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If Tobacco Regulation Works, Why Not Regulate Marijuana?

By Rob Kampia, AlterNet. