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God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the GOP Crusade for Values Voters

By Sarah Posner, PoliPoint Press. Posted January 22, 2008.


A look into the shady finances and manipulative politics of America's leading televangelist hucksters.
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The following is excerpted from Sarah Posner's new book, God's Profits: Faith, Fraud, and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters It is reprinted here courtesy of PoliPoint Press. Photo credit for front page image associated with this article: Nina Berman. See more at Ninaberman.com.

Inside the Trinity Christian Church in Irving, Texas, a crowd starts gathering in the afternoon for a Victory Healing and Miracle Service that is to begin at 7 p.m. that evening. People have traveled from as far away as Ohio and Arkansas and Georgia to participate. Most are waiting in the perimeter lobby of the church, camping out with pillows and Bibles, ordering pizza, and waiting for an event that has been hyped on Christian television for months. I approach one woman, an African American member of televangelist Rod Parsley's World Harvest Church in Columbus, Ohio. Judging from her clothes, the woman could scarcely afford the plane ticket she bought to see a performance of the preaching phenomenon whose services she can attend three times a week at home in Columbus. She's almost in a trance, barely able to focus on me or what I am asking her, and she brushes me aside as I inquire about her journey. People are waiting to see healings and miracles; Parsley claims a quarter of a million people have mailed in prayer cloths (and money) so that he could put his "anointing" on them. Once returned to the donor, the prayer cloths can be used to heal anything in a broken life, from depression to cancer to joblessness to debt.

Trinity Christian Church is owned by the Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), the largest Christian television network in the world, and is on the grounds of the Irving outpost of the Orange County, California-based conglomerate that monopolizes the Christian airwaves with its Word of Faith message of health and wealth. As a movement, not a denomination, Word of Faith has no membership or doctrinal requirements, but its tenets have become embeded in the late-twentieth-century nondenominational movement known as neo-Pentecostalism. Yet while it presents itself as a benign message of hope and purpose, critics of Word of Faith charge that it is a heresy that robs its followers of spiritual fulfillment, an affinity fraud that robs them of their money, and a distortion of the Scriptures, run by authoritarian preachers who rob their followers of their autonomy.

The main tenets of Word of Faith are revelation knowledge, through which the believer derives knowledge directly from God, rather than from the senses; identification, through which the believer is inhabited by God and is another incarnation of Jesus; positive confession, or the power of the believer to call things into existence; the right of believers to divine health; and the right of believers to divine wealth. The believer, a "little god," is anointed and therefore can reject reason in favor of revelation, a "higher knowledge that contradicts the senses." It is through revelation knowledge that the Word of Faith movement has created its alternate universe in which rational thought is rejected and where the media, intellectual thought, science, and any type of critical thinking are scorned. Drawing on the Pentecostal tradition of casting out devils, pursuits associated with the Enlightenment are denounced as the work of Satan.

Parsley has emerged as a leading figure in Christian conservative politics and is a frequent visitor to the Bush White House and Capitol Hill. Many credit him with the GOP victory in his native Ohio in 2004, a result that gave Bush the necessary electoral votes to capture the White House a second time. Although Parsley was well-known in Word of Faith circles for years from his church and his television program, Breakthrough, he became a nationally recognized name in 2004 for his relentless campaigning for Ohio's gay marriage ban.

Well before the service is scheduled to start, the church sanctuary fills up. The best seats are reserved for pastors affiliated with Pars¬ley's franchise, the World Harvest Church Ministerial Fellowship. Soon church employees are shuttling people to overflow rooms inside the TBN studios a couple of parking lots away. I am crammed to the point of immobility in an upper-balcony pew of the four-thousand-seat sanctuary. The praise and worship bands are louder than I've ever experienced at any Word of Faith service, hyping the crowd into a frenzy and making it impossible to talk to anyone around me. People are dancing and singing, reaching their arms out toward the stage and holding their palms cupped upward, all set to receive the anointing.


