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The Pentagon Strangles Our Economy: Why the U.S. Has Gone Broke

By Chalmers Johnson, Le Monde diplomatique. Posted April 26, 2008.


60 years of enormous military spending is taking a dramatic toll on the rest of the economy.

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The military adventurers in the Bush administration have much in common with the corporate leaders of the defunct energy company Enron. Both groups thought that they were the "smartest guys in the room" -- the title of Alex Gibney's prize-winning film on what went wrong at Enron. The neoconservatives in the White House and the Pentagon outsmarted themselves. They failed even to address the problem of how to finance their schemes of imperialist wars and global domination.

As a result, going into 2008, the United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries. Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay or repudiate. This fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.

There are three broad aspects to the U.S. debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on "defense" projects that bear no relation to the national security of the U.S. We are also keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segment of the population at strikingly low levels.

Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures -- "military Keynesianism" (which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic). By that, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of the U.S. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs, an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.

Fiscal disaster

It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense's planned expenditures for the fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations' military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defense budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defense-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The U.S. has become the largest single seller of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out President Bush's two on-going wars, defense spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defense budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since the second world war.

Before we try to break down and analyze this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defense spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says: "A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon's (always well publicized) basic budget total and double it." Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defense budget is 'black,'" meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.

There are many reasons for this budgetary sleight-of-hand -- including a desire for secrecy on the part of the president, the secretary of defense, and the military-industrial complex -- but the chief one is that members of Congress, who profit enormously from defense jobs and pork-barrel projects in their districts, have a political interest in supporting the Department of Defense. In 1996, in an attempt to bring accounting standards within the executive branch closer to those of the civilian economy, Congress passed the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act. It required all federal agencies to hire outside auditors to review their books and release the results to the public. Neither the Department of Defense, nor the Department of Homeland Security, has ever complied. Congress has complained, but not penalized either department for ignoring the law. All numbers released by the Pentagon should be regarded as suspect.


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Beware The Military Industrial Complex
Posted by: vox persona on Apr 26, 2008 12:55 AM   
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Ike was so right, and he knew of what he spoke. Another General/President/War Hero, named George Washington said of government: "Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action". FDR told us "There is nothing to fear, but fear itself". I could go on forever with quotes like that from founders and former Presidents, like James Madison saying, "The truth is, that all men having power ought to be mistrusted".
The fact is, that a perfect storm occured in 2000 when the vote was close enough for a hack partisan 'Supreme' Court stopped the determination of Florida voter intent to annoint their boy, which was little more than a corporation in a suit. At that point, all bets were off. What followed was a full scale transfer from taxpayer coffers to the MilIndComp, corporate cronies and war profiteers. What is occurring is a bald-faced heist as these cretins whip up the fear of the sheeple, then in a masterful bait-and-switch feat of misdirection combined with a soul-less ability to absolutely never be honest, they used a preventable (convenient) attack on home soil, as they either looked the other way or deliberately "allowed' the attack that PNAC previously stated was necessary to carry out their pre-existing agenda. With Iraqi oil maps on the table at Cheney's 'secret' energy policy meeting with the likes of Ken Lay and ilk, they plotted their slam dunk of an unholy war, sacrificing American and Iraqi lives (as well as those of the 'coalition of the coerced') like so many chess pawns; and selling their unholy war like so much snake oil. So now we spend $5-6,000 PER SECOND since this godawful thing was set into motion, going to everything from corrupt Iraqi officials to no-bid contracts to Cheney's former (and future?) masters in the ultimate insider trader scam. Start a bogus war, make sure cronies get obscenely rich, keep the fear stoked, and stay in power at all costs. Surely this qualifies as Iraq's own little Armegeddon, brought to us by flat-earthers who want to speed up the return of the Messiah, while ironically becoming mammon in the process. Power is all to these devils. There is no doubt in my mind that they mean to have a shooting war with Iraq before the election. It's textbook, page two. All they need is a fortuitously timed "lucky" attack again at the exact right time to enact all those unconstitutional executive orders (find that in the Constitution for me, please), and presidential directives that greased the skids to declaring martial law. What do they have to lose? They are almost out of chips, and out of time. It's almost time for the big power play/false flag. What is their other option? Facing war crimes tribunals? That is, if Democrats can ever grow a spine. I read that Bush bought an estate in Paraguay, and Cheney dumped millions to buy Euros and related securities, like a rats jumping from the ship they set on fire. It's all like someslow motion, theatre of the sbsurd nightmare I can't wake myself from. Let's just hope they leave peacefully, but I fear the damage they've already done is irreversible. CHEERS!

