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Hardliners Try to White-Wash Their Own Immigrant Pasts by Redefining 'Immigration'

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted June 2, 2008.


Redefining the word "immigrant" is an attempt to differentiate between those they hate and their own grandparents.

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I've encountered a new argument in my travels, both in the comments here on AlterNet and around the internet. It's perhaps best captured by the motto of the "Illegal Invasion News" blog: "IT'S NOT 'IMMIGRATION' AND THEY'RE NOT 'IMMIGRANTS.'" (This claim is often articulated in that ALL CAPS style so popular with small children and lunatics who are off their meds.)

The word "immigrant" has nothing at all to do with legal status. It means, simply, to move from one place to another for the purpose of settling down. Papers, no papers -- it's all irrelevant to the act of migrating.

The claim can be dispatched easily enough with a little elementary etymology. The word "migration" first appears in the English language in reference to humans in 1611, some 37 years before the modern nation state, with its discrete borders, came into existence. The Latin root of the verb "to immigrate," immigrare, predates that by more than a thousand years. Human migration is a phenomenon that dates back to before homo sapiens even existed -- pre-modern humans migrated wily-nilly. So, clearly, the word "immigrant" has nothing whatsoever to do with one's paperwork being in order; its roots predate the existence of contemporary legal systems.

An interesting question is why they bother making the argument at all? Surely, it's not relevant to the larger issue.

Or so it seems. But it is relevant, in that it is a response to a major problem for real immigration hardliners: the United States is, indisputably, a nation of immigrants and our heterogeneity, contra the howls of many a right-winger, is a big part of what makes America what it is. You can gorge on Bratwursts in Michigan, drink way too much vodka and mingle with decked-out Russian gliteratti in Brighton Beach, still read local Deutsche Zeitungen in small towns in Minnesota, eat Ethiopian food with your hands in L.A., sing weepy Irish ballads over your Guinness in dozens of Boston bars, wander the docks as the Vietnamese fishermen come in for a Texas evening and get the best roast pork in Little Havana. And thank god for all of that -- I wouldn't have it any other way.

But consider how awkward that simple reality is for a nice Irish boy like Bill O'Reilly, or someone like Tom Tancredo, whose grandparents -- all four of them -- immigrated to the U.S. from Italy in the first decades of the 20th century. There are a lot of immigration restrictionists of European descent -- people with names like O'Malley, Kowolski or Schmitt -- who are incensed about the current generation of immigrants to America, and to avoid charges of hypocrisy -- or simple cognitive dissonance -- they have an almost obsessive need to distinguish between their forebearers -- "good immigrants" every one -- and these scoundrels coming here today.

Usually, they're content to hang onto the fact that their great-grandparents immigrated legally, but I guess some need to go a step further and deny that those who bypass the system are immigrants at all.

Even the former distinction is weak. Consider the similarities between, say, the wave of European immigration that arrived in the 1880s and 1890s and those who have come over the past decade, and they dwarf the differences. Descendants of the huge waves of European immigration in the 19th and early 20th centuries make much of the fact that their great grandparents came here "legally," but they rest their case on a technicality: the only reason they were legal was that there was no law in effect restricting European immigration until the 1920s. In fact, European immigrants didn't even need to identify themselves to get in -- the derogatory word for Italians, "WOP," was an acronym stamped on entry documents that meant the person was arriving "With Out Papers."

It's true those earlier immigrants hadn't violated any law, but they never asked American citizens for permission to come and, while they contributed much to the growth of the American economy they, like their modern counterparts today, were not embraced with open arms by all of American society. In the mid-19th century, gangs would pepper arriving German immigrants with stones; walk into any Irish bar in New York City and you'll find the ubiquitous sign reading, "Irish Need Not Apply." Now those signs are a kitschy testament to Irish integration into American society, but back then they were anything but.

When one listens to the arguments put forth by people like Lou Dobbs today, they're virtually indistinguishable from what was said of those earlier European immigrants: they're invading in huge numbers; they won't assimilate like earlier immigrants have; they won't learn the language like earlier immigrants did; they vote in mindless blocs; they're unclean; their religions are backwards, and etc. Consider Benjamin Franklin's concerns expressed in a letter written in 1753:


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there will be maybe 50% of alternet readers who will indignantly decry immigration,
Posted by: Squarehead on Jun 2, 2008 3:48 AM   
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As I read this, there are, as yet, no comments.

