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War on Iraq

The Battle for Iraq is About Oil and Democracy, Not Religion!

By Joshua Holland and Raed Jarrar, AlterNet. Posted September 10, 2007.


As Gen. Petraeus takes the D.C. stage, he and the media are only giving half of the story. Shockingly, the United States, Iran and al Qaeda have the same goals in Iraq.
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This week, we'll be buried under a crush of analysis about an Iraq that's being ravaged by a religious civil war -- an incomprehensible war between "militants" of various stripes and "the Iraqi people." But Americans will be poorly served by the media's singular focus on Iraq's "sectarian violence." It obscures the fact that sectarian fighting is a symptom -- a street-level manifestation -- of a massive political conflict over what kind of country Iraq will be, who will rule it and who will control its enormous oil wealth.

And it obscures the great irony of the American project: that in that defining conflict over the future of the country, the Bush administration, with the support of Congress, has taken the same side as Iran's hardliners and the same side as the Sunni fundamentalist group called al Qaeda in Iraq. All are working -- separately, but towards the same ends -- against the wishes of a majority of Iraqis, who polls show want a united, sovereign country in control of its own resources and free of meddling by Washington, Tehran and other foreigners.

Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died violent deaths since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, many of them as a result of the civil conflicts that have pitted Iraqi against Iraqi. But those conflicts have nothing to do with the differences that distinguish the different branches of Islam -- Iraq isn't struggling with a religious civil war.

Iraqis are fighting over fundamental questions about the future of their country. They're fighting over whether it will have a strong central government or be a weak confederation of semiautonomous states, over how soon and to what degree it will be independent of foreign influence, over who will control its massive energy reserves and under what terms they will be developed -- all of these things are tangible, concrete issues that are crucial in determining Iraq's future.

We refer to this central political conflict as one between Iraqi separatists and nationalists. Loosely speaking, separatists favor a "soft partition" of Iraq into at least three zones with strong regional governments, similar to the semiautonomous Kurdish "state" in Northern Iraq; they are at least willing to tolerate foreign influence -- meaning Iranian, U.S. or other powers' influence, depending on which group one is discussing -- for the foreseeable future; they favor privatizing Iraq's massive energy reserves and ceding substantial control of the country's oil sector to regional authorities.

Nationalists are just the opposite: They reject any foreign interference in Iraq's affairs, they favor a strong technocratic central government in Baghdad that's not based on sectarian voting blocs and they oppose privatizing Iraq's oil and natural gas reserves on the extraordinarily generous terms (to the oil companies) proposed by the U.S. government and institutions like the IMF. They favor centralized control over the development of Iraq's oil and gas reserves.

That's not to say that ethic and sectarian violence isn't real, or isn't a significant problem in Iraq. The point is that violence based on religious or ethnic identity -- Shiite or Sunni or Christian, Arab or Turkman or Kurd -- is an extension of these fundamental disputes over what the future of Iraq will hold.

Sectarian and political tensions overlap in a fluid, shifting dynamic. The Iraqi parliament began as an institution of largely sectarian coalitions, but over the past two years, as the occupation has continued to grind on, sectarian-based politics have become overshadowed by divisions between nationalists and separatists. The result of the media's singular focus on sectarian conflict is that most Americans are unable to grasp the changing terrain of Iraq's political landscape with anything approaching a sense of the context in which events occur.

Consider a recent development of some significance. At the end of August, five Iraqi parties -- representing Sunni and Shiite Arabs and Kurds -- signed a "unity accord" or a "five-party manifesto" that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki claimed was a sign of new movement towards national reconciliation. The White House said it was "an important symbol of unity in Iraq," and congratulated "Iraq's leaders on the important agreement." A spokesman for the Iranian government called it "productive and positive." The truth, however, was that it was an agreement among parties that had long agreed -- among five Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish separatist parties that had been loosely allied since at least 2000, when all belonged to the London-based Iraqi exile group called the "Independent Iraqi Democrats." All five parties were strategic allies in the 2002 "London Conference," preparing and justifying a U.S.-led invasion. The five parties have long supported al-Maliki's regime. In fact, they are al-Maliki's regime, but the commercial media never took note of that fact.


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Joshua Holland is an AlterNet staff writer. Raed Jarrar is Iraq consultant to the American Friends Service Committee. He blogs at Raed in the Middle.