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» Minor correction Posted by: vox persona
All true, but what is the alternative to the US hegemon?
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 26, 2008 2:08 AM   
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It is wasteful, tiresome, bloody and a pain in the ass. But keeping hegemonic stability in the world has to be done by something. And what are the alternatives? North Korea? China? Russia? A China-North-Korea-Russia-Iran hegemon?

Would you want to live in a world where those countries dictated all the terms of trade and liberty? I can assure you, if that were to come about 99 per cent of Alternet users would be rotting in a prison camp somewhere or would be dead. Naomi Klein would have been executed long ago, not made rich by her books.

I don't like it either, I don't like the wars the waste or the corruption, but we need alternative ideas that are based on the realities of the power games of the world, and how do you not only protect and defend liberty, but also extend it?

Any constructive ideas are welcome!

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» lynident, the saying ought to be.... Posted by: kellysgarden
Old School Republicans were Highjacked
Posted by: Purple Girl on Apr 26, 2008 5:05 AM   
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This defuncting of the Old 'Small Gov't' ideology of the Repub party first was Infiltrated during Nixon, Fuel injected during Reagan, Disguised during HW and being played out with out Shame now. As a Dem I got to see the Gutting of my formidable adverrsar'ies played out on the sidelines- Yeah!. Unfortunately as I watch watching this con game being played on them- there were covert Operatives running rampant behind me (diversion tactic).
I have seen My party Morph into something I know longer Recognize and now see the subverting of my values and the obviousness of their tactics and goals playing out before my eyes & ears.
Frankly I can Not understand how anyone can consider Hillary a Dem, and buy her crap about all she's done for Our party over the last 35 yrs. The Working & Middle Class has been basically gutted and hung out to dry, Women are still fighting for equal pay, roe v Wade is on the Ropes and her recent confession to her espionge- "Obliterate' Iran with Nukes. The DNC should kick her ass Out. She's worse than Lieberman, at least he finally defected half way across the enemy lines. I see No Difference between her & Mac- Corporationists seizing our Country. The media perpetuates this treason by parroting the oxymoron "Reagan Democrats" there was no such thing then, We ahted him and saw what his Puppet master were Up to then and are still victims of today.
She is not OUR girl- she is Cheney & Co girl- Dick In Drag!"Devil In the Blue Dress"
It time both parties kick these infiltrators out of our Parties- get back the Purity of each- so real intellectual discussion regarding our countries welfare can be addressed. It is time these Corp Criminals hiding in 'public Office' get their own Party and TRY to get people to vote for their Profiteering Platform.
If the 'Neo Dems'/ 'Reagan Democrats' steal this nomination away from OUR cnadidate and hand it to this Carpetbagger- i will never vote for another Poser again! Perhps Real Dems and Real Republicans should leave and start our Own party- the Patriot party

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We have seen it before
Posted by: modeler on Apr 26, 2008 5:06 AM   
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Hitler spent paper money on weapons and armament. To make it pay he started WW II with well known results. The Bushits and their Dicks are doing the same thing. Lets hope that they are stopped before a similar disaster strikes with like results for the whole world.

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» RE: We have seen it before Posted by: richholland
"Full Faith and Credit....."
Posted by: xvictor on Apr 26, 2008 5:29 AM   
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We could sell the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial to folks in Dubai. They then can site them at one of their artificial islands off shore and make use of them as pleasure palaces amd tourist curiosities.

It may be sound like a fantasy now but thirty years ago the Saudis made a generous offer to buy the Alamo from Texas and ship it back to their desert. Of course, it was declined. But that was then.......

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the mind set of a nation
Posted by: grmartin on Apr 26, 2008 5:44 AM   
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The troubling question is how to change this way of life. Military megalomania is deeply imbedded in the US political institution, the economy, and individual American psyche. In theory, dissent and change are possible, but up against huge odds. The government, industry, entertainment and commmications - name it - all are implicit in the conspiracy to divert the nation's wealth to themselves and friends via military expenditure. Through carefully induced paranoia and false patriotism, Americans have been brainwashed into accepting this as normal, incomphrendable, and/or absurdly unture. If history is a clue, future administrations will continue to attack other counties to divert attention from any internal change. This seems to be a country with a noose around its neck, in line for a tough fall.

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Rn
Posted by: mnatra on Apr 26, 2008 5:49 AM   
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Great article so true and the most frightening description I have ever read about the military ind. complex.Ike ,however was instrumental in creating it no matter how honest he sounded in that farewell speech.Why he said those good- by words about the military in the face of his helping to build it, is still perplexing to me many years later.On the other hand, Is there any past example of how we Americans have coped with this type of government oppression and have come through it to save our economy besides going to war/ ?

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» RE: n Posted by: Lauren
Obama is our only hope.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 6:17 AM   
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The article made me rethink my opinion of Hillary Clinton. I asked myself, "Would she stand up to the all-powerful, U.S. military-industrial complex?"

Absolutely not -- as evidenced by her goal of establishing a nuclear umbrella over the Middle East that would "obliterate Iran" (her words) should it attack Israel, Jordan, Egypt or Saudi Arabia. That's exactly what the military-industrial war mongers wanted to hear.

Obama, on the other hand, rejects Hillary's belligerent neocon approach to foreign policy -- one reason she is determined to destroy him, with help from the Republican Party.

So who will I support in November if Mrs. Sniper Fire steals the Democratic nomination?

Not her, for sure, and absolutely not John McCain. I will keep faith with myself and write in Barrack on my ballot. If every Obama supporter did that, theoretically he could win the election.

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» RE: Obama is our only hope. Posted by: CatDad
» OBAMA'S PRO-WAR RECORD Posted by: chlamor
» isn't it sad he has no chance Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
The Death of America: Autopsy Results
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 26, 2008 6:35 AM   
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When the coroner's report is finally made available, the cause of death will be crystal clear: the American experiment was starved to death.

America could have been a paradise. And now our very survival depends on us keeping the world supplied with weapons of death. Think about that. Were world peace suddenly to envelope the Planet Earth, the United States of America would whither and die. Oh, no. We cannot allow that to happen.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» Right you are Tom... Posted by: Centavo
Coup d'etat, 1948-50
Posted by: Spock on Apr 26, 2008 7:30 AM   
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For decades, I have been pointing out that the only reasonable explanation for the course of U.S. history since World War Two is the military industrial complx coup d'etat that Eisenhower warned of in his valedictory address to the nation. Nothing else expains all this, and more and more people who have been poo-pooing my study of history are now coming around to my way of thinking. I wonder how much more has to occur before the nation wakes up. My website is www.judoknighterrant.com, and the Mongoose Trick - Speaking Truth to Tyranny - is my "blog."

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» RE: Coup d'etat, 1948-50 Posted by: Lauren
U.S. Economy is Dependent on DOD Contracts
Posted by: oldhippie on Apr 26, 2008 7:33 AM   
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I have worked as a technical writer for many years and for the past ten years or so have worked on writing and managing proposals. I have worked on proposals for major construction projects, IT, and telecommunications. However, in looking for another project / job this year, I have observed that more than half of the proposal writing jobs are for DOD contracts. This makes me realize that the major portion of our economy is dependent on government contracts. That's why war(s)will continue in perpetuity. We have a sick society when our economy is dependent on controlling and victimizing other countries in the world. I refuse to participate in it.

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» I had the same experience Posted by: ReallyBearish
Our Purpose in Life
Posted by: Southern Gal on Apr 26, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Apparently, our purpose in life is to support the Pentagon and the Military Industrial Complex through our tax dollars and our children who supply bodies for the war machine. Our children and their children and on will inherit the military debt already incurred until the end of time.

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The Military Industrial Complex Coup d'etat
Posted by: Spock on Apr 26, 2008 7:43 AM   
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Why is it that no one - no one - realizes what happened when industrial military complex corporations grown enormous and enormously powerful politically on World War Two profits were unwilling to go back to pre-war status? How blind - or blinded can you be? I first realized what was happening shortly after high school - 1953 - and I've been saying it all my life. What else but coup d'etat explains a CIA, able to spend as much as it chose (and chooses) without accounting to anyone? Nothing else explains U.S. history since 1950 - including Operation MOCKINGBIRD, the co-opting and takeover of the nation's media. All that remains possible now concerning our survival as a democratic nation is rebellion, wholesale repudiation of the corporately-owned government and concomitant restoration of rule of the people, by the people, and for the people. Do you really think our Brobdingnagian corporations will simply surrender to a simple plebiscite everything they have?

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Opportunity costs
Posted by: WhatNow? on Apr 26, 2008 8:00 AM   
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I read this article months ago, but if any article needs to be reposted, this is a good one.

Here's another article concerning opportunity costs that rarely if ever get metioned.

Global Warming and the Iraq War

# If the war were ranked as a country in terms of annual emissions, it would emit more CO2 each year than 139 of the world’s nations do, more than 60% of all countries on the planet.
# Just the $600 billion that Congress has allocated for military operations in Iraq to date could have built over 9000 wind farms (at 50 MW capacity each), with the overall capacity to meet a quarter of the country’s current electricity demand. If 25% of our power came from wind, rather than coal, it would reduce US GHG emissions by over 1 billion metric tons of CO2 per year – equivalent to approximately 1/6 of the country’s total CO2 emissions in 2006.
# In 2006, the US spent more on the war in Iraq than the whole world spent on investment in renewable energy.
# US presidential candidate Barack Obama has committed to spending “$150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of green energy technology and infrastructure.” The US spends nearly that much on the war in Iraq in just 10 months.

I've thought it often and wondered even more if the war machine was going to burn all of Iraq's oil. Good job amerika!

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» RE: Opportunity costs Posted by: aussidawg
Who do we fight these wars for?
Posted by: Reader11722 on Apr 26, 2008 8:02 AM   
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Only Israel benefits from these endless Middle East wars. Iraq is the beginning. As we commit war-crimes in Baghdad, the US gov't commits treason at home by opening mail, eliminating habeas corpus, using the judiciary to steal private lands, banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon and Wikipedia, conducting warrantless wiretaps and engaging in illegal wars on behalf of AIPAC's 'money-men'. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran.. Then we'll invade Syria, then Saudi Arabia, then Lebanon (again) then ....

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» stop the spamming stop the lie Posted by: AtomicNYC
» and this is old news, at that Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Think about this:
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 26, 2008 8:27 AM   
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"Between the 1940s and 1996, the U.S. spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs."

If we had spent a similar amount on solar and wind R&D and manufacturing, we'd have an entirely fossil-fuel free energy system right now, which would meet all our energy needs without producing any pollutants.

Just a fact.

If we had spent $3 trillion on renewable energy in five years, we'd have spent $10,000 for every single U.S. citizen - definitely enough to put a solar panel system on every single home in the United States.

Vested interests like the status quo - and they own and control the press, so such things just aren't discussed in public. The NYT or the WP won't publish honest articles on energy without getting tons of soundbites from fossil fuel PR monkeys who always claim that "the technology is just too expensive."

For more, see the ridiculous amount of energy that the U.S. military consumes, and consider the skyrocketing cost of oil:
http://www.energybulletin.net/29925.html

It's the same with energy and with money:

US military energy consumption- facts and figures by Sohbet Karbuz

As the saying goes, facts are many but the truth is one. The truth is that the U.S. military is the single largest consumer of energy in the world. But as a wise man once said, don't confuse facts with reality. The reality is that even U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) does not know precisely where and how much energy it consumes. This is my Fact Zero. . .

FACT 1: The DoD's total primary energy consumption in Fiscal Year 2006 was 1100 trillion Btu. It corresponds to only 1% of total energy consumption in USA. For those of you who think that this is not much then read the next sentence. Nigeria, with a population of more than 140 million, consumes as much energy as the U.S. military..


It goes on and on - and the actual amount used could easily be twice what is reported (there are no reports on overseas U.S. military fuel consumption).

So, maybe if we can get the military to go to renewable energy, it will trickle down to the rest of us! But no, the military is now pushing for jet fuel from coal. .. .yes, coal. Cheney is thrilled.

