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War on Iraq

Bush Won't Let Go of His Failed Iraq Project

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted September 14, 2007.


Bush's Oval Office address on Iraq culminates a week of brazen propaganda from the White House and Pentagon, with no sign that the president has learned anything from his failure.
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Let's cut through the debate about the troop surge and violence in Iraq and all the rest, and get to the heart of the fraud perpetrated this week on the American people. That was the almost universal assertion -- almost universally unquestioned by the commercial media -- that U.S. interests in Iraq are (A) compatible with Iraq's interests, and (B) that U.S. policy makers' primary concern -- at least now that we're there -- is to stabilize the war-torn country and assure that it doesn't become a "safe haven" for al Qaeda or a puppet state controlled by Iran.

It was a Big Lie that was repeated during every minute of testimony by General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker and echoed in every statement made by a Republican or a Democrat and at least implied in every analysis in the traditional media.

And it was the centerpiece of Bush's pitch from the Oval Office Thursday night to continue the occupation of Iraq indefinitely: "Iraq is an ally," he said, and "our moral and strategic imperatives are one: We must help Iraq defeat those who threaten its future -- and also threaten ours." That help will be open-ended: "Iraqi leaders have asked for an enduring relationship with America. And we are ready to begin building that relationship."

So the discussion in the United States remains: What can "we" do to help the Iraqi government, fight insurgents, bring about political reconciliation, keep the civil conflict(s) tearing the country apart from spreading across the region, etc. The implication is always the same: "We" are on the same side as the Iraqi people, with whom "we're" fighting terrorists and "anti-Iraqi forces" -- a favorite term at the Pentagon -- and whatever "we" do to advance our own interests will also improve the situation in Iraq.

If that were true, the United States could play a significant role in bringing about a modicum of stability to Iraq, and it could help do so relatively quickly. After all, poll after poll shows that a significant majority of Iraqis -- like a majority of Iraqi lawmakers -- want their country to develop into a nonsectarian state free of Iranian interference. Iraqis, historically one of the most secular polities in the Middle East, almost universally despise the insurgent group called al Qaeda in Iraq -- the little support that the group enjoys is based entirely on its resistance to the U.S. occupation -- and favor a strong central government free of ethnic and sectarian voting blocs.

The opportunity to make that vision a reality has repeatedly presented itself. Iraqi nationalist groups have reached out to occupation authorities in the hope of negotiating a peace, only to be rebuffed by American officials. The United States could live up to its lofty rhetoric and embrace the aspirations of the Iraqi people if Washington chose to go that way.

But it hasn't and it won't, because Iraqi interests are diametrically opposite of American interests in the region -- that's the dirty secret the commercial media won't admit and the reason that the American project there was doomed from the beginning; no amount of surging troops or jingoistic speeches on the floor of the Senate will ever make a difference as long as we're trying to impose on Iraq a government they don't want.

Embracing Iraqi interests would mean giving up the Washington dream of a wide-open, Wild-West, virtually unregulated Iraqi economy bloated with energy revenues and ripe for the picking by international investors. Two out of three Iraqis want their energy sector -- the source of 90 percent of the country's revenues -- to be developed by the state. But the United States didn't invade Iraq just to have another Arab country with massive oil reserves controlled by a state oil company and huge subsidies propping up its citizens. So the conflict will continue.

Embracing Iraqi interests means ending the occupation -- eight out of ten Iraqis want the U.S. to commit to a timetable for withdrawal. Iraqi Saleh Adnan, 34, a mechanic, watched a broadcast of General Petraeus' testimony this week from Baghdad, and summed up the feelings of most Iraqis: "For us the main point is when the occupation will end," he said. "For me the main report will be the one which announces the American departure." But while Bush endorsed a "draw-down" of troops in his Oval Office speech, it will be a token withdrawal -- the White House and the Pentagon won't be satisfied with only a toehold in the Middle East. So the conflict will continue.

Of course, the United States will never willingly concede its interests for any reason -- the concept is anathema to our foreign policy elite, to anyone trained in international relations. But Iraq demonstrates to what degree the very concept of "national interests" can be manipulated to mean the interests of a few. Maintaining the occupation may indeed serve the interests of those who fantasize of a benevolent American empire lasting throughout the century, and it may well serve the interests of the American investor class. But occupation at the cost of thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars doesn't serve the interests of most Americans any more than it does the Iraqi people.

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Oh yes he will!
Posted by: TT5 on Sep 14, 2007 12:07 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
When the facts on the ground begin to hit in!