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Sarah Posner has covered the religious right for The Nation, The American Prospect, AlterNet, and other publications, and writes The FundamentaList for The American Prospect Online. Her new book is God's Profits: Faith, Fraud, and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters (PoliPoint Press).

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What would Jesus think?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 22, 2008 12:36 AM   
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Lenny Bruce said it perfectly fifty years ago this year in his famous bit, "Religions Inc.": "Religion is big business." One can only feel pity for the poor people who fall for this nonsense, giving away money they can ill-afford to these vultures.

What do they do with all that money? Do they operate any homeless shelters? Are there any food programs for the poor? Any food pantries? Homeless shelters? How can anyone who calls himself a "Christian" be a supporter of George W. Bush, the least Christ-like president we've ever had?

Blessed are the peace makers
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are the meek
For they shall inherit the earth.

You see where I'm going with this, don't you? Anyone who professes to be a serious follower of the Prince of Peace and yet supports the murderous agenda of the Bush regime and the GOP is one of the false prophets that Jesus warned us all to beware of.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
COUNTDOWN: ONE MORE YEAR!

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» RE: Beware prosperity theology Posted by: symcokid
don't they have to file 990 tax returns
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jan 22, 2008 1:34 AM   
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like other non-profit agencies?

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What's Jesus Got to Do With It?
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Jan 22, 2008 1:47 AM   
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Parsley, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson and the others are proving PT Barnum right: there is a sucker born every minute. Come to think of it, the successes George W. Bush and Mike Huckabee are pretty good evidence, too.

Read the Gospels. Whether you believe in Jesus's divinity, or even in God, or not, you'll notice that he had a lot to say about greed, materialism, ostentatious piety and duty to the less fortunate. Nowhere is he recorded as discussing abortion or homosexuality, both of which were prevalent in his time.

So the question is, what does evangelical Christianity have to do with Jesus? Not much, it seems.

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Blessed are the simpletons for they are all gullible
Posted by: Smiggsy on Jan 22, 2008 3:38 AM   
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I once lived next door to evangelical christians who seemed to me were a bit loopy. Their church pastor told them not to associate with anything the color red as it was the "devils color". So they did not eat tomatoes or ketchup, red wine, red drinks, or wear red clothing, red lipstick & so on....they insisted on this concept being the words of Jesus.

One day I asked them what the color of their blood was.....they couldn't even grasp this very concept of reality & predictably they got upset.

Some of these people are quite simply so stupid they will believe anything. So hilarious its tragic.

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The Repugnicant Evangelist
Posted by: halweiner on Jan 22, 2008 4:10 AM   
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Easy answer to the question of what they do with all that money.
They pocket it. And they get further benefit from the tithes of fat cats
who own and operate:

Halliburton
Extell
Mobil
Exxon
Lukoil ( now that the Russkies are Capitalists Too)
McDonnell Douglas
and ASSorted defense contractors who only charge
$1,325 for a toilet seat and $1,972 for a hammer.

And the list goes on........

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» RE: The Repugnicant Evangelist Posted by: phatkhat
Ya gottat feel pity for these people
Posted by: walldodger1969 on Jan 22, 2008 4:17 AM   
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until you realize they were the ones that put these A$$HOLES in power.. Every thinking person should be telling ..no yelling at any person that attends a church, PSST!.. there is no "God"..(and if you go to church..you're part of the problem).

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No Pity Needed ~ Just Some Thought
Posted by: Sissy on Jan 22, 2008 4:41 AM   
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Because there has been so much intrusion in our personal lives these past years in the name of Christ, there is getting less and less room for tolerance, mostly because people are so fed up with it all.