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» RE: Think about this: Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Think about this: Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: Think about this: Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Think about this: Posted by: aussidawg
pissin away our money
Posted by: eldoradoman1953 on Apr 26, 2008 8:33 AM   
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why cant we take our money and do something good with it like build hospitals staff them with best doctors and materials and become the worlds healer instead of the worlds murderer wtf is wrong with these coxsuckers

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» RE: pissin away our money Posted by: Quannah
» RE: pissin away our money Posted by: Lauren
White fear is the root cause
Posted by: nfamous on Apr 26, 2008 8:33 AM   
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Let's examine the root of the problem: white supremacy. White people believe they are entitled to everything on this planet at the expense of all others, even other less wealthy whites. Whites live in constant fear of nonwhites and their cultures. It is this fear that drives them to the furthest reaches of the planet to oppress others. Wherever you go on this planet you will find white people oppressing blacks or darker-skinned peoples.

The fix for the military industrial complex is not congressional reform or more diplomacy or even shutting down half of the bases. The fix is white people coming to grips with their innate fear that cause them to act out of greed and apathy toward all other life forms on this planet. It is whites realizing that many of them are missing the spiritual component that binds human beings together with each other and the universe. Put simply, it's time for whites to stop being afraid of the dark, pun intended.

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» RE: White fear is the root cause Posted by: KevinJames
» nfamous: it's not always about you. Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» pfft! Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Take the HIGHEST estimate they are willing to give you,
Posted by: weslen1 on Apr 26, 2008 8:35 AM   
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multiply by 500 and you have a ballpark figure. Start from there.

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Sercle
Posted by: sercle on Apr 26, 2008 9:06 AM   
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I believe that a critical threat to our national defense is the low educational levels of the electorate. Half the defense budget should be put to schools; in one generation we can influence future prison populations, gross national product, and we can have engineers and inventors to strengthen our infrastructure and prepare us to avoid global warming. One quarter of the defense budget can be put to making friends, fostering understanding among people, within our boundaries and beyond. The alternative is folly.

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» RE: Sercle: Critical threat Posted by: SamFox
» RE: Sercle Posted by: Alcyon
Skulking death
Posted by: willymack on Apr 26, 2008 9:45 AM   
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One day I went into my back yard and happened to notice my cat staring intently at a spot on the ground. Being careful not to get too close, I saw a tiny hole where he was looking. Before long, a mouse's head appeared. That was all my cat needed as he grabbed the mouse and quickly dispached and ate it. It happened so fast, it was a blur. Our military establishment has, over the years, grown to monsterous proportions. The process has been a stealthy one and largely out of the public eye. This was accomplished through clever propoganda (remember the Soviet "menace"?), and economic three card monty. As always, there's a frightful menace personified by one or more "terrorists", such as Osama bin Laden or Kin Jong Il, who in and of themselves are actually harmless. The military is now in the position to take us over any time it desires, because there's no effective opposition in Congress or elsewhere. This may explain the paralysis of both Democrats and Republicans in congress. Are we that hapless mouse, shyly poking our heads out of the ground, unaware of the monster waiting to devour us? I think the possibility is worth thinking about.

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» RE: Skulking death Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Skulking death Posted by: badkitty
Military Power, War, and Millions Without Health Care
Posted by: sofla100 on Apr 26, 2008 10:42 AM   
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A big problem with the strong concentration of military power in the USA is that it invites and leads to war. A military, just composed for self-defense, is not a problem. Such a military, in the USA, would be 3/4 smaller then what we have today. What the USA military then is today, is not a military for self-defense, but it is composed for offensive capability. To satisfy the myth that the USA is a benign and positive force in the world and that military force can and should be used for "national objectives," and strategic options. As though military force, and war, is going to bring peace! Look at what it has really given us. The mind numbing and endless wars of Iraq and in the past, Vietnam. The trillions spent while millions of Americans have no health care, and thousands do not even have enough food to eat. And, a more dangerous, and less safe world. All the excssive military capacity the USA has then just invites and leads to war.