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He had me at shock and awe
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 14, 2007 1:01 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Why can't give Bushco time to do his thing? He obviously knows what he's doing. Has he ever steered us wrong before? Let's examine the record...
"Mission accomplished....they'll greet us as liberators....throw flowers at our feet....cakewalk....uniter-not-a-divider....stuff happens....slam dunk....we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud....wmd....a vote for authorization is a vote for peace....last resort....bring 'em on....we've turned a corner....we go to war with the Army we've got, not the Army we wish to have in the future....we've learned that Saddam sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa....America cannot be the world's policemen....expressing dissent only helps the terrorists....timetables help the insurgents....the Iraqi govt needs to set benchmarks....we must fight them there or we will fight them here....the American people are all dipshits (how did this one get here, he only thinks it?)....what civil war?....progress is being made....you're either with us or you're against us....dictatorships are fine, as long as I'm the dictator (paraphrase)....we'll stand down as they stand up....".
Those are just the quotes off the top of my head, I'm sure there is tons more. Have they EVER been straight with us? There is an old saying, "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice....can't get fooled again". Well, the sheeple got fooled again in '04, that'll teach them to trust in the office of the presidency.
Bush quoting Lincoln...."You can fool some of the people all of the time....and that's enough". Good night and good luck....

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The Criminal keeps pushin' on...
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Sep 14, 2007 1:58 AM   
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The hubris from this administration never ceases to amaze me. But, the criminal goes on and on and on.....and on.

This war is illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, and financially ruinous - and it’s been that way since the day it started.

Continuing the killing isn’t going to change that one bit.

The time to end this madness is now. Not next year and not next month. Today, not tomorrow. Now.

I'll leave it at that. Read on if you’d like:

"Top-Ten Reasons to Get out of Iraq. Now!" - click here

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Lost Opportunity
Posted by: robchapman on Sep 14, 2007 3:29 AM   
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President Bush last night squandered another opportunity to be a leader.

The President had the opportunity to reach out and to demonstrate a grasp of foreign policy and domestic politicis.

Had he discussed an exit plan from Iraq, he could have engaged the country in a bipartisan debate and set the terms of engeagement for his successor.

Instead, he choose to return to the disasterosu cpurse he set and maintained before the surge.

Stay the course simply is not adequate.

Bush lhas decided to leave office without having solved the IRaq problem.

There is no longer any rationale for supporting him or anyone advocating his policy.

Bush has shown again that he simply doesn't care how many people are killed or how the Iraq conflict turns out.

His attitude of stubborn denial of reality is the clearest demonstration that he knows his statements on Iraq are untrue.

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» RE: Lost Opportunity Posted by: bikerdude
» RE: Lost Opportunity Posted by: Solar Wind
More Warmongering from the White House
Posted by: Roy Eidelson on Sep 14, 2007 3:31 AM   
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The White House and its supporters will no doubt now ramp up their warmongering in an effort to overwhelm the many legitimate and compelling arguments against "staying the course." For those interested in a psychological analysis of why this warmongering "works," I 've recently completed a 10-minute online video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It examines how the Bush administration has promoted the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting five core concerns that often govern our lives--concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, the continuing occupation of Iraq--or an attack on Iran--will likely be sold to us in much the same way. The video examines these warmongering appeals and offers some suggestions on how to counter them. It’s available for viewing HERE.

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WHAT CANNOT BE OPENLY TALKED ABOUT
Posted by: Christie on Sep 14, 2007 3:42 AM   
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The true US goal or benchmark requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law putting control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies. These companies would receive 80 percent of the revenue, the Iraqis 20 percent under what's called a production sharing agreement. These agreements are binding typically for 25 to 40 years. It seems to me that Malaki and the Parliment are resisting divvy up the spoils of their oil reserves. How could they explain to their constituencies why they gave away the lion's share of their oil wealth and why would they want to give it away.

All the administration's and Congressmen’s talk about our prematurely leaving Iraq to sectarian civil war and violence has, in my opinion, little to do with democracy or humanitarian concerns and everything to do with who eventually gets to control the oil. That is the true “Operation Iraqi Liberation” (OIL) as it was originally called. It seems to me that the administration’s desired benchmark that has not been met but cannot be openly talked about is having the Iraqi parliament pass the hydrocarbon law that requires them to give away most of their oil. On Iraqi politician said, way back in May, "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." (Quotation from an Alternet article on Iraq)

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» The Iraqis Posted by: hurricane hugo
The Pied Piper of BUSHING-DUMB!
Posted by: williameon on Sep 14, 2007 4:01 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The War Machine Grinds ON!

We got no money for:
College
Schools
Education
Health Care
Environment
Renewable energy
Infrastructure
Pollution
Bridges
Highways
&
our
Poor
Homeless
Vets.

But
Plenty of money for,
Prisons
Doctors
Lawyers
The Drug Conglomerates
and
Our
Beautiful
WAR MACHINE!