In my own view, Religion and Faith are two very different issues. Simply, I do have Faith, but I have much contempt for what I perceive as interference in lives by the "religious factor". I go to church regularly, I contribute to its causes, I run a food panatry and reach out to the homeless. That is what I do. I do not recruit people to come with me, nor do I impose my Faith on anyone else. It is simply my part of life. I do not judge you if your choose not to believe, that is your choice and I believe that we were given the ability to do that....make choices. By the same token while I could have never aborted a pregnancy, I would never, ever assume that I would have the right to impose my personal feeling on you or your loved ones. While I have been married nigh on 40 years, I would never ever tell you who you can or can't marry.

I have been terribly disheartened by what has occurred in the name of Jesus Christ these last 20 years. The Jerry Falwell's, Pat Robertson's, etc. do not come close in my estimation as to what "Faith" is or how we are "supposed" to live. I would never give a dime towards their pent houses, airplanes, trips abroad. But I do believe in the content of the Bible that gives mention over 2000 times for us to feed the poor, be kind to one another, help those in need.

That's what I belive and whether you like it or not, Bless you for what's in your own heart.

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» RE: No Pity Needed ~ Just Some Thought Posted by: walldodger1969
» RE: No Pity Needed ~ Just More Thought Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
the corruption of Christianity began
Posted by: wawa on Jan 22, 2008 5:24 AM   
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With Augustine's Just War Theory

God gave us a brain that we would use it.

A true Christian is one such as the Jesuit 'con' John Dear,

Who has done jail time more than a few times, and is facing even more:


All for being a nonviolent nonconformist who follows The Way Jesus taught one must be to be an authentic follower of his.

The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood. -Martin Luther King Jr


My Statement Before the Judge
By John Dear


It's a powerful experience to stand before a judge and be sentenced to jail for saying No to war, injustice and nuclear weapons, something I highly recommend for all followers of the nonviolent Jesus. It really helps clarify one's discipleship, one's citizenship in God's reign of peace, one's faith, hope and love. In these days of war, genocide, nuclear weapons, poverty, executions, abortion, torture, global warming, and violence of every description, it's a great grace to be in trouble with the empire for practicing nonviolence, for daring to offer a word of peace, for serving the God of peace.

On Thursday morning, January 24th, I'll stand in Federal Court in Albuquerque, New Mexico and be sentenced for our effort, nearly a year and a half ago now, to visit the office of our Senator. Judge Donald Svet asked us to write letters to him about ourselves, and allowed my co-defendants each to make a statement at their sentencing last November. Here below are excerpts from my notes of what I will say in court on Thursday, if allowed. Regardless of the outcome for me, my prayer is that more and more people will speak out against this evil, ongoing U.S. war on Iraq and in the process, we might all reclaim our fidelity to the nonviolent Jesus.

TBC

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» RE: the corruption of Christianity began Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
JC was never a Christian and neither are those that wage war
Posted by: wawa on Jan 22, 2008 5:29 AM   
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The term 'Christian' was not even coined until the days of Paul, about 3 decades after Jesus walked the earth a man.


Jesus was NEVER a Christian, but he was a social justice, radical revolutionary Palestinian devout Jewish road warrior who rose up and challenged the job security of the Temple authorities by teaching the people they did NOT need to pay the priests for ritual baths or sacrificing livestock to be OK with God; for God already LOVED them just as they were:

Sinners, poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Military Occupation.



What got Jesus crucified was disturbing the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces of his time, by teaching the subversive concept that Caesar only had power because God allowed it and that God preferred the humble sinner, the poor, diseased, outcasts, widows, orphans, refugees and prisoners all living under Roman Occupation above the elite and arrogant.







The early followers and lovers of Jesus were called members of THE WAY-being THE WAY he taught one should be; Nonviolent, a Peacemaker and one who did the will of the Father .


"What does God require? He has told you o'man! Be just, be merciful, and walk humbly with your Lord." -Micah 6:8




Jesus remained NONVIOLENT and forgiving even while being mocked, whipped and nailed to a cross and he promised that it is the Peacemakers who are the children of God, not the peace-talkers.


2,000 years ago The Cross had NO symbolic religious meaning.