But I am fairly sure that when they come, there will be maybe 50% of alternet readers who will indignantly decry immigration, using the flag of 'Illegal Immigrants' to cloak their dislike of change in society. That dislike is the normal human condition; peoples' comfort zone does not allow for a rapid change in social homogeneity.

I have to argue that ALL of us in the wealthy first world NEED this immigration. Our birthrate is too low to support the aging population that we are.

I live in Ireland; 15 years ago it was trumpeted as the 'youngest population in Europe'. Half of the people in Ireland were below 26 years of age. Now, approx half are below 35 years. The same dynamic is in every developed country, people tend to smaller family size, or no children, as their wealth increases.

One of the consequences is that as the population ages, there are less productive young people to support, by taxation and other methods, the older members of society.

So all of you baby boomers who vent off about 'jobs being taken from American workers' should have a little re-think. It is not the immigrant, legal or otherwise who is damaging the American middle and lower classes; it is the class who own power in your society. Of course they also like a situation of a larger pool of labor; so think laterally; how can you subvert this power? Because the activity (with racist undertones)of opposing immigration is both deluded and ineffective.

There is another component of immigration, which is barely addressed thus far (though it is starting, as in the story on eco-refugees). What are we Europeans, or Americans, going to do when faced with environmental catastrophe in tropical regions?

Personally, I am not prepared to machine gun, or starve to death, the millions of immigrants implied; therefore I would instead welcome them in. I offer this 'extreme' statement to encourage thought on the issue.

As someone once said:

'Which Side Are You On?"

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Scotch- Irish, Italian, Luthuanian- 6th Generation
Posted by: Purple Girl on Jun 2, 2008 4:17 AM   
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I owe it to MY ancestors to extend my hand to Others, to Practice 'Give me Your Tired ,your Poor, Your Huddle masses yearning to breath free'.PERIOD!

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IMMIGRANT, I
Posted by: billgee on Jun 2, 2008 4:26 AM   
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3RD GENERATION
I was born here. My Mother and Father were born here. Their Mothers and Fathers were born in Europe around the turn of the century and infants (innocents) when they arrived. The men worked, the women had babies. What kind of IMMIGRANT DOES THAT MAKE ME?


The numbers may have changed. Principles dont.
Theyre All People

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» RE: IMMIGRANT, I Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: Last Chance... Posted by: Quannah
» RE: IMMIGRANT, I Posted by: Lauren
The big difference
Posted by: zeb on Jun 2, 2008 4:38 AM   
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LEGAL vs. ILLEGAL

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» Just what we need (!) Posted by: Last Chance
» I Don't Think I'm Asking Too Much Posted by: grumble-bum
» RE: The big difference Posted by: Cyberposter
WAKE UP CALL
Posted by: Last Chance on Jun 2, 2008 4:49 AM   
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If there is no way to tell the difference between an illegal alien and a citizen, then there is no way to define our citizenship in a sovereign nation of laws = a defacto North American Union waiting for legal notification.

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» RE: WAKE UP CALL Posted by: bonzi
Good Start In Educating Your Readers, Now Go The Distance
Posted by: desidid on Jun 2, 2008 5:34 AM   
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Explain in detail how amalgamation and assimilation were achieved by earlier immigrants? The following are some examples of how those early immigrants practiced racial discrimination, an act that would eventually garner them a place within majority culture.

A number of factors can be attributed to the decline in black social and economic status in late-19th century Wilmington, but one factor--limited union participation--greatly influenced the numbers of black workers entering industrial employment. In the late-19th and early-20th centuries, union membership was the primary means of securing industrial employment. Immigrants were participants in the unionization movement, but most black workers were barred or were forced to form their own unions. Many national unions adopted policies that discriminated against blacks seeking union membership and entry into union-sponsored apprentice programs.

This exclusion and segregation by the unions initiated a vicious cycle of under- employment for black workers. Without union representation, black workers lacked the leverage to force employers to accede to their labor demands. Black workers settled for whatever jobs were available to them, usually unskilled, low-wage, low-status jobs. Labor unions, composed of members of skilled trades, considered the masses of black unskilled laborers as competitors willing to undercut their wages and thus were not interested in extending them union membership. This cycle was so effective in retarding black occupational mobility that by 1910, most black workers were employed in two sectors: in the professional sector in occupations such as doctors and clergymen (catering primarily to the black population) and in the domestic and personal services sector in occupations such as laborers and servants. The continued arrival of similarly skilled or unskilled immigrant groups during the late-19th and early-20th centuries limited the numbers of blacks entering the skilled and semi-skilled occupations and this persisted until the cessation of European immigration in 1924. Thus these factors--limiting black access to unions which was the initial step to industrial employment as well as specific discriminatory laws--shaped the economic and social opportunities available to Delaware's black population until well into the 20th century.

Employment Comparisons: 1845, 1850, 1880, and 1910

Ignatiev makes the case that the social construction of the Irish Americans as “white” while the African Americans were construed to be a “black” underclass was a complex social and economic process. He cites the use of political institutions by the Irish. They managed to overcome Nativist and Know-Nothing movements in the mid 19th centuries. They opposed the abolition of slavery, using the argument that they would abide by the laws of their adopted country. (This was in spite of a general Irish cultural distaste for slavery, and probably to avoid economic competition from freed slaves, as well as to build political coalition with the white southerners.) The Irish immigrants organized labor, and used violence and exclusionary tactics to keep work for the Irish. I would add, that they fought America’s wars, not only manning the army in the war with Mexico, but serving in distinguished Irish units in the Civil War and World War I. After emancipation, African Americans were the victims of other social and political processes that denied them rights and status in America. On the other hand, the social construction of the position of black Americans after the Civil War was a disaster has not been fully overcome today.

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» RE: You're Welcome Posted by: desidid
» Thanks, desidid Posted by: asilsfable
skingk
Posted by: skingk on Jun 2, 2008 6:02 AM   
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All this subjective opinion is tiresome.

To understand why immigration must be restricted, go to Youtube and watch Immigration Gumballs.

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The Capitalist Solution
Posted by: corgyn on Jun 2, 2008 6:07 AM   
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The problem, the "threat" seems to be in the unregulated nature of these travelers. So let's sell them documents, all nice and legal
Make ICE make MONEY

1. We need the labor, we need the consumers to keep the economy growing, nothing wrong with fresh blood

2. They need to work for income to live and buy.

3. Open the door s and just put price tags on admittance with a decent screening. They already paid the smugglers thousands of dollars. Just have them pay at the border crossing to USA.

I have no problem with difficult, painful, expensive process to full citizenship. But open up WORK VISAS, Modernize green cards, open immigration that just happens to pass a cash register.

This culture is the dominant force - they will be absorbed. Sure maybe things change, I love breakfast tacos rather than a sausage and beans English breakfast that should be my cultural heritage

Let's just all learn Spanish & English and get it over with

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» RE: The Capitalist Solution Posted by: Last Chance
» RE: The Capitalist Solution Posted by: Lauren
» RE: The Capitalist Solution Posted by: Old Skeptic
» RE: The Capitalist Solution Posted by: SOWILO
Deportation Prison
Posted by: ptown on Jun 2, 2008 6:25 AM   
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I will be visiting a loved one in a Deportation Prison in three weeks. I will fly to another state on Saturday morning, rent a car, get a hotel room, visit for only ONE hour on Saturday, stay in the hotel, visit one hour on Sunday and fly back home Sunday night. Why? Because someone I love very much is an illegal alien and his entire family are illegal aliens and nobody in the family can go visit. And I am the only person with a few extra bucks and the I.D. to visit the I.C.E. facility. But the main reason I am going is to see my young friend for what could be the very last time is this: if the judge does not let him come back home and if he does end up over the border, his Northern California tattoo makes him an immediate target for gang violence on the streets of his "home country" where he has not been since he was five years old.

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» RE: Deportation Prison Posted by: john mont
» john mont Posted by: ptown
» RE: john mont Posted by: 27raptor660
» 27raptor660 Posted by: ptown
Dishonoring our ancestors
Posted by: stillwaggon on Jun 2, 2008 6:36 AM   
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My ancestors came here from German speaking areas of Europe in the 18th century. They fought in the American Revolution to free the colonies from the British overlords of that time. Ben Franklin was quite outspoken in his opposition to their presence in his (at that time) English colony, even though he made part of his fortune as a printer by printing German language materials for them. He seems to have mellowed in his old age; he contributed to the founding of Franklin College (now Franklin and Marshall) for German speakers, an institution that even admitted women in its early days. I get pretty disgusted with descendents of immigrants who use hate speech (and action) against people who come here for the same reasons as our ancestors. If you are not a Native American, please reconsider how you dishonor your ancestors by your hateful behavior.