It’s a
Shrub/Dick
Halliburton/Carlyle
WAR.

Talking about conflict of interest?
Is anyone listening?
Is anyone paying attention?

When GREED runs wild,
Innocent civilians pay with their lives, homes and Country.
Civilian Blood
Lubricates
The Wheels
of
The WAR MACHINE!
As another phony
Ten Star General
Proclaims!
Success is just around the corner.

A lot of
Metals and Stars
But where’s the Scars?

There is no possibility of Victory.
We are policing a Civil War.
We are running another
Mini-Military-Police-State.

Draw attention.
Look over there.
While no one is watching the store?
No body is protecting us here?

Coincidently!

NOW
or
on

911

Nobody was home.

NORAD
The Air Force
The National Guard
They were no where to be found?
The only people not watching
Where the ones who where
Supposed to protect us and
Stop it
While the whole world was glued to their T.V. sets
The were out to Lunch.
Busy
Planning the next Calamity
To
Perpetrate
On
The
American People
Who are all fast asleep?
Sick
Brainwashed
Over worked
Under paid
Conditioned
Ignorant
Fools!
Who hold on to their T.V. sets
For dear life.
To get their fix
Of
The
DAILY
DELUSION
Brought to you by?
By
The Cor‘pirate’
FAUX NEWS
The Hav-Ben-Traitors of Doom.

Herd everyone over
The Cliff.
Follow
The Pied Piper
Of
Bushing-Dumb!

914
Stand Down
L.A.

The IRAN WAR must go on!

It’s said?
History repeats itself.
Just watch.
It’s a
CORPIRATE
One Trick Pony Show!
And guess who is going to get
Boned?

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Time for Congress to Act
Posted by: Democritus on Sep 14, 2007 4:56 AM   
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Did anyone catch John Edwards' response to Bush's address on MSNBC? Edwards paid for the political commercial from his own campaign funds, and his message was that all our troops must start coming home now. In other words, since argument will not convince Bush to change course, it is up to Congress to end our occupation. The only way for them to do that is to cut funding for the war and to use existing funds to bring our troops home safely.

Dennis Kucinich has a 12-point plan for doing what Edwards has urged. The reason that Pelosi and Reid won't act on this plan is that they're afraid of the political consequences--that they will be accused of not supporting the troops. This fear is groundless, since the sensible way to support the troops is to extricate them from a civil war. It's time for Pelosi and Reid to put up or shut up--stiffen their spines and take action. Otherwise they and their colleagues will remain complicit in Mr. Bush's war.

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» RE: Time for Congress to Act Posted by: bikerdude
» RE: Time for Congress to Act Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Time for Congress to Act Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Time for Congress to Act Posted by: Plesiosaur
Beware the Lame Duck
Posted by: shangrilalad on Sep 14, 2007 5:04 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Beware the Lame Duck
The Nation Editorial

“Relief over Bush's last days should not blind us to this central fact: For the next sixteen months, his Administration is the executive branch. It still runs the occupation of Iraq, approves or vetoes laws and budgets, makes political and judicial appointments, issues federal regulations, negotiates treaties and trade agreements and controls a swollen network of surveillance and law enforcement agencies. Indeed, thanks to the implementation of the "unitary executive" theory and the unprecedented use of signing statements, Bush may be the most powerful and dangerous President in history.”


America is locked into a corrupt economic and political system made corrupt by a sociopathic ruling class and elected lawmakers dedicated to continuing the corruption forever. Our representatives have immunized themselves from law by passing laws that legalize criminality. For instance, campaign contributions are nothing but legalized bribery. In another instance, the Supreme Court gave corporations rights equal to and in many cases superior to human rights. Corporations are a sham device owned by wealthy people who gave themselves unlimited rights and no social responsibilities. All along, the intent was to oppress, exploit and rob the American people.

We the people can’t reform or change the system by voting because our representatives in both political parties have subverted the laws and constitution by making it virtually impossible for us to establish new political parties to reform or change the system. Remember, their primary goal is to protect and perpetuate corruption and the system, because the corruption is the source of their wealth and power. And truth be told, not enough Americans know or care enough to even vote, much less reform or change the system.

Don’t worry though, the system is self-destructing anyway. With a little luck, some of us might even survive when the plutocrat’s Mammonistic Empire crashes and burns.

.

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» RE: Beware the Lame Duck Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Beware the Lame Duck Posted by: scott balogh
» RE: stupidity Posted by: shangrilalad
» RE: Beware the Lame Duck Posted by: tommy_slothrop
» What should we call our new country Posted by: common intelligence
Most of us are poor students of history
Posted by: xvictor on Sep 14, 2007 5:51 AM   
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Recently, research revealed that school students usually score poorly in history, particularly world history. So we forget the lessons of Vietnam and the French Algerian conflict, and the support still elicited for the Iraqi slaughter demonstrates that. George Santanya (sp?) said it best and is amply evident with his very on-spot line, "those who forget history will be doomed to repeat it."