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Don't give-up on the Democratic Party
Posted by: peacekeepertwo on Apr 26, 2008 10:48 AM   
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We have to keep trying to change, the progressive wing of the party. I know just yesterday, I told A man that If Hillary wins the Primary election, I will be supporting Nader,in the general Election. It seems the harder we try to change our Party, the worse things get. It seems that no one at the top listens. we just need to keep preaching the same old Sermon, until some one Important hears us.

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The Pentagon
Posted by: SouthernWolf on Apr 26, 2008 11:22 AM   
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Is destroying America from within like a bloated parasite sucking the life juices from it's host. It acts exactly like an occupying army, like Sherman destroying Georgia. Here is a corollary: CIA Factbook, American debt

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A plea to Thoughtcriminal: Please stop your personal attacks against me.
Posted by: HughScott on Apr 26, 2008 12:54 PM   
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In his response to my previous comment on this thread, Thoughtcriminal (TC) accused me of being a "Petraeus Pimp" who used "silly pet tricks" to encourage a "little divisiveness."

Here is why TC attacked me.

Because I'm a Vietnam veteran who dislikes smear campaigns against U.S. military men and women, last year I defended General Petraeus during the MoveOn.org "Betraus" controversy. My stance raised Thoughtcriminal's ire and he personally attacked me, despite my right to have an opinion.

This year I changed my mind about the general's motivation and now consider him to be a politician, not a patriot. I told Thoughtcriminal that on a previous thread after he called me a Petraeus stooge.

Even so, despite my explanation -- a plea to leave me alone, actually -- Thoughtcriminal has continued his personal campaign to destroy my Alternet credibility, such as calling me a "Petraeus pimp" on this thread.

The sad part is, TC is a damn good writer. And while his comments are rather lengthy, I always read them. However, now I see a dark side to his personality. Rather than argue with facts, he resorts, in my case, to the same Karl Rove tactics Republicans use. Hopefully this plea will cause TC to moderate his responses to my comments.

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BushCheney and all his croanies should be tried for treason
Posted by: ptown on Apr 26, 2008 1:10 PM   
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BushCheney and all his croanies should be tried for treason.

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» by whom? Posted by: e rice
Whimps, Cowards, and Thieves.
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Apr 26, 2008 1:43 PM   
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Trillions of dollars for decades and these crap for brains military jerks can't beat a band of Iraqi dissadents. Billion dollar tanks, planes, ships, permanent bases and these guys are still losers. The generals and admirals should be court martialed for sheer incompetence. After loosing two wars (Vietnam & Iraq) I want a refund before these chuckle heads add Iran to their list of failures.

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Smug Cold Warriors
Posted by: anambrose on Apr 26, 2008 2:16 PM   
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It's a myth that RR defeated the USSR when it had as much to do with the internal economics of so vast a land mass. The CIA's missed intelligence opportunity served both Neo Con and Neo Liberal policies so it was easy to ignore. Anyone alive with eyes and a brain saw the downhill slide accelerate from the 1970's on. When we had a chance to really put the nail in many coffins from poverty, proliferation, environmental rape, immigration, Medicare, Social Security and "Free Trade" hollowing out our manufacturing base instead we invade little Grenada after leaving 241 dead Marines in Beirut unanswered. We went from being the Arsenal of Democracy to the biggest arms dealer domestically and internationally. The same forces that befell the USSR are now eating away at the rotting foundations of our Empire and we have a choice. Do we continue to fund 750+bases around the globe above and beyond what's being spent in Iraq & Afghanistan in an attempt to maintain an Empire or do we want our Republic back? It might have been possible to have both for a brief time but that time has passed and now with the chickens are coming home to roost it's an either or situation. Which will we choose?

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» RE: Smug Cold Warriors Posted by: Lauren
Just imagine for a moment
Posted by: JohnJlws on Apr 26, 2008 2:50 PM   
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Just imagine for a moment, if you will, how much we might be spending if we weren't the great Christian nation we are.

What's really phenomenal about these outrageous, obscene expenditures is there are actually people, even on this forum, who defend them with asinine statements like "show me an alternative." Okay, how about some inkling of reasonableness, how about if we eliminate star wars, how about if we get rid of every major new, revamped or "system in waiting" weapons system designed to take out the Soviet Union (they don't exist any longer), how about if we say for every $50 we spend o