When Jesus said: "Pick up your cross and follow me."



He was issuing a POLITICAL statement, for the main roads in Jerusalem were lined with crucified agitators, rebels, dissidents and any others who disturbed the status quo of the Roman Occupying Forces.

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» Christ is Anointed with Cannabis! Posted by: garry minor
Neo-con takes on a whole new meaning.
Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 22, 2008 5:31 AM   
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Confidence tricksters, or "Con men", have been around a very long time. The medicine shows of the 19th century are a good example of how the sick can be tricked out of their savings by unscrupulous liars only interested in the bottom line. Now we have fraud preachers who run their own medicine shows with electronic communications to further their crooked schemes.

I am not convinced that Rod Parsley and other wealthy televangelists are really working to further the GOP agenda. It would seem more likely that they shill for the Republicans as a means to ensure that their tax-free status and freedom from any oversight continues. The GOP is unlikely to bite the hand which feeds it.

I gain my insight into this by the old adage of "Follow the money".

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What JC really said
Posted by: wawa on Jan 22, 2008 5:33 AM   
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About 2,000 years ago, when Christ was about 33, he hiked up a hill and sat down under an olive tree and began to teach the people;

"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven."

In other words: it is those who know their own spiritual poverty, their own limitations and sins honestly and trust God loves them in spite of themselves who already live in the Kingdom of God.


How comforted we will all be, when we see, we haven't got a clue, as to the depth and breadth of pure love and mercy of The Divine Mystery of The Universe. God's name in ancient Aramaic is Abba which means Daddy as much as Mommy and He/She: The Lord has said, "My ways are not your ways. My thoughts are not yours." -Isaiah 55:8


Christ proclaimed more: "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

The essence of meek is to be patient with ignorance, slow to anger and never hold a grudge. In other words: how happy you will be when you also know humility; when you know yourself, the good and the bad, for both cut through every human heart.


"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, they will be filled."

In other words: how happy you will be when your greatest desire is to do what "God requires, and he has already told you what that is; BE JUST, BE MERCIFUL and walk humbly with your Lord."-Micah 6:8


"Blessed are the merciful, they will be shown mercy." In other words: how happy you will all be when you choose to return only kindness to your 'enemy.'


"For with the measure you measure against another, it will be measured back to you." Christ warns his disciples as he explains the law of karma in Luke 6:27-38.


"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they see God."


In other words: how happy you will be when you WAKE UP and see God is already within you, within every man, every woman and every child. The Supreme Being is everywhere, the Alpha and Omega, beginning and end. Beyond The Universe -and yet so small; within the heart of every atom.


"Blessed are The Peacemakers: THEY shall be called the children of God."


Oh how happy the WORLD will be when we all seek justice and pursue it, for there can be none without the other.

"Blessed are those who are persecuted because they do what God requires, theirs is The Kingdom of Heaven."

And one fine day the lion will lie down with The Lamb and man will make war no more and that is the Kingdom of God.


JC also said: "I came that you would have life to the FULL: abundant life."-John 10:10

He was NOT talking about financial wealth; he was talking about thinking deep and living life from the overflow of your heart,

"All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."-Arthur Schopenhauer


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» RE: What JC really said Posted by: oregonox
Jesus wept
Posted by: fred_53_99 on Jan 22, 2008 5:34 AM   
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Jesus served, healed, and fed. He had no church, no home and had to borrow a donkey to ride in to passover.If dies in America, it will these so called men of God will have killed it.

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Parsley is a psychopath who has discovered a gold mine.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 22, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Religion is caused by any one or more of about half a dozen mental illnesses.
The truth about religion can be found in these books:

"The Neuropsychological bases of god beliefs" Dr. Michael A. Persinger MD,
psychiatrist 1987 "Religious people are just like my temporal lobe patients"

"The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bi-Cameral Mind" Julian
Jaynes Professor, Harvard University 1976 "Religious people are just like
schizophrenic patients"

"The Psychiatric Interview in Clinical Practice" Roger A. MacKinnon, M.D.,
Robert Michels, M.D. W. B. Saunders Co. 1971 "Religiosity is a common
symptom [of] schizophrenic patients"

"The God delusion" by Richard Dawkins. "Religion is caused by a kind of
computer virus that infects the living computer, the human brain."