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» Re: THE QUOTE of SANTAYNA Posted by: crazy carlos
» RE: e: THE QUOTE of SANTAYana Posted by: peacefullaim
Oil, Oil, and more Oil
Posted by: james2021 on Sep 14, 2007 7:24 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We will not leave the middle east while there is one drop of oil left in the ground there.

Best thing would be to develop an alternate energy source. Then the economic incentive to cause trouble else where would be eliminated.

Imagine, crude oil worthless, Middle East no longer draining the American Economy, Hugo Chavez powerless, as the Venezulaean economy crashes due to the loss of oil revenue.
No need to secure energy supplies anywhere else. No need to send miners into dangerous mines for coal, no need to level mountains to mine coal, and a reduction in greenhouse gasses to boot.


A dream world for sure, as Big Oil, Big Banks, Coal companies etc, have too much at stake in continuingin
Business as usual.

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The other half!
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Sep 14, 2007 7:32 AM   
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Josh you wrote only half a story.. It would be interesting to hear how you view the results of an American pullout and the effect, (both immediate and long term) on Iraq and the region.

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» RE: sanity Posted by: shangrilalad
» There is no other half Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: There is no other half Posted by: ray burchard
Sorry, this comment has been removed from the system.
» RE: There is a Solution Josh Posted by: channing
» RE: There is a Solution Josh Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: There is no other half Posted by: Nedtheredhead
» RE: There is no other half Posted by: peacefullaim
» RE: There is no other half Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Better yet Posted by: crazy carlos
» RE:Hey crazy carlos. . . Posted by: peacefullaim
» the other half? Posted by: nor cal surfer
BUSHBOY'S BIG SUCCESS
Posted by: Patriot76 on Sep 14, 2007 7:36 AM   
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Here's a photograph of Bushboy thinking up his new slogan for Iraq: http://wwwthepartyofthewidestance.blogspot.com/

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obviously bush wil not let go..
Posted by: dismayed on Sep 14, 2007 7:39 AM   
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that is hardly news, and is anyone really surprised at the outcome of the report? What I am troubled with is the sinking realization that Clinton or Obama, or any republican besides ron paul, will not significantly alter the course of events either. The notion of bringing "the troops" home is a shell game, they would be replaced by "trainers" and/or more "private security". we are in for the long haul, and that is consistent with the needs of the greedy, scared, and lazy citizenry we have largely become, and also consistent with the awful middle east political realities the insane neo con reaction to the brutal events of 9-11 created.

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nice, while a self serving Sapir-Whorf hypothesis
Posted by: ray burchard on Sep 14, 2007 7:48 AM   
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Obviously you hold to the Academic doctrine of 'Recondite' knowledge, that is to say, hide ineptitude and ignorance behind a protective wall of silence.

Thanks for your reply
Ray

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Why use the number 36 in last night's speech?
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Sep 14, 2007 7:51 AM   
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Hello all,

Don't reach for the tin foil hat just yet. This is a demonstration of the truth.

Want to know the true significance of the number 36 in Bush's speech? There obviously are not 36 countries fighting in "Babble on." So why did our Bonesman President use it in his speech last night?

36 is the triangular number base for 666.
Now read what I posted before Bush's speech, yesterday

Merely a coincidence? I think I have proven otherwise!!!

Understanding 666

Peace...

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The General
Posted by: bobbquakenbush on Sep 14, 2007 7:58 AM   
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Who had ever head of General Petraeus before he was moved into his first combat position in 2003? When in the last few years did he become the most knowledgeable military strategists in the US military? When did a single general, either in the Pentagon or in the field, determine political action in the White House and the Congress?

This non-entity was brought to us care of the Bush White House and set up as the top military mind available to us. And the American people fell for it hook line and sinker. We saw members of Congress fall over themselves trying to align themselves with this unknown poser. And now we have him to thank for the Bush strategy of more staying the course.

Admiral William Fallon, Pretraeus' boss, referred to him as a "…chickenshit brownnoser…", and we are suppose to kneel before this cardboard general? We were set up for this since the surge started and now we see the results. More dead, more wasted lives, more deceit, and more calls to just wait around until Bush is out office and an adult can try to clean up his mess like people have been doing for him his whole improbable life.