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Pandora's Box
Posted by: vox persona on Sep 10, 2007 1:34 AM   
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Bush really did it this time, our Decider-in-Chief and king of fierce continents unleashed the furies described in detail in Chapter 9 of Revelation. Ignoring sound advice, the history of the region, and the rival factions in play, Junior marched us straight into a hornets' nest quagmire armed with a tennis racket. A snake pit is only dangerous if you willingly jump in it. W saw his Dad invade Panama, pluck out Noriega and stick him in one of our jails, and decided he wanted one of those under his belt. And he dares to compare it to our presence in Europe after WWII.....what?!? He marched us into Muslim Holy Land, and called it a 'last resort' when he didn't even try anything else. He sold his war like so much soap, keeps the fear mongering at a fever pitch and then tells us that we will understand in 40 years. By toppling Hussein, who we once armed and looked the other way as he suppressed his nation, Bush destroyed the delicate political ecosystem that held Iran in check....another country we once had under our thumb. Now we defacto chose sides by giving Iran over to "democracy" (read that mob rule), where 'one man one vote' translates to minority suppression, even ethnic cleansing. I love democracy as much as the next person, but it must first come from within, not at the point of a gun. What if their democracy elects an Osama Bin Laden, what then? Do we invade again, and keep invading until we approve of a US puppet? Surprise, surprise. General Betray-us says we need another year and a half to let progress take place, let's just kick the can as far down the road as far as possible, Bush won't have to deal with the mess he made. Make no mistake, this is a war brought to you by BushCo, which not only ignores Ike's warning to 'beware the military industrial complex', but he handed the keys over to them. What hath Bush wrought?
Welcome to the 21st century.

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» RE: Pandora's Box Posted by: vox persona
» Its not Bush Posted by: xi_people
» Temp Lackys Posted by: Aramis
It's all about oil, stupid!
Posted by: JayMagoo on Sep 10, 2007 3:35 AM   
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No matter how you slice it and dice it, it's all about how and when we can steal Iraq's oil. Despite all of Bush's inarticulate mumbling about democracy, despite all of Cheney's ill-tempered and greed-inspired rumblings about various weapons and schemes by the followers of bin Laden, despite all of Rice's and various other official liars' falsehoods to justify our larceny, it all boils down to this -- Bush and company covet Iraq's petroleum, and the Iraqis don't want to let them have it.
America, the most noble experiment in Democracy in history is being perverted and misused by the sleezy little grasping minds of Bush and Cheney to simply and blatantly steal the resources of another country. It's a disgrace!

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» RE: It's all about oil, stupid! Posted by: richholland
» its not just oil Posted by: jingles
» RE: its not just oil Posted by: richholland
» RE: its not just oil Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
» RE: its not just oil Posted by: donl51
» RE: its not just oil Posted by: symcokid
Why we fight......
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Sep 10, 2007 5:04 AM   
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We're told that we fight for freedom, for democracy, for security, for prosperity, for......who knows what else.

But, the reality is just the opposite. Wars give the politicians more and more power - and we have less freedom, less democracy, less security and less prosperity.....every single time.

The article is spot on - we fight for the power and profits of just a few at the top of our society. Dennis Kucinich has been speaking out on this for some time too...and I hope more and more will start listening.

Some good follow up reading if you're interested:

"Revealed: Why Your Sons and Daughters Died in Iraq" - click here

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» Yep. (nm) Posted by: justaguy
Democracy.
Posted by: Paxmana1 on Sep 10, 2007 5:29 AM   
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Which country has democracy?. Its all plutocracy in the western world .. Who the hell do people think they are if they allow themselves to be bamboozled by Genocidal creeps with all this talk of what amounts to Freedummy and Democrappy.

A million Iraqi's slaughtered .. Palestinian Children slaughtered and the people herded into Gulags where the monsters can control them easier and allow the theft of their ancestral lands .. the whole middle east is aflame .. who is to blame? ..

These maniacs are now actively pursuing Nuclear War with Iran .. a country that does not yet have the capability to produce a Nuclear weapon and even if they did .. they understand the Cold War Doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction or MAD as its acronym. The Iranians were civilised whilst we still ran around dressed in wolf skins and carrying clubs.

The rest of the world understands who it is that controls the white house and the military .. a bunch of nutters who have the gall to state that they were chosen by God .. all of the unrest in the middle east was deliberately fostered.