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Oh, to start so logically...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jun 2, 2008 6:37 AM   
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The word "immigrant" has nothing at all to do with legal status. It means, simply, to move from one place to another for the purpose of settling down. Papers, no papers -- it's all irrelevant to the act of migrating.

...and then give in to your personal emotions?

Nah, it's not really "immigrants" that your personal pariahs are "a'feard of". Even if they type in all caps, like "kids and folks off their meds"*.

It's about legal status, and implication that laws don't apply to people you favor, just because you said so, and they're here now.

In case the rest of you hadn't noticed, laws change. Old laws restricting abortion have changed. Old laws regarding property rights have changed. Old laws regarding mineral rights have changed. Old laws regarding whether you can bulldoze a stream to make a dam have changed. So has immigration law.

It's not "immigration hard-liners" you're "afear'd of", pilgrim: it's reality, and the law.

*what a juvenile

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» RE: Oh, to start so logically... Posted by: Squarehead
» The fundamentals of the argument: Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Getting this straight... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» *"what's wrong with that?" Posted by: ABetterFuture
If it had all been left to the English..
Posted by: GrannyBgood on Jun 2, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Immigrants have contributed much to what made America "Great" and powerful. Especially, powerful. First the South rose through slave labor (Unwilling Immigrants), while the North used the immigrant poor in their industrial mills, and of course, cannon fodder for their wars, where many immigrants documented and undocumented, fought for their new country.
We were ourselves "Imported" out of the ruins of WWII Germany for the American "Space Race" in 1950, my father being a top aeronautical and rocketry engineer, as was Werner von Braun, and most of the other scientists who contributed to American space supremacy, like those who worked on the Nuclear Bomb before them; mostly "outsourced" immigrants.
Evidently America needed foreigners' expertise to become the new superpower that threatens the world today.
(Perhaps we should have left it to the Natives, after all!)

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Everyone has a human right not to starve.
Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale on Jun 2, 2008 6:53 AM   
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Period. That's fundamental. We created the NAFTA monster and now we are reaping what we sowed. The rich desperately want cheap labor and they will always find a way to smuggle aliens across the border.

A few years ago there was a case in US 6th Circuit called Trollinger v. Tyson Foods where the union members sued Tyson for concerted efforts to routinely smuggle in people from Mexico in order to break the union. Tyson had them tied up in court for years and probably still does. Tyson was even admonished by a judge for its dilatory tactics and ridiculous legal arguments advanced in an effort to delay the case as long as possible and eventually break down the plaintiffs.

A poster above asked what Americans are going to do when global warming causes problems in the tropical nations. Good question, but let's take it a step further. What are we going to do when it affects our nation? There are serious long-term droughts affecting the Southeast and Southwest. Atlanta has a major water crisis. The water level in Florida's aquifer continues to decline. This is just the beginning.

So now we're building ourselves a wall and throwing up travel restrictions like passports for the Carribean and Canada.

The construction of the wall is just a feel-good attempt to quiet a population that has been whipped into a frenzy by Lou Dobbs, et al and the loss of good-paying jobs. Do you honestly think the meatpacking industry wants to start paying union wages to Americans?

The wall is really designed to to keep us in.

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Not immigrants but ILLEGAL ALIENS
Posted by: HBoyer on Jun 2, 2008 7:14 AM   
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More smoke and mirrors. Skirt the real issue.
The US government defines people that come to America illegally as ILLEGAL ALIENS not as
undocumented immigrants.

The words "undocumented alien" was created by the pro Illegal Alien supporters, like farmers, slaughter houses and religious organizations.
as a smoke screen to get sympathy from unsuspecting hard working Americans.

The real issue amnesty for 20 million Illegal
Aliens then OPEN BORDERS then implementation of the FASCIST government of "NORTH AMERICAN UNION"

This is the real reason for all you smoke and mirrors-Like Bush you don't tell the TRUTH.

