted to be one of them. In the Kansas City area, by June 2002 over 1,200 Muslims had been arrested by the sheriff's department. All personal property, bank accounts, homes and businesses were confiscated. And for those of us who were released nothing was returned. Only those of us who had extended family and already, usually for business reasons had a lawyer were released. Only because I was already fighting ID theft against lawyer did I get released. No one has ever admitted to what has happened to the missing. I had no idea that soldiers were also targeted. If someone asks if you knew your Muslim neighbor was a terrorist and claims to be in law enforcement, your neighbor has been kidnapped and wasn't a terrorist.

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And so what are we doing?
Posted by: eksommer on Mar 26, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Mostly nothing . . . As a consumer society we are too concerned about shopping and less concerned about an illegal, immoral war that is traumatizing an entire generation of young people. The only reason we don't protest is because there is no draft, which means the military positions are being filled by those who join for either patriotism or career choice, because they need the money to go to school, or because they have no other options. Regardless, we are not supporting our military by letting this war go on and by not safeguarding future generations so that service extensions are not necessary and this situation never happens again.

My answer is to enlist all young people into military service after high school, perhaps not all for combat, but service of some kind. This would force adults to wake and take action when their children might be put in harm's way for all the wrong reasons. Voters of all ages would suddenly have a vested interest in making sure that if this country fights a war, it is vital to our survival as a nation and not on the ill-informed whim of a moron who calls himself president. So who has read The Forever War or Ender's Game?

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» Dig deeper Cibershamen Posted by: donl51
Military abuse
Posted by: QCao009 on Mar 26, 2008 5:57 AM   
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Penny, thank you for continuing to support your husband. It is a travesty this Administration has taken to new heights for a group that claims publicly to support the military. Their record speaks louder than words. We will look back on this period in history and realize that this Administration sets the standard for immorality and cowardice...all in the name of God and country.

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American response to Bush's illegal war was to reward him with a 2nd term
Posted by: PakiBoy on Mar 26, 2008 6:26 AM   
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that is all there is to know about the majority of Americans!

How does this nation goes about supporting politicians that launch one illegal invasion after the other?
Do you guys not know about the atrocities in Vietnam? Your support for war-criminals must be intentional.

No wonder Issane McCain has a real chance of winning the White House!

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» No good deed goes unpunished. Posted by: Artkansas
Congress could put an end to this????
Posted by: antiapathy on Mar 26, 2008 6:26 AM   
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Congress is full of warmongering republicans and spineless democrats. Even the supposed "anti-war" democrats have bought bush's lies and continue to vote to fund the war. Congress will not put an end to this until we vote the warmongers and faux-anti-war traitors out.

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Why the surprise?
Posted by: John Annis on Mar 26, 2008 6:58 AM   
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The US is the most militarily agressive society in modern times. Nowhere else in the 'first' world is the military so revered and lionised, with your non-stop babbling about heroes, warriors and patriotism.

What makes this doubly ironic is the fact that the US has not seen an aggressor's foot on its land for almost 200 years.

The natural outcome of all this, coupled with the political suicide that a draft would entail, is that more and more is required of those who have already enlisted. Plus the recruiters are paying bigger and bigger enlistment bonuses, and increasingly to riffraff who couldn't get a job flipping burgers.

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. RIP.

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» RE: Why the surprise? Posted by: BCcovers
» RE: Why the surprise? Posted by: Crazy H
Trained Killers
Posted by: Ohjin on Mar 26, 2008 8:13 AM   
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How much longer will we turn our sons and daughters into trained killers to die for insane leaders, big Corporations, and their policies?

When Parents teach children that ALL killers are ALL sick individuals, then children will no longer become trained killers, they won't be sacrificed any more as MILITARY power for insane leaders.

No more trained killers, re-introduced into society after we are "done" with them as Trained Killers, would also prevent them from being left to their own private hell(s) for the rest of their lives.

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» RE: Trained Killers Posted by: donl51
And of course...THERE IS THIS!
Posted by: NamVeT on Mar 26, 2008 8:19 AM   
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"The facts are stark and the facts are real...Our men and women in
uniform love their country more than their comfort. They have never failed
us, and we must not fail them. But the best intentions and the highest
morale are undermined by back-to-back deployments, poor pay, shortages
of spare parts and equipment, and rapidly declining readiness."

"...these are signs of a military in decline and we must do something
about it. The reasons are clear. Lack of equipment and material.
Undermaning of units. Overdeployment. Not enough time for family. Soldiers who
are on food stamps, and soldiers who are poorly housed. Dick Cheney
and I have a simple message today for our men and women in uniform, their
parents, their loved ones, their supporters: Help is on the way!"