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» RE: Democracy. Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: Democracy. Posted by: donl51
Keeping it in the ground
Posted by: mbrock on Sep 10, 2007 5:34 AM   
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Attacking Iraq had nothing to do with "getting their oil." We attacked Iraq to keep their oil in the ground... to keep the old regime from increasing their production and crippling the American oil business by producing oil at a price with which we could not compete.
The simple reason for nearly every Bush decision made regarding the middle east is simple: Turmoil inflates the price of crude oil and the Americans who produce about 5 million barrels a day of crude on American soil profiit from it. In 1998 the price of oil was 1/6th what it is today. American oil producers (including Western Kansas farmers with a well or two on the north 40) are cashing in on the fact that a country with the second or third largest proven oil reserves in the world has been put out of the oil business. It adds up to about a billion dollars every three days JUST FROM SELLING OIL!

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» RE: Keeping it in the ground Posted by: leafsong1
This shouldn't surprise anyone
Posted by: adh on Sep 10, 2007 6:49 AM   
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Just-so stories about "clashes of civilizations" and ideological struggles have always been used by ruling classes to confuse debate and pacify the population, or incite tribalistic anger. If enough people at any one time knew why things were happening and the stakes involved, the whole system would be in serious trouble.

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GRANTED IT'S ALL COMPLICATED, WELL SOME OF IT ANYWAY
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 10, 2007 6:58 AM   
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OK, maybe I'm too dumb to comprehend the complexities in Iraq, but some things are simple. 1-The same military cannot fight on indefinitely. 2-At some point relief troops are needed. 3-That means a military draft. 4-I don't like it either. 4-They'll be needed for Iran anyway The time to listen to the smart people has come and gone and Bush chose to ignore every bit of good advise he got from the beginning. I guess we need more troops to support. Thanks George. ANNA

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MARKEY APPALLED AT UNPRECEDENTED AIR FORCE NUKE LOSS
Posted by: warrior woman on Sep 10, 2007 7:46 AM   
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CHeck this out. WHat's behind this???

SEPT. 5, 2007 - MARKEY APPALLED AT UNPRECEDENTED AIR FORCE NUKE LOSS http://markey.house.gov/index.php?option=
content&task=view&id=3064&Itemid=125


WASHINGTON, D.C. – Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA), a senior member of the House Homeland Security Committee and the co-chair of the House Bipartisan Task Force on Non-Proliferation, expressed outrage today at reports that the Air Force mistakenly loaded five nuclear warheads on a B52 bomber for a cross-country flight. The warheads should have been removed from the Advanced Cruise Missiles before they were transported to their decommissioning site. According to reports, no one in the Air Force, including the B52 pilots, knew the whereabouts of the warheads until the bomber landed over three hours later.

“Nuclear weapons are the most sensitive and dangerous items that exist in the world. It is absolutely inexcusable that the Air Force lost track of these five nuclear warheads, even for a short period of time,” said Rep. Markey
“Nothing like this has ever been reported before and we have been assured for decades that it was impossible. The complete breakdown of the Air Force command and control over enough nuclear weapons to destroy several cities has frightening implications not only for the Air Force, but for the security of our entire nuclear weapons stockpile.
“This frightening incident highlights that the Bush administration’s plan to design and build a new arsenal of nuclear warheads is dangerous, especially when we can’t keep track of the warheads we already have. We should put the breaks on the President’s program for new nuclear weapons, and solve the daunting challenges posed by those weapons we already own,” concluded Markey.


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 5, 2007 CONTACT: Jessica Schafer, 202.225.2836


U.S. Air Force Statement on B-52 Nuclear Incident at Minot
Lt Col Edward Thomas http://www.fas.org/blog/ssp/united_states/usaf090607.pdf
Chief, Current Operations
Air Force Public Affairs
September 6, 2007
[Reproduced by Hans M. Kristensen, Federation of American Scientists.
Obtained from USAF Public Affairs, September 6, 2007]

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The Battle for Iraq
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Sep 10, 2007 8:01 AM   
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is about OIL and EMPIRE, which cannot tolerate any real democracy, but will maintain a phony front regime to gull the people into false hopes while they strip their country of its natural resources.

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Death count
Posted by: duck-lady on Sep 10, 2007 8:43 AM   
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Tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died violent deaths since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003, many of them as a result of the civil conflicts that have pitted Iraqi against Iraqi.