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It's a waste of energy
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Sep 14, 2007 8:26 AM   
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to keep harping on Bush & Cheney's failure to fulfill their democratic goals in Iraq because, as we know, everything they say is a lie to cover their real objective - the imperial domination of the Middle East and its vast reserves of oil. Cheney & Bush are neo-imperialist corporate fascists. So who's going to tell the American people they've been taken for a ride on a Brahma bull with predictable consequences? Not the Democrats apparently; and the American Left has been so marginalized it cannot break through the Media wall of censorship. So, is that it? The fact that Cheney & Bush are not bumbling failures, but the arch criminals of our time, and that to save ourselves and all humanity they must be impeached before they declare their own manufactured "national emergency" and assume the dictatorial powers they so desire and try to impose their fascist empire on the whole World - is a secret the people will never know? If so, one would be forced by overwhelming evidence to admit the human race is an insane species, habitually deluding itself and driving toward its own extinction!

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Better maybe to turn the whole war effort over to Exxon and BP
Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Sep 14, 2007 8:34 AM   
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"The United States didn't invade Iraq just to have another Arab country with massive oil reserves controlled by a state oil company and huge subsidies propping up its citizens. So the conflict will continue."

Damn right we didn't! That's not a bad description of Saudi Arabia, home of most of the 9/11 perps. Who needs that?

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BUSH HAS NOTHING AT STAKE HERE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 14, 2007 8:51 AM   
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That's what makes him scary. Please no more hearings, reports or investigations. There has been no progress just rearranging the old ones. It's time for Congress to make the only call they can. We can't continue to fund Bush's folly so he can relax until he leaves office. No one in his administration is diplomatic enough to attempt a political solution in Iraq. Just more war. Not an acceptable way to bide time until the next election. Thanks, ANNA

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Let's give the guy some credit
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Sep 14, 2007 9:22 AM   
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Bush knows his policies are junk. His thinking is assbackwards. But he's dogged determined to see them through. Just like a drunk in a bar fight. I saw this kind of idiocy at rehab centers across the country. This is how recovering coke and booze heads act. Too bad we let him get as far up the ladder as he did.
Nope,he's the drunk driving at the street market of Iraq and he's not turning off.The pisser is,when he cracks the car up,we're all in it. Even scarier is the fact that he'll be 'The Driver' for another year. Be on the lookout for him to try to invalidate the elections,there's no limit to how low this creaton can go.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez.

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Hypocrisy
Posted by: ray burchard on Sep 14, 2007 9:28 AM   
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Come on, we all know why America is at war in iraq and elsewhere. For corporate America's prosperity and the globalization of corporate America's form of unbridled capitalism (greed).

While the bulk of the American people disagree with this overt policy of greed, like it or not this president and his actions abroad represents all of America.
Now couple that fact with the fact that America has a proven tract record of, a 'cut your losses and run' when the going gets tough mentality, i.e. Korea, Vietnam and now Iraq and we have earned the world's preception of America's malleable code of ethics and style of corporate greed as our nations governance policies and direction.
America has become a clone of unbridled greed and of integrity's weakness, we've become the Jew of nations and with that designation comes all the terror of our own protracted 'holocaust', and not just in Iraq.
There is more at stake here than just, 'I told you so'.

Joshua, even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile and what if we don't run from the uncontrolled bloodshed we've started, but stay and clean up our mess by forging some sort of muslim unity in relationship with a structured 'equal rights' in governance. Would not American governance in conjunction with its people, also benefit?

Cutting and running can have a greater long term impetus on America than the short term gain, its not just about Buch/Cheney's corporate American greed, its about the essence of America. Its a bitter pill we must take to get better health as a 'whole'.

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Defining and Overseeing "Defense" is the solution
Posted by: channing on Sep 14, 2007 9:46 AM   
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The Constitution and our Founding Fathers constrained our military to "Defense", but a Revolving-Door Elite in back-room Secrecy continues to mislead the US into "Interventions", "Covert Activities", "Protecting National Interests", "Preemption", "Spreading Democracy", "Spreading Freedom" and other Marketing-Spin and outright Lies. These Abuses of Power are all "Offensive" in nature, antithetical to International Law, and Un-Constitutional in the real world. The Perversion of US Defenses has been hammered into our culture by the likes of the Council On Foreign Relations, AIPAC, and is in collaboration with various corporate weapons and energy zealots and their greedy and conflicted Congressional Representatives.

The problem here is a near complete lack of Transparent Representation, a Dis-Union for the sake of agendas completely Un-American (Non-Defensive use of the military) through well-financed Marketing to the Highest Offices of our Land and Intimidation which subjects those Representatives to a chorus of Public and Private Attacks when they don't tow the line. We have been Hijacked by this Foreign Policy Elite that is hiding behind a Black-Curtain of Secrecy, Lies, Extortion, Murder, and Imperial Aspirations in the Shadow of a US Security Establishment that is without Public Oversight or Accountability. These are Highly Corrupted and Sophisticated Thugs and War Criminals we're dealing with operating out of our own Front Yard!