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» RE: HBoyer... Posted by: Quannah
New Laws
Posted by: Southern Gal on Jun 2, 2008 7:20 AM   
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We need new laws that address immigration. We are not going to be able to have a rational and reasonable discussion of immigration issues and drafting of appropriate legislation until after the campaigning for elections and until there is a different administration and Congress in place. We will also have to get the citizens of this country on board. The discussion and law making will have to consider all of the elements of immigration including legal/illegal immigrants, economic status of US, humanitarian issues, labor laws, population growth, natural resources, infrastructure, social services and education. Considering the downward spiral of the US economy and the impact of the economy on working blue collar and middle class citizens, there will have to be information provided that emphasizes the economic benefits of increasing immigrant populations into this country. When people can see that their own interests are served, they are more likely to engage in discussion and support legislation that allows people from other countries to compete for jobs and services.

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» RE: New Laws Posted by: Old Skeptic
Yes..there IS a difference
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jun 2, 2008 7:24 AM   
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My grandfather came from Germany in 1900. And yes, he was an immigrant--but comparing him to the illegal issue today is totally different.

He came in through legal channels.

He didn't jump over or climb through a fence in the middle of the night.

He didn't try to hide with others like him to avoid the authorities.

He immediately learned English and cut all ties to his former homeland.

He didn't sit down and demand "special treatment" because of his ethnicity.

He became a farmer. He didn't try to steal jobs from others who were native-born and here before him.

I farm his land today.

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» RE: Yes..there IS a difference Posted by: Squarehead
» Yer sooooooooo full of sh*t Posted by: sausage
the origin of "wop"
Posted by: vegan27 on Jun 2, 2008 8:25 AM   
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The word "wop" does *not* stand for "With Out Papers". It comes from the Italian word "guappo" (a swaggerer, pimp, or ruffian).

You should be immediately skeptical of any trivia which claims that a common word began as an acronym. Almost all claims like that are bogus.

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» and "forebearers" (sic) Posted by: war_on_tara
» RE: and "forebearers" (sic) Posted by: desidid
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» Change the law??? Posted by: countingdaisies
» Change the law??? Posted by: countingdaisies
» "Invaion is Racist???" Posted by: gellero1
the Immigrant issue oione which the british agents in america encourage to keep the british influnce
Posted by: avatar_singh on Jun 2, 2008 8:31 AM   
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During 1988 election of dukasis and bush the stupid there was a discussion in BBc between a BAT(an angloamerican tobacco company) chairman and the BBC newsreader and anchor-both being british, that BAT (real vampire!) man said that bush would be good for business to which the BBc newscaster saidduring the bush stealing of election in florida there was many editoris iDuring 1988 election of dukasis and bush the stupid there was a discussion in BBc between a BAT(an angloamerican tobacco company) chairman and the BBC newsreader and anchor-both being british, that BAT (real vampire!) man said that bush would be good for business to which the BBc newscaster said that dukasis being Greek which so from near africa and therefore too darky .to which that BAT parasite agreed.
such is the thinking and influnce of the british who meddle in american election on the sides of only british symapthiser candidates and who label other non anglosaxon whites aswell as blacks undesirable to be president of america.British media including the guasrdian9whose role as instigator for iraq war was disgraceful) and BBc news tyo the effect that gore should withdraw objection within 10 days so that american president is elected and then america can do business of missile siting in europe meaning britian. such are the british who advocated astealing fo american elction! and such evils talk of democracy in zimbawe and other places.
In 1918 A very famous news mogul (Jewish) had been stopped from running american presidency because he might not have been inclined to rescue england in the 1st world war. so a british agent wilson was elected jsut like truman(a british agent-) was put in presidency after roosevelt(whom the british never liked).
british are the real evil and american do not know who has reall hit them despite being claased super power americans are really slave of the british.

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Without the law, we have ANARCHY...?
Posted by: Brittanicus on Jun 2, 2008 9:19 AM   
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These (ICE) sweeps are a provision enacted in the 1986 Simpson/Mazzoli bill, when the first AMNESTY became law. Since then an invasion has taken place, with estimates of between 15 to 38 million aliens illegally settling here. Ted Kennedy promised no more AMNESTIES, but American fell in to a false state of trusting our politicians who have tried several times to bring us another abomination immigration law.