Please stop perpetuating the myth of the low death count. The British medical journal, Lancet, has published an estimate of 655,000 "excess deaths" since the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. Unlike other estimates from the U.S. and Iraq, this is the only one that used the very reliable statistical method called cluster sampling to produce the estimates. This technique is widely used in war zones and is only being ignored this time because we are the cause of the deaths. If you had read the research you would know that the great majority of the deaths are substantiated with death certificates.

Please stop letting the conservatives frame all the issues. The Iraqi death toll is obscenely high. Let's not be afraid to report that.

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» We are careful about such things ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
nothin is what it appears to be
Posted by: solrev on Sep 10, 2007 9:01 AM   
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It seems that the military and government did learn something from Viet Nam. If they had seen the Vietnamese as nationalists in place of communists, they may have fought the war differently. They learned in retrospect that one could not defeat nationalists on their home turf. The policy in Iraq from day one has been segregation and the promotion of sectarian violence, divide and conquer. We are taking the side of the separatists because that is the only way we can beat the nationalists. Our best ally in Iraq is al Qaeda. The Iraqi people are as usual caught in the middle of the power struggle. The struggle goes far beyond some factions fighting for oil or the hegemony of dollar-oil. God will not let the Iraqi people lose because they have a greater purpose to fulfill in the creation. A united Iraq is the beginning of a united Islam and a united Islam is the beginning of the Trinity. Where else could it happen but in the cradle of civilization, It is like being caught in a time vortex and we can not escape the beginning. Mourn for the Iraqi who die but remember it is written that those who are persecuted in the name of God are blessed. Being killed by a suicide bomb or a smart bomb qualifies one for the blessing, because they were killed in the name of God.

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» Divide & conquer Posted by: Slmncty
A few observations
Posted by: sausage on Sep 10, 2007 9:38 AM   
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First of all, the above essay is one of the best, most succint commentaries on where we, meaning the retarded giant, belligerent known as the USA, are at this time in Iraq. Kudos to Joshua and Raed.

That the war against the late Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein, and subsequent and continuing occupation, was a grab for the country's oil wealth should have been obvious to all. It was plain as the nose on George W. Bush's face the day American forces enter downtown Baghdad and occupied the oil minestry building. Meanwhile letting 7,000 years of Mesopotamian, not to mention the roots of Western, civilization go out the front door of the Iraq National Museum in looters' hands with Donald Rumsfeld shrugging it off as "stuff happens" and "what free people do."

And I always thought it curious that we, meaning the belligerent, retarded giant that is the USA, labeled Muqtada al-Sadr an outlaw even though the Sadr family were opponents of Saddam. But this essay makes clear what was not made clear in 2003: Muqtada al-Sadr as a nationalist would never agree to the privatization of Iraq's oil industry. And all along I have said that in George W. Bush's eyes, and that of his major corporate backers, Saddam Hussein's crime was not allowing the privatzation of the Iraqi oil industry by the IMF and World Bank.

Certainly privatizing Iraq's petroleum industry would benefit the late Iraqi dictator's Persian Gulf creditors and Western oil companies. But it would not stem violence aimed at the central government or Americans in Iraq, the recent history of Nigeria and its oil war tells us this.

The retarded giant which is the USA should take a clue from our oldest and closest puppets, the government of Mexico. Since the 1980s the Mexican government has gone on a privatization spree. Dictator Porfirio Diaz was overthrown because he, for all practical purposes, was gving Mexico away to America corporate interests. Now ownership of Mexican industries by American corporations at almost back to pre-revolution levels. Except Pemex, the Mexican state-owned oil industry. The puppet presidents of Mexico know that if Pemex is ever privatized there will be a new revolution.

But yet the retarded giant, USA, insists on continuing down the privatization road in Iraq.

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Just the Beginning
Posted by: underwaterexplosions on Sep 10, 2007 9:53 AM   
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This is just the jumpoff. Think about it this way. The American military would grind to a standstill without oil. The ships, planes, tanks all run on gasoline of some sort and are lubricated with oil. There is no way that any of these death machines will be converted to solar energy. The domination cannot continue without a massive amount of oil and gas. China looms as the last big one and whoever has the oil wins. It's as simple as that. Expect this "war" to continue, under whatever name they want to trot out to us, for a very long time. After Iran, it's Saudi Arabia folks.

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» RE: Just the Beginning Posted by: xi_people
» RE: Just the Beginning Posted by: donl51
Much more than "Oil and Democracy"
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Sep 10, 2007 10:17 AM   
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This was a good article but it failed to examine one, if not THE, reason for the conquest of Iraq. It goes without saying that the oil beneath the sands of Iraq is a rich spoil of war but the military infrastructure we have built above the sands will prove to be more valuable in the long-term. The game being played by the world's powers is far from over. The US position in the Middle East is now more entrenched than ever and the new paradigm set by the Iraq war has shifted the worldwide geopolitical dynamic in favor of US imperialism.