"The Science of Good and Evil" by Michael Shermer, 2004 "Morality and Ethics
are now in the jurisdiction of Science and greatly improved thereby."

Many books in the new science called "Sociobiology": Morals and ethics are
instinctive and they evolved.

"God: The Failed Hypothesis" by Victor Stenger Scientific proof that god does
not exist.

"The God Part of the Brain" by Matthew Alper 1996. "The USA is anomolusly
religious because many early founder groups were religiously insane and fleeing
prosecution in Europe. Religion is a genetic disorder."

"The Accidental Mind" by David J. Linden, 2007 Belknap Press of Harvard
University Press. Religion is caused by the extreme klugeyness of the "designed"
by evolution brain. In particular, the narrative creation system cannot be turned
off. It generates false narratives that are believed by the generating person. This is
seen in experiments done in the laboratory. This book has the best explanation of
resistance to evolution: "There has also been an assumption that if one accepts the
idea that life developed without divine intervention, it necessarily follows that all
aspects of religious thought must be rejected. Those who take this line of
argument to extremes argue that when religious thought is rejected moral and
social codes will degenerate and "the law of the jungle" will be all that is left. It is
imagined by religious fundamentalists that those who do not share their particular
religious faith are incapable of leading moral lives." These suppositions are not
true many times over. Linden later mentions that the creationists [intelligent
design advocates] are exactly 180 degrees wrong rather than just a little wrong.
Being exactly wrong, they are unable to unlearn their error. See Sociobiology or
Sciobio.

"Scientists Confront Intelligent Design and Creationism" edited by Petto &
Godfrey, 2007. The ID and creationist crowd are trying to do away with science.
They see science as a "godless religion." The ID and creationist crowd say
training in science is brainwashing. The creationists are seriously mentally ill. It
is religion that is brainwashing.

"Manufacturing Belief" by Lewis Wolpert
http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2007/05/15/lewis_wolpert/

"The End of Faith" and "Letter to a Christian Nation" by Sam Harris

"Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon", by Daniel Dennett
Let's do scientific research on religion and find out what causes it.

"Origins of the Modern Mind" by Merlin Donald 1991 "So what did you expect
from a brain that is based on the Chimpanzee brain?

"Atheism, A Case Against God" by George Smith

Other authors: Christopher Hitchens

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» RE: OK, But Science has No Morality? Posted by: LeftCoastProgressive
Religion is obsolete.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 22, 2008 5:48 AM   
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Science fully replaces religion but science is not a religion. Science is a process
and method of determining truth by doing Scientific experiments and a simple
absolute lack of faith and religion. Nature isn't just the final authority on truth,
Nature is the Only authority. There are zero human authorities. Scientists do not
vote on what is the truth. There is only one vote and Nature owns it. We find out
what Nature's vote is by doing Scientific [public and replicable] experiments.
Scientific [public and replicable] experiments are the only source of truth. [To be
public, it has to be visible to other people in the room. What goes on inside one
person's head isn't public unless it can be seen on an X-ray or with another
instrument.] Science is the ultimate Protestant Reformation in which Religion is
reformed out of existence.

If you want to know the truth about morals and ethics, go to a library and look up
sociobiology or Sciobio. Sociobiology is a new branch of Science but there are
already hundreds of books on it. The origin of the Universe is the subject of
Cosmology which is part of astronomy which is part of the science of physics.
Science has taken over all of the jurisdictions formerly reserved for religion and
philosophy. Philosophy and religion are obsolete.