"A generation shaped by Vietnam must remember the lessons of Vietnam.
When America uses force in the world, the cause must be just, the goal
must be clear, and the victory must be overwhelming."

"To build morale in today's United States military we must keep faith
with those who have worn the uniform in the past. We must keep faith
with America's veterans. . .And keeping faith also means giving our
veterans first-rate health care and treating the veterans with dignity. . .So
chaotic is the process there is now a backlog of nearly one
half-million claims. This is no way to treat any citizen, much less a veteran of
our armed forces. The veterans health-care system and the claims
process will be modernized, so that claims are handled in a fair and friendly
way."

"In my Administration, the Department of Veterans Affairs will act as
an advocate for veterans seeking benefit claims, not act as an
adversary. Veterans who once stood in the line of fire to protect our freedom
should not have to stand in the line of a bureaucracy that is unwilling
to help them in their claims."

---George W. Bush VFW Speech - August 21, 2000

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Wright and Lying
Posted by: JohnJlws on Mar 26, 2008 8:27 AM   
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I'm an Obama supporter. I have been from about the beginning, when, in Iowa, people would say "Barack who?"

Clinton's recent lie about being under sniper fire was simply more confirming evidence of my disdain for her and Bill's "win at all cost" campaign that I dubbed "fear and smear lite." Clever, eh?

I had pretty much vowed not to support her if she prevails somehow as the nominee.

However, stories like this demonstrate why we must, all of us, get behind, full throttle, the democratic candidate. He may choose Reverend Wright or Louis Farrakhan as his VP and she'll probably lie about every other time she opens her mouth, but if we don't go democratic we have years and years and years left of this garbage in Iraq.

We knew well before we withdrew that it was time to declare victory in Vietnam and head for home; the time has long since passed in Iraq as well. And, I hope it's Obama I'm voting and working for, but if not, I'm going to work and support Clinton. And I'm going to work as hard for whomever the democratic candidate is even if they (I'm a republican) draft a gerbil.

Thanks to the author for the clarifying why no matter who, it cannot be McCain.

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» RE: This is Appropriate How?? Posted by: Andie927
» RE: This is Appropriate How?? Posted by: JohnJlws
End Industrial Military Complex
Posted by: Andie927 on Mar 26, 2008 9:02 AM   
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Where was your support when Kerry, a real Veterans advocate, ran??

Obama's most recent statement about 'ending the war' is that it'll happen during his "First Term" yea, right!!
Country Before Party***Go Green (Party)***

What about the Permanent Bases? What about the Vatican Sized Embassey?? How about stopping the use of our military to protect "Overseas Corportate Interests", not OUR National Defense??

The term 'War' should be redefined, as only as in Declared War's, Voted on and Approved by Congress! (and it should require a super-majority vote) No 'War time Powers' without it.

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Bonus and Stop Loss reason for re-enlistment levels..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Mar 26, 2008 9:12 AM   
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This issue also puts the fire to the lie of re-enlistments being so high these poor guys know that due to Stop Loss they will be called up again anyway so many most of them figure they might as well take the bonus than to be collared back under Stop Loss and get no bonus..!

Oh McNutcase is giving his War is Good Speech..!

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Stop-loss, another unconstitutional act
Posted by: Reader11722 on Mar 26, 2008 9:53 AM   
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Stop-loss orders, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Impeach them all and save this great country.

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Orwell was an optomist
Posted by: willymack on Mar 26, 2008 9:58 AM   
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When he wrote "1984". He envisioned a world composed of three political divisions, based on geography. These three divisions were constantly at war with one another, usually with two ganging up on the other, that is until the alliance broke down and a new one made with the former adversary, only to start the whole process over. History was what Big Brother said it was, and was in a constant state of flux. The language mutated into Newspeak, the better to confuse, obfuscate, and prevaricate. A war on terror was on-going and never-ending, with the principal "terrorist" being one Emmanual Ginsberg. Sound familiar? The whole object of Big Brother and his goons was the attainment and retention of absolute power for its own sake. I said Orwell was an optomist for this reason: His world was more or less stable, one in which no one nation-state ever really got the upper hand. The people were kept ignorant of Reality, and were allowed to live only if they towed the Party line. War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Power were the Words to live by. While there are many similiarities to Orwell's world and ours, the difference here is that, sooner or later, our country will fail, without friends, and without support from a world thoroughly disgusted with our brutal and belligerent behavior.