Complete Public Transparency and Accountability is the Only Answer, it is written into our Constitution already, and We the People, being "Informed", only need Demand it of our own Security Establishment and the Representatives with the Power to Govern it.

The time to demand a different kind of "Defense" is NOW.

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» suspicion confirmed Posted by: ray burchard
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delta 15
Posted by: 15delta on Sep 14, 2007 10:08 AM   
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I just wonder when the people will ALL stand up and say:
Enough of this mad man.
Why not get a straight jacket and just haul him off?
Who else can out do Sadam any better than he has?
And we just sit back and allow him to send our people out to get slaughtered and totally, and I mean totally destroy EVERYTHING that OUR country stands for?
Forget about politics, there won't be any if all goes as it is.
It is called a DICTATORSHIP.
Think about it.
Any serious suggestions?

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100 Billion Dollar War Reparation in exchange for Iraq's Peace
Posted by: channing on Sep 14, 2007 10:39 AM   
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1. Apologize to Iraq, the World, and the American People for an Unjustified War, (Restore International Laws)

2. Withdraw All our Troops from Iraq, "Not tomorrow, This Afternoon", just as Colin Powell said, (Leave all but the most dangerous Military Infrastructure, hand over the keys to the Bases, etc.,.)

3. Authorize 100 Billion Dollars in War Reparations Seed Fund to be Handed Over Upon the Establishment of a Representative and Sovereign Iraq Government Involving All Factions, (They WILL get their act together in a hurry, especially when the International Community throws their money into the ring)

4. Offer American Technical and Financial Assistance and State Department Crisis Status to encourage Iraqi-American Cultural Exchange.

Problem Solved... except for the neocons standing in the way of the most basic humanitarian common sense!!!

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If you haven't seen Syriana, rent it today.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 14, 2007 11:09 AM   
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The parallels are more and more remarkable.

The fact is, until the U.S. military bases are removed from the Middle East, the policy of this and the next US President and of Congress will remain unchanged.

The financial interests who back most members of Congress and most Presidential candidates are relying on control of Middle East energy resources over the next 20 years as the basis of their future profit margins. Their names are woefully absent from the corporate press, but behind Exxon, Chevron, Bechtel, Halliburton are the likes of Barclays UK, Fidelity, State Street, Vanguard, JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, AXA, etc. etc.

At the same time, they are making exploratory moves into controlling all future renewable energy technologies in the United States - but until they've squeezed every last penny out of the remaining global fossil fuel reserves, they'll work hard to prevent renewables from taking any of the the fossil fuel market share. Global warming is real, but they don't care - they can afford to buy the high land, after all. That's the mentality here.

I have to point out that this is not 'us versus them' - this is WE. The California Public Employee Retirement Systems is a $200 billion fund, managed by State Street, with heavy investments in both Exxon and Murdoch's NewsCorp. That's not them - that's us. Fossil fuel powered electricity is allowing me to post this, after all.

Chalmers Johnson tells the powerful story of Nemesis and Narcissus... "come along with me, I want to show you this pool of water," said Nemesis to Narcissus - "you can see your beautiful face in it..."

We have to wake up from the opiated dream of Empire - and we are going to have one hell of a hangover, I can tell you that.

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filibuster
Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 14, 2007 11:15 AM   
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If the Democrats really were to want the war to end, they would filibuster spending bills. Read these 2 articles:

Congress does not have to pass legislation to bring an end to the war in Iraq-it simply has to block passage of any bill that would continue to fund the war. This requires not 67 or 60 Senate votes, or even 51, but just 41-the number of senators needed to maintain a filibuster and prevent a bill from coming up for a vote. In other words, the Democrats have more than enough votes to end the Iraq War-if they choose to do so.

Media Misrepresent Democrats' Options on Iraq War
FAIR
Thursday 13 September 2007 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091407N.shtml

Bush 'Kicking Ass' in Congress
By Robert Parry
September 10, 2007
George W. Bush reportedly told Australia’s deputy prime minister that “we’re kicking ass” in Iraq, but the pithy tough talk may fit better with what the President is doing to the Democrats in Congress.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2007/091007.html

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DEMO-CRITICAL MASS
Posted by: Roverton on Sep 14, 2007 11:42 AM   
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The Democratic majority has betrayed the USA. They were the guardians at freedom's gate. They let the Trojan Horse roll right on in.

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Why We're Not Leaving Iraq
Posted by: Tim Brown on Sep 14, 2007 12:32 PM   
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Because the House of Saud and Big Oil need to protect their interests. Iraq borders Saudi Arabia. And it's full of poor Shiites. King Abdullah and his clan are wealthy Sunnis. Wealth that was accumulated by working with Big Oil to cash in privately on national resources.