ANY culture that goes unmodified for 1000 years will endanger its practitioners.
In all of those civilizations that fell, failure to adapt to new circumstances and
failure to foresee problems that had not been experienced in living memory or in
written memory helped cause the downfall. SCIENCE is what enables us to
foresee problems that have never happened to people before. Paleontology tells
us about problems that happened hundreds of millions of years ago. God will not
solve our problems because there is no such critter. We have to solve our own
problems or go extinct. We know a lot about gravity. We can certainly measure
and compute gravity. God is not measurable and therefore does not exist.

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» RE: ligion is obsolete? Posted by: craigandrew
Thank you, Sarah Posner
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 22, 2008 5:54 AM   
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I recommend seeing the PBS series by Jonathan Miller:
"A BRIEF HISTORY OF DISBELIEF."

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Jan 22, 2008 6:03 AM   
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There's no such thing as god. Just several billion people who are afraid of dying and the amoral parasites who feed on them.

Direct Democracy will place Americans in the decision loop and give them the power to decide their own destinies.

Direct Democracy, now

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» RE: Terrorist///Mob rule? Posted by: nightgaunt
» RE: Terrorist///Mob rule? Posted by: HeKnew
All preachers belong in jail for grand theft.
Posted by: AsteroidMiner on Jan 22, 2008 6:06 AM   
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As a sophomore undergraduate student in Physics, your homework may include
figuring out when the second coming would be required, assuming that the bible
was 100% true in the year zero. That is, when would the bible be down to 50%
true? The popular and professors' answer in 1965 was the year 500. The true
answer: A friend of mine was born and raised in Budapest, Hungary. As an adult,
he came here and stayed. After 25 years, he visited his home town of Budapest.
He was unable to communicate with his high school classmates because the
Hungarian language had changed so much. The correct answer is less than 25
years. The first gospel was not written down until 50 years after the alleged
events and then in a different language. The people who told the story were at
about the same level of civilization as "wild Indians", I mean Native Americans
before Columbus got here. We have all played or seen played the game called
"Telephone" in which a story is passed down a line of re-tellers. By the Sixth re-
telling, the story has no resemblance to the original. The gospel story had to have
been re-told at least 6 times before it was mis-translated the first time. [Note that
whoever wrote it down the first time was free to write whatever he wanted to.
The storytellers were illiterate and unable to check his written text by reading it.
Besides that, he wrote in Greek rather than Aramaic.] Conclusion: There is no
truth anywhere in the bible, and there never was. There is no way to know what
"jesus" or "mohammed" or any other such character actually said or did.

ALL of the jurisdictions that were formerly in the jurisdiction of religion have
been taken over by Science. There is no longer a need to debate the issue.
Religion is an unfortunate side effect of having evolved from a chimpanzee-like
animal in a very brief 6 or 7 million years. "God" will not save us from the
consequences of global warming or an asteroid impact or a tornado because there
is no such critter as "god.".] Ethics and morality are instinctive, not derived from
religion. Female instinct has greater force in morality than male instinct because
the female is in command of the sexual encounter. Look up "Sociobiology". The
origin of the Universe is the subject of Cosmology which is part of astronomy
which is part of the science of physics.
Religion is a SCAM. ANY religion, there are 10,000 to choose from at any one
time. People keep inventing new religions [for the benefit of the "prophet," of
course] and forgetting other religions. ALL preachers, priests, imams, rabbis,
iatolas, etc. belong in jail for "grand theft, bunko type".

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» All Preachers? Posted by: garry minor
» I hope you are a teacher Posted by: davidg
Freud: Mankind Needs to Be Wiped off Earth for the New Species
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 22, 2008 6:14 AM   
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Nobody who wants to steal or kill themselves is going to be stopped by sociobiological theory that is controversial anyway. Your left with science having deposed of God, but people having no way of coping with the fact that life is going to be downhill till you die. Freud is the one who saw religion as a necessary delusion for the masses. Of course, millions have been killed because of it, but how do you know millions more would not be dead otherwise? As for evolutionary theory, mankind might just be another dead-end, as Freud thought. And, as a dead-end, it just needs to wipe itself off the Earth for the new species. Just as valid as the sociobiological outlook. Finally, religion might be delusion, but a necessary delusion to many.