We have seen very limited arrest and imprisonment from the aftermath of (ICE) raids. The SAVE ACT will commit larger funding for (ICE), the border patrol, police departments, drug squads, special agents and other anti-illegal immigration measures. Pariah employers in corporate farms and general businesses, have not seen the interior walls of prison, as they think they are above the law. Obviously we must relieve America of criminal aliens, gang members, degenerates but also anybody who flaunts the (IRCA) law. We must insist Democrats endorse the Federal SAVE ACT(H.R.4088), by phoning (2022243121) There leaders are keeping it dormant, waiting for the new presidents AMNESTY.

Except that on its enactment millions more will pour across our border. The millions here already will be dwarfed in comparison to the next onslaughts, coming from third world countries. NUMBERSUSA.

Copy & Paste and distribute freely.

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The current situation is different from earlier immigration
Posted by: Old Skeptic on Jun 2, 2008 9:39 AM   
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In previous periods of high immigration levels, most immigrants were coming from countries which were separated from the US by an ocean, and there were no airplanes. Arrival was by ship, and the ships were slow and could carry only so many passengers at a time. This made immigration a slower process. The passengers were inspected and interviewed, and could be rejected and sent back.

Now, all an immigrant from Mexico or points south has to do step across the border. This has resulted in the majority of immigrants, both legal and (especially) illegal, coming from Mexico, and other Latin American countries. If you really believe that these people are "assimilating" and learning the language, you might want to do a reality check by reading this article: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,359589,00.html

I know, it's from Fox News, but that alone doesn't make it "wrong". Do we really want a society that is split into competing linguistic/ethnic enclaves? I don't. If I were to go to a Spanish-speaking country you can bet your last peso that I'd be expected to polish up my high school Spanish and learn to fit in. Why should we demand any less?

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» Yes and no Posted by: war_on_tara
Yes, but... so what?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Jun 2, 2008 9:42 AM   
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but they rest their case on a technicality: the only reason they were legal was that there was no law in effect restricting European immigration until the 1920s.

And guess what? There was no controversy about immigrants having drivers' licenses in the 1920s either. Nobody had drivers' licenses until the 1920s! Go figure.

Passports were hardly used at all by anyone before World War I. Ah, a simpler time. Then technicalities ensued.

There are plenty of laws restricting immigration INTO Europe, NOW - a fact that seems far more pertinent to the issue at hand.

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» RE: Yes, but... so what? Posted by: desidid
NAFTA
Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 2, 2008 9:45 AM   
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Goods and money can flow freely across borders yet people cannot. It all depends on who can afford to pay for the laws. It's okay to force other people to build our civilization, but not okay for them to enjoy the fruits as we do.

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» RE: NAFTA Posted by: desidid
Stupid citizens who don't know their own country's history
Posted by: sausage on Jun 2, 2008 9:46 AM   
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Jesus, I beginning to think...aw, Hell! it's past beginning...that the reason we Americans find themselves in the current situation, vis-a-vis immigration, world diplomacy and an immperialistic and Constitionally illegal war, is that the vast majority are ignorant of our history.

I more than fed up with the morons prattling on, "My great-grandfather came here from (name the Southern or Eastern Euopean country of choice) legally, blah-de-blah" Well, dummies, those Wops, Polacks, Hunkies, Hymies and so-on-so-forth were brought over here after the Civil War to hold down wages and bust unions. But like the 400 Central Americans busted in Postville, IA a couple of weeks ago, they joined the union and soon became the backbone of the American organized labor. The folks at AgriProcessors, Postville, IA didn't have the chance.

And I'm also tired of the German-American dunderheads who think it's some kind of badge of good citizenship to say, "My German ancestors stopped speaking German in the home and cut all ties with the old country."

Well, I've got a clue for you dummies: Your German ancestors didn't stop speaking German because they wanted to! They were forced by law! During World War I antiGerman hysteria was so high that many states, especially in the Midwest were German immigrants tended to gather, the speaking, reading, teaching and printing of the German language was outlawed. One of the most draconian measures was promulgated in Iowa.

Ignorance can be corrected. But it seems to me that most Americans would rather join in a nationwide circle-jerk and masturbate one another in their advertising/marketing-industrial complex induced preconceived notions and prejudices. That hardens ignornace into willful stupidity.

And as we all know the actions of a stupid person always cause damage or injury to himself and often others.

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