Abdullah watches CNN, too. He sees what a restless majority of Shiites can do to an occupying government and he can foresee an uncomfortable future where his own restless majority, supported by Iraqi (and Iranian) Shiites, decides it's time for the House of Saud to go. When Bush said, 'We have to fight them there or we'll have to fight them over here' he may just as well have been talking about Saudi Arabia's view of their brethren in the Middle East. One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

But, oil is not the whole story of our occupation. Palast devotes a chapter of his book documenting how there were actually two plans for Iraq. Plan A, drawn up by the 'old hands' at the State Department, including Colin Powell, wanted a three day coup, pitched as a 'popular uprising' that would replace Saddam Hussein with another moustache, most probably a 'war hero' from their nine year slug-fest with Iran - a war in which US companies, blessed by those same 'old hands', supplied our then-best friend Saddam with weapons like saran, anthrax and botulism along with the usual high-tech weaponry to hold off the threat that an aggressive Shiite Iran posed to the oil sheiks. Same story, different war.

But these 'old hands' were beaten to the punch by the neo-conservatives who drew their own plans under the auspices of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Lewis Libby, Richard Perle and Zalmay Khalilzad saw Iraq as both the threat and the lynchpin to their plans for American hegemony in the 21st century. So, along with PNAC founder Bill Kristol and others in their cabal, they plotted Plan B - the complete privatization of all of Iraq's resources, 'especially the oil', calling on Bill Clinton to impose their version of a 'capitalist democracy' in Iraq. Clinton demurred on unilaterally attacking Iraq in 1998, preferring instead to keep the No Fly Zones and sanctions in place.

But the PNACers knew that their window of opportunity to get Iraq within their grasp was closing. Especially since other countries were eager to drill Iraqi oil for their own consumption. Algeria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, China, the Czech Republic, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Pakistan, Romania, Russia, South Korea, Spain, Taiwan, Tunisia, Turkey and Vietnam - all had deals in the works with Saddam since before the first Gulf War to drill on virgin oil fields in Iraq. The only thing holding them back from dropping the UN sanctions was a veto from the US. And the only claim that America could make was that Saddam had 'weapons of mass destruction'. You know, like saran, anthrax and botulism.

But that window suddenly opened wider when Bush and Cheney occupied the White House after the 2000 Presidential campaign. Many of the PNACers took over positions of power within the new administration and immediately began plotting the overthrow of Hussein and the distribution of Iraq's resources. That map you see of Iraqi oil fields, provided courtesy of a Freedom of Information Act request, was actually on the table during those secret energy meetings that Cheney conducted in early 2001. We added the lines to show the No Fly Zones so you can get an idea of what was off limits to Hussein and the rest of the world during the sanctions - all those blocks of virgin oil land that everybody wanted. (See Part II for the rest)

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BUSHBOY'S BIG SUCCESS!
Posted by: Patriot76 on Sep 14, 2007 3:58 PM   
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Democracy in Iraq -- what BUSH$HIT! Those folks are authoritarian to the core. Saddam is their past & future, with the American killing grounds in between. Here's a photograph of Bushboy thinking up his new slogan for Iraq: http://wwwthepartyofthewidestance.blogspot.com/

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BUSH PSYCHIATRIC PROFILE NEEDED
Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 14, 2007 4:12 PM   
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I am interested in mental health among presidents.

We need to revise the 25th amendement to allow for an objective declaration of the physical and mental fitness of presidents?

Why are we so fearful to explore this topic?

I guess it is because psychiatry can be abused since it is less objective than other medical sciences. And also "mentally ill" presidents have been among our best -e.g.- Lincoln's depressions

Also for years I've believed the DoD should hire many more sociologists and cultural anthropologists before they or the White House decides to take an action in a country or region they know little about except the amout of oil in the ground?

But alas, Generals and Presidents with few exceptions, are not prone to embrace the so called "soft sciences"

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton, Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Our experience with Iraq-Part 1
Posted by: Maryanne on Sep 14, 2007 6:11 PM   
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Reading progressive sources and listening to the MSM, one wonders if we are all in the same world.

As a very young and unworldly adolescent decades ago, satiated with historic novels full of swash and buckle and glorious war (where the heroine soothed the fevered brow of the wounded soldier, earning eternal gratitude) -violence was made to appear romantic and was sanitized. A relative who had served in the Pacific theater in WWII, overheard, and remarked that unless I had experienced war itself, I was in no position to expound on it. I took this to heart. Would that our president, vice president and the neo-coms, none of whom served in a war zone, but who pushed for war, been chided as I we might not be where we are today.