Articles like this are why I come to Alternet. Thanks for the good read.

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It's about exponential population explosion!
Posted by: mmqc on Sep 10, 2007 10:24 AM   
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The exponential population explosion is what drives the "need" for oil, and things will only get worse and much faster than in the past - not to mention climate deterioration! We should be tackling the underlying problem of population control rather than trying to "fix" the symptoms.

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how do you morons intend to stop Bush
Posted by: PakiBoy on Sep 10, 2007 10:26 AM   
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from launching a war against Iran when you get hoodwinked by His-majesty's court general Petraeus?

US will attack Iran 'cause your intellectual Chomsky says so:
"Yes, I was quite sceptical. Less so over the years. They're desperate. Everything they touch is in ruins. They're even in danger of losing control over Middle Eastern oil -- to China, the topic that's rarely discussed but is on every planner or corporation exec's mind, if they're sane. Iran already has observer status at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization -- from which the US was pointedly excluded. Chinese trade with Saudi Arabia, even military sales, is growing fast. With the Bush administration in danger of losing Shiite Iraq, where most of the oil is (and most Saudi oil in regions with a harshly oppressed Shiite population), they may be in real trouble.

Under these circumstances, they're unpredictable. They might go for broke, and hope they can salvage something from the wreckage. If they do bomb, I suspect it will be accompanied by a ground assault in Khuzestan, near the Gulf, where the oil is (and an Arab population -- there already is an Ahwazi liberation front, probably organized by the CIA, which the US can "defend" from the evil Persians), and then they can bomb the rest of the country to rubble. And show who's boss."

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tractor-trailed loaded with dynamite explodes on Mexico's highway
Posted by: eosrk on Sep 10, 2007 10:34 AM   
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..killing 34 people.....
USA, this is what's going to be part of the new norm in the new Third World!

www.yahoo.com

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» Still with the KKK? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Shrill arguments from 1968 Posted by: CatDad
That report, if accurate,
Posted by: Constitutionalist75 on Sep 10, 2007 1:08 PM   
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exposes the vulnerability of the Mexican border.

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» RE: That report, if accurate, Posted by: Joshua Holland
Twisted Religion Underestimated
Posted by: herbal on Sep 10, 2007 1:21 PM   
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Certainly Oil is a motivating factor in the Iran chaos. Democracy, however, is relative and a propaganda shill for pursuing other goals. Holland and Harrar underestimate the role of religion because of the spin, or rather the twisting of the common understanding about what religious players are at work and the role of Israel, whether seen as a secular state or theocracy.
For peace activists there is no more urgent issue than AIPAC to understand better, the role of religion in the perpetuation of this war, the pro-war lobby.

See these:

1) Hillary addressing AIPAC (3 min.):

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVWagtd8uwM&mode=related&search=

Hillary's "No options left on the table..." nuclear threat.

2) Then consider the company she keeps at AIPAC:
Rev. Hagee the self-described Christian Zionist. rapture cultist: www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDRxmqOn7x4&mode=related&search=

3) www.beyondiraq.com "Dr. Mike Evans" site for the AIPAC, Christian Zionism, 'Rapture' Iraq bloody propaganda.

All this is ignored by the mainstream and alternative media, partly because of the sensitivity of being called anti-semitic (see Rabbi Lerner below).

The impasse in Israel is the underlying cause of the Iraq invasion and the push to bomb Iran. Our best hope is to support the movement among American and Israeli Jewish peace activists for comprehensive and lasting results.

"The Israel Lobby (excerpt from Tikkun newsletter)
"In this Issue Tikkun Editor Rabbi Michael Lerner responds to the recent publication of The Israel Lobby by John Walt and Stephen Mearsheimer by giving an in-depth analysis of one of the most important issues in U.S. politics today: The power of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) to control the relationship between the United States and Israel.

"He comes to one conclusion: AIPAC is bad for the Jews, bad for the U.S., and bad for the world and he tells why.
This is not only a Jewish issue. Lerner presents ideas for how the Network of Spiritual Progressives can become the interfaith alternative to the Israel Lobby and shows that it can only do so with the help of non-Jews as well as Jews.