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» Stopping misdeeds Posted by: BlueTigress
» RE: Stopping misdeeds Posted by: sofla100
» RE: Stopping misdeeds Posted by: sofla100
In God We Trust
Posted by: lc on Jan 22, 2008 6:20 AM   
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The Dollar does not say "In Jesus We Trust." God created all of US on earth and the Dollar to control all of US on earth. God and the Dollar are one in the same reducing Jesus to a marketing program to control US.
The Big Three Religions are the cause of most of the bloodshed going on everywhere today. All three follow the same "Covenant" with a "lord from above" who convinced Abraham to cut off the end of his cock and try to kill his infant son, Isaac.
What's in your pants? If Mr. Winkie is bald then you are part and parcel of the same Covenant no matter how much you curse and swear about religion. Men fight and think like cocks blindly fighting each other to the death. For What? My God is better than your god? The fun thing about the first 5 books of the Old Testament is that they were "made by computer." Hard to accept but after several years studying the Bible Code I have found the truth to be devastating. Google for 'bible code' and follow the matrix. Use your big head instead of your little head "they" have used to control US forever. Google 'bible code' if you dare to explore what is really going on. Where there is smoke there is bound to be fire and brimstone. Now is the beginning time for the return of the Red Dragon.
IM
Belteshazzar

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» RE: In God We Trust Posted by: BlueTigress
» Frogs Posted by: Cathyc
"We Shall Not Be Free
Posted by: Diego on Jan 22, 2008 6:32 AM   
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until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last priest".

Don't know penned that little gem but it sure seems to fit.

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» RE: "We Shall Not Be Free Posted by: bitsfick
What can I say?
Posted by: zooeyhall on Jan 22, 2008 6:34 AM   
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This is friggin' NUTS!!!!!!!

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» RE: What can I say? Posted by: bifheart
» RE: What can I say? Posted by: Cathyc
Cassandra
Posted by: Hoot on Jan 22, 2008 7:30 AM   
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So strange to read about Jan and Paul Crouch. Both my mother and my uncle worked for TBN in Orange County when it first began. She was paid minimum wage as a 'receptionist'. She also cooked for the entire staff daily, cleaned the Crouch's home, ironed their clothes and took care of their dogs without pay.
She was a true believer and was taken advantage of in many ways. Over time, even she began to question how money was being used in the 'ministry' to pay for lavish vacations, cars, and Jan's extensive (and expensive) wig collection and clothing.
She witnessed 'donations' of furniture and other valuable items that never reached the intended
'needy' people, but instead went home with one of the 'staff'.
How very sad that so many true believers get caught in this web of self interest and manipulation in the name of God.
God, save me from your followers! C.

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» Save me from my mother... Posted by: Cathyc
I live just a few blocks from
Posted by: lepidopteryx on Jan 22, 2008 8:00 AM   
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the Jimmy Swaggart megaplex, and I still can't believe that people still look to him as a spiritual leader and send him money.
He wears designer suits and shoes, a Rolex, and drives a Benz, then gets on the air and tells people that he needs them to send money because the ministry can't make the note on the new radio station it just bought.
And his son talks about how it doesn't matter if you have unexpected expenses like your car breaking down. You need to send the church at least 10% of your gross income and trust God to provide the means to get your car fixed.
I even heard them say once that people should not give money to non-Christian relief organizations. Their logic was that if you gave a hungry person food, but didn't convince him to give his soul to Jesus, then all you were doing was sending him to hell with a full stomach.

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Accountability?
Posted by: Babygoat on Jan 22, 2008 8:30 AM   
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