Despite all the commentaries, the situation in Iraq is quite simple

1. We should never have invaded. Iraq was weak after losing the Gulf War and years of sanctions; we had the support of the world after 9-11, and we do have powerful weapons should they have invaded.

2. 9-11 was just the catalyst to invade. The fact that all the warning was ignored by this government indicate that it may have been looking for an excuse for this invasion.

3. Other countries had their 9-11s- Spain, England, Indonesia. They treated this like the criminal activity this was. Sought out the perpetrators, tried them and - did not start a war because of it

4. The plan was already in effect to invade Iraq- proof: the Project for a New American Century and the Downing Street Memo, which existed prior to 9-11.

5. The goal was to access Oil. (Evidence: the Downing Street Memo and the evidence that the only facility protected after reaching Baghdad was the oil ministry, and the pressure now on the Iraqis to pass the hydrocarbon law, which would give away their most valuable resource to foreign (read primarily US) interests. In doing so, it allowed the looting and desctruction of precious archeological artifacts from the beginning of civilization. To a lesser extent the US wanted to dominate and control.

6. The soubriquet given to this invasion, Iraqi Freedom, is a scam. 40% of the middle class have fled the country, there are approximately 2 million Iraqi refugees in Syria and surrounding Arab countries, without jobs, income or security, affecting thse countires economically as they try to absorb these dependents. Another 2 million are reportedly refugees in their own country, again without any security, either physical or economic. More than a half million Iraqis dead , including children. How many disabled and helpless? How many women without anyone to care for them and without any future? How many suffering because of contaminated water, lack of electricity, and shortage of food? How many fear to leave their homes for fear of death, dismemberment, kidnapping ,etc? How many children being denied education because they too fear to leave home? Even homes are not safe, as doors are being kicked in, bombs falling. Then there is the tragedy of Abu Graib. All this is reaching the levels of genocide. Who is enjoying the "Freedom" that is being bestowed upon them? Not the ordinary Iraqis. (All our media talks about is the loss of our soldiers- this is tragic, but the Iraqis are also tragic.)

7. The result of our invasion- sectarian strife: The Shias are revenging themselves on the Sunnis who had held power and oppressed them. The Sunnis, for all practical purposes disenfranchized, are trying to regain some of the authority they had had. Our role in this? We had armed the Shias and learning that they were using this against the Sunnis, then began arming the Sunnis! (As if there is not tons of ammunition that we failed to secure when we first invaded).

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Iraq Experience - Part 2
Posted by: Maryanne on Sep 14, 2007 6:12 PM   
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8. Further result of invasion- civil war between nationalists and separatists. Information indicates that Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis join together in wanting one state with a strong central governemtn, nationalized oil and resources; that other Kurds Shias and Sunnis prefer federalism with a weak central government and privatization of resources. Our military successes (?) cannot resolve this disparity. And we have no business taking sides, as we are doing by supporting the failing Maliki goverment which favors privatization.

9. We will "step down when they step up". Another scam. When you have a country so divided, it will take years of their thrashing out their differences to come to some accord. By our staying there indifinitely, (and furthermore calling them "ragheads") we are colonialists, assuming that this country, once the cradle of civilization, is so incompetant that they cannot work things out for themselves. Or that they might work things our that do not benefit our military-industrial complex and our own already wealthy, grasping corporations.

10 The decision whether we stay or leave should be based on what the MAJORITY of the Iraqis want. For the past year + and in several venues the majority of Iraqis have stated they want us out, that our presence exascerbates their problems and inability to come to grips with them.

11. So we should leave, as expeditiously as possible. Our troops, our contractors, our airforce, our companies who had proven themselves so incapable of "reconstructing" the damage we had done. And our huge staff, equally incompetant and inexperienced. We should immediately begin to provide humanitarian aid through some responsible agency (not US), and begin diplomatic talks with all the countries in the region- including Iran (who had helped us in Aghanistan, only to be rewarded by being called part of the Axis of Evil), Syria, (which has absorbed so many refugees that it may be at the breaking point), Pakistan and Turkey (who are both alredy being sucked into this vortex), etc.

11. What have we gained by giving Iraqis the "Freedom" they never asked for? We have also gained the same "Freedom". Our Constitution and Bill of Rights are gutted, our reputation around the world has been tarnished, our moral authority is non- existent. We are now no different than those countries that we have criticised. And our governement is now a source of ridicule throughout the world. The costs of this war have indebted us for years to come, and drained us of resources we need for our own citizens. As well we have a shattered military, and many grieving families, many veterans physically, mentally, or emotionally damaged who will need care. They, too, are enjoying 'freedom"

All this seems simple and clear. Cannot our Congress, our media, our government officials not see this?

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