"Walt and Mearsheimer will be speaking at a series of Tikkun forums. The first will be held September 19th in Berkeley, California at 2345 Channing Way at 7:00 p.m. (reservations through Cody's bookstore)."

Editorial comment: Will US foreign policy continue to be directed by AIPAC under Hillary Clinton? All the candidates need to be asked if they have accepted donations from foreign agencies and lobbies like AIPAC. It is time to join with the Jewish peace activists here and in Israel, and not fear the Lukid zionist backlash of AIPAC. Israelis are deeply divided over war and peace issues; we simply don't get their news past the US corporate media censors.

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bushclintonbushclinton
Posted by: solrev on Sep 10, 2007 1:21 PM   
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bush clin ton bush clin ton
People get ready there's a train a comin
I hear the train a comin' it's rolling round the bend
So bye-bye, miss American pie
The battle for Iraq is for a lot more than oil and you are expendable.

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The Points in this Article Are Critical to Understanding Iraq Today
Posted by: umrayya on Sep 10, 2007 1:56 PM   
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Ra'ed and Joshua, thank you so much for this and the other articles you have published here. It brings a critical insight to what is really going on and what is really important to understand about today's situation in Iraq, and it is entirely consistent with Iraq's social and political history. I wish you would do more of these joint articles. Ra'ed offers a voice and a set of insights that are very difficult to come by.

The story that Iraq's history is one of centuries of deep-seated ethno-sectarian conflict, and that therefore Iraq's fracture into three warring groups was an inevitable result of the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime has no basis in reality. The claim that Iraq is an inherently non-viable entity consisting of three distinct geo-ethno-sectarian bodies who have detested and slaughtered each other for centuries, and that the nation was only held together by the iron fist of Saddam is a falsehood that by incessant repetition over at least a decade, has become "received truth". To challenge this "received truth" one could begin by asking how Iraq managed to not only hold together but become well known for its people's strong sense of national identity during the half century or so of statehood that constitutes most of its history before Saddam's iron fist supposedly started holding it together.

This is an interesting question particularly because compared to the relatively politically stable years of Saddam's rule the earlier decades were a period of great political instability and regular upheaval, and yet Iraq did not show any signs of flying apart along geo-ethno-sectarian or any other lines. On the contrary, as Iraq historian Reidar Visser shows in his book,
Basra, the Failed Gulf State: Separatism and Nationalism in Southern Iraq, an early attempt by Iraqis at separatism was not based on ethno-sectarian considerations at all, but on political and economic ones. Furthermore, as Visser shows, Iraqi nationalism ultimately prevailed.

This is much too large a subject to address in any real detail here. I strongly recommend taking a good look at Visser's site, and some of the articles he has written. It will open some eyes to an Iraqi reality that very few Americans have any idea of.

It is also worth considering that the original issues that led to the creation of the Shi'ite sect were not over issues of religious doctrine or practice, but over politics. To be specific it was over who should succeed Mohammad as leader of the Muslims.

I will end this comment by pointing out that, rather than being some kind of uncharacteristic anomaly as it was presented in the media, Iraqis' reaction to their soccer team's victory in the Asia Cup was a true reflection of their natural feeling of nationalism and national pride. That win engendered enormous joy and pride in Iraqis of all kinds, everywhere, including in Kurdistan, where a number of Kurds were arrested for waving the Iraqi flag. (Oh yes, did you know that the separatist "government" of Kurdistan has made it a crime to display the Iraqi flag?)

Iraqis' natural habit and inclination is not toward division, but toward nationalism. The polls referred to by Ra'ed and Joshua illustrate that, as does the reaction to the soccer victory. It has taken years of unrelenting pressure from some very powerful forces to gradually drive Iraqis into this state of conflict. It should be obvious that the longer the United States stays in Iraq the more difficult it will become for Iraqis to repair their nation and their society.

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» RE: The Points in this Article... Posted by: woody, tokin' librul
Some Un-Fuzzy Math
Posted by: dajson on Sep 10, 2007 3:32 PM   
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Seems like the math proving the surge is working is very similar to the same math proving "No Child Left Behind" is working as long as we don't count High School drop-outs. With all the scewing of statistics aside I don't think this math is beyond whatever class Bush got C's in while attending Yale. The surge has no doubt caused the bloodiest Summer of the war on both sides. Now we've tried addition so let's apply that other form of math, oh.....what's it called...oh ya, subtraction. I predict if we reduce our troop presence in Iraq then the violence and death of Americans and Iraqis should go down. Looks like from this article that Basra has already proved this. Makes sense, do the math. Unlike the pResident, I usually got an A, and never never got below a B in math.