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OT: The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
Posted by: aonghus36 on Mar 26, 2008 10:34 AM   
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I think you folks ought to know that the Western world isn't the only group wanting to take over the world, not that I really think you do. But, let me introduce to you for those who do not know, The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation. http://www.sectsco.org/home.asp?LanguageID=2

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Contain the owning class, save the world
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 26, 2008 11:29 AM   
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The only solution to any of this is cage the rich and take their wealth and their privilege away from them.

Every time someone gives a rich asshole a pass, an act of treason has been committed. True a congress of plumbers and laborers would probably have launched a nookyuhler war against just about everyone, but when it failed, a congress of workers--people who intimately know from consequences and costs--would have had the common sense to admit it and change their ways. Not so with rich entitled wastes-of-skin. The rich overprivileged brats posing as politicians in DC will never admit they were wrong and they're always the first ones to want to get violent.

The owning class deserves neither privilege nor mercy. Enough of this shit. As long as you trust one rich prick you are asking for trouble.

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this is why War's on Concepts...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 26, 2008 12:38 PM   
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... "War on Terror" "War on Drugs" are not only wrong and illegal
but morally repugnant giving the Executive Branch "CIC" unlimited powers...


perhaps the US Military should Unionize...
their are working other country models to base this on...
what I am suggesting "IS" radical but the current executive policy of "Stop-loss" with soldiers that have done there duty, [on a concept war] is a radical approach as well...

It's long past due that the US military recognize that service in its Military is a privilege and honor and should be treated in that matter, if a soldier has done completed his commitment [tour] then he should be allowed to leave with honor at anytime with a written request [resignation]... afterall i wouldnt really want to be in theatre with a person who really doesnt want to be there... people like that will be a hazard to moral, life and limb of all...

time for a "TRUE" all volunteer force...
and stop the current farcical all voluntold force!

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Give me a break
Posted by: SOWILO on Mar 26, 2008 1:31 PM   
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Though I am not "for" the war in Iraq, it was inevitable as long as cities like Miami, Los Angeles, Beijing, Phoenix/Tempe/Scottsdale, etc. etc. exist.

We can cry all we want about this, but these are the consequences of war. Until we change our car culture and consumerism, we will need the military to support our lifestyles and our incessant baby boom.

These young men knew the possibility of this when they enlisted. We liberals can cry about this and demand that Bush or whomever goes to jail, while we live it up in LA, Scottsdale, Minneapolis, Atlanta, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

We are always blaming the leaders. Why not look in the mirror.

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I feel a draft
Posted by: Gaubladt on Mar 26, 2008 5:50 PM   
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The general abuse of people in uniform by this government is a deliberate attempt to undermine the volunteer army, and bring back the draft. Soon, people will be using the stop-loss abuse as a talking point for reinstating the draft.
But, 50,000 americans were killed in Vietnam because the war machine had an endless supply of human meat to devour for it's glorious adventures. Don't fool yourselves into thinking that it won't happen again.
What we have here now is a situation where people are, in effect, voting against the war by not enlisting. We just need a law that mandates ending a war when nobody volunteers.

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Cheney's volunteers?
Posted by: Fraud Guy on Mar 26, 2008 7:41 PM   
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So these are the soldiers who Cheney said knew the risks:

"The president carries the biggest burden, obviously. He’s the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans, but we are fortunate to have a group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm’s way for the rest of us."

If they are forced to stay in the armed forces, are they still considered "volunteers"?

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alternet should have a tv station
Posted by: fonn on Mar 26, 2008 8:18 PM   
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It seems to me that the reason Americans keep putting arseholes in the White House is ignorance of what is going on in their country. Would they still be ignorant if Alternet had a tv station of its own which they could watch instead of cnn, nbc, cbs, fox and other shits?

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The Presidental Power to extend
Posted by: modeler on Mar 27, 2008 8:34 AM   
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Lets not forget that this jerk never served in combat but went AWOL even from the homefront National Guard. And that his second in command never even wore a uniform. Greast heroes both. Not only deciders but extenders, in realty traitors and war criminals!

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induct Bush since he wants the joy of combat.
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 30, 2008 6:59 AM   
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and any chickenhawk who voted for the war. Stop loss is involuntary servitude and it time that those politicians and their families who promote it should be inducted since they will make great warriors.

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I'm surprised to see no mention
Posted by: HarryStottle on Mar 31, 2008 5:26 PM   
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of Sir! No Sir!

what we need is a campaign to send a copy of that documentary (about the military rebellion against the war in Vietnam) to every serving member of the US Military. That'll cause a panic driven response or two...

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