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DIGG IT!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 10, 2007 3:48 PM   
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Now, this is the kind of thing that every person in the US needs to read. The very fact that such major issues can go unremarked on by the corporate press as well as by leading members of Congress, Presidential candidates and government officials should itself be a serious wake-up call to U.S. citizens.

Meanwhile, just for comparison, 'reputable news sources' like AP continue to run statements like this:

"Bush not only wanted to rid Iraq of weapons of mass destruction and overthrow a brutal dictator but to create a shining pro-Western democracy in the heart of the Arab world."

Ah - Bush deliberately lied about WMDs, and went in to set up a puppet client state that would give control of the oil, water and electricity to his and Cheney's cronies at Halliburton, Exxon, Chevron, BP, and Shell, to name a few.

The AP sums things up like this:
"Michael O'Hanlon, a Brookings Institution military analyst who has criticized the administration's post-invasion tactics but who saw signs of military progress during a recent tour of Iraq, cites "momentum that I think is real."

The Brookings Institute is also the home of Kenneth Pollack, the author of the NYT-Bestselling "Threatening Storm" put put by Random House in 2002 - the ideological basis of the Bush -Cheney invasion, quoted extensively, cheered endlessly, and total rubbish - slick pro-war propaganda with 'definitive proof' of Iraqi WMDs, etc. (He removed that book from his 'selected publications', and now its on to:"

"The Threat from Iran," Pollack Testimony before the House Armed Services Committee (9/29/05)

There are endless examples of corporate media malfeasance - the whole corporate media business is just rotten propaganda written by smirking liars.

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So what IS US policy? Really?
Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 10, 2007 4:05 PM   
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NOTICE in the article

The U.S. military it launched airstrikes against local police buildings ≠ Shiite nationalists.

Hence the US policy is as per Bilderberg Vienna 1979, a Balkanization of sorts. They, in their minds, want an Iraq weak enough or not coherent enough, but not so weak as to be a failed state harbouring radicals with impunity, and still capable of having an infrastructure that can deliver the oil.

"Bombing police buildings" show they are supporting the separatist over the nationalist.
Look and learn all those who dear to deride the Conspiracy Facts and the subterfuging fig leaf covers of the Conspirators.. At best it is a case of diverging or conflicting objectives.

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Benchmark about which no one can talk.
Posted by: Christie on Sep 10, 2007 7:22 PM   
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Is this the real motivation of Cheney/ Bush? Please read about the hydrocarbon law and ask if that is the benchmark about which no one can talk.

The benchmark that requires the Iraqi government to pass the hydrocarbon law puts control of all untapped Iraqi oil reserves into the hands of multinational oil companies. These companies would receive 80 percent of the revenue, the Iraqis 20 percent under what's called a production sharing agreement. These agreements are binding typically for 25 to 40 years. They're likely having a difficult time figuring out how to divvy up the spoils of their oil reserves and explain to their constituencies why they gave away the lion's share of their oil wealth.

All the administration*s and Congressmen*s talk about our prematurely leaving Iraq to sectarian civil war and violence has, in my opinion, little to do with democracy or humanitarian concerns and everything to do with who eventually gets to control the OIL. That is the true *Operation Iraqi Liberation*  as it was originally called. It seems to me that the administration*s desired benchmark that has not been met but cannot be openly talked about is having the Iraqi parliament pass the hydrocarbon law that requires them to give away most of their oil. On Iraqi politician said, way back in May, "We're afraid the U.S. will make us pass this new oil law through intimidation and threatening. We don't want it to pass, and we know it'll make things worse, but we're afraid to rise up and block it, because we don't want to be bombed and arrested the next day." (Quotation from an Alternet article on Iraq)

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Religions
Posted by: Dboy on Sep 10, 2007 7:38 PM   
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Religions are created by a people as an expression of their values, fears, ideals, culture, explanations of reality, and most of all, as a mirror of themselves. Wars are a way to create massive change effecting entire societies or the entire planet. Therefore this war has everything to do with religion. Democracy as absolutely nothing to do with this war. In fact, most of the wars, and most of the financial support the US has been involved in since WWII has been to support monarchies and dictatorships. America does not place any value on Islam, but wants to destroy it and replace it with christianity. Christians are a vile people, and this war is an expression of christian values at work.


dboy

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» RE: eligions Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: eligions Posted by: Dboy
Western Hubris
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 10, 2007 8:00 PM   
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Iraq was created by the French and British based on the Sykes-Picot Agreement in 1920. Initially, a monarchy was installed. Allmost from the beginning, the Kurds in the North were fighting for their own state. While I agree with this article that the degree to which violence is primarily sectarian has been overstated. But, you have to know how Iraqi's and Arabs think a bit if you want to understand them. A strong basis for identity, especially for Iraqi men, rests in what Western sociologists would call a "clan." This grouping is based primarily not only on religious and political identification, but, it is held together by many shared beliefs, experiences, mutual economic dependency, and intermarriage ties across its extended boundaries. Now, these groupings are interested in pursuing their own agendas. Ideas of a "nation-state," such as what "Iraq" was, and the desire to hold its boundaries together, are Western based primarily and foreign to many Iraqi's themselves. Western liberals are fearful that when they expound for the USA to leave Iraq, they are also expounding for a collapse into chaos for the people of Iraq. Hence, they want to "invent" Iraqi nationalism and identity. But, you cannot invent what never existed in the first place. When the USA leaves, the degree to which chaos and violence ensues will be up to the Iraqi's themselves. If they want separate countries, or a separate Kurdish state, or they want to be absorbed into other countries, this should be up to them. It's just hubris for the West to assume they have all the answers.

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» What the People Want Posted by: sofla100
» RE: What the People Want Posted by: umrayya
Bushboy & Lackey Petraeus
Posted by: Patriot76 on Sep 10, 2007 8:48 PM   
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Here's a photograph of Bushboy giving Lackey Petraeus his orders: http://wwwthepartyofthewidestance.blogspot.com/

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Amen to that!
Posted by: kwalla on Sep 10, 2007 9:41 PM   
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nt

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Now for the Absolute Truth about Baypoint School, AIPAC and the Turkish American Council
Posted by: AMERICANPATRIOTJEFFFISHER on Sep 11, 2007 4:47 AM   
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HERE IS A NOTICE FOR ALL

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AND IT'S CONNECTION TO
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Karl Rove is gone
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Homeland Security Director
Michael Chertoff is next along
with Vice President Richard B. Cheney

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Thank you Joshua for yet another layer of deception
Posted by: leafsong1 on Sep 11, 2007 11:22 AM   
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While the author is quite right to point out that "sectarian violence" is a symptom of political conflict and not a problem in itself, he attributes this political conflict to bickering over details of what an independent Iraq might look like. This is another lie to add to the heap of lies obscuring the truth: that civil war and sectarian strife arise directly from the Iraqi political desire to END THE OCCUPATION. This is primarily a war of Iraqi patriots against American invaders and their Iraqi collaborators. The occupation is the cause, and the end of the occupation is clearly the only cure.

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RE: What the People Want? Here's A suggestion
Posted by: etisoppa on Sep 12, 2007 7:41 PM   
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My "intimate" knowledge of Iraq is only what I can gleam from articles like these in the "alternative " press. Up to say 4 years ago I use to get my news from the corporate media. And maybe up to 10 years ago I use to believe they were giving me the straight deal on the news. I feel so used now......

Any way, some time ago I made a suggestion that what Iraq really meads now is a national town meeting, held on tv radio, newspapers, where these issues are thrashed out, with the grass-roots voting and commenting using text messaging, so that everyone understands what the grassroots, the REAL people want, and what is the strength of their numbers. I think they may need this as a catharsis and for their "political leaders".

I sent my suggestion to the Iraq Foundation in Washington, to Ms Pelosi in the Congress, to Mr. Al Hanooti of FAAIR in Dearborn MI; not a reply much less a follow-up or implementaion. Now I kind of know why.

If anyone else thinks it is a good idea and want to run with it please feel free.
Do you think the ( Bush) US would oppose this?

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Battle for “War On Terror” Means, Motive & Opportunity
Posted by: Aramis on Sep 15, 2007 4:47 PM   
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“Iraqis are fighting over fundamental questions about the future of their country. They're fighting over whether it will have a strong central government or be a weak confederation…”

This was never about any kind of western style “democracy”. Not from an Iraqi standpoint and certainly not from a corporate run Big Oil western invasion standpoint.

There are some decent marginal points in this article but no cigar. Also, much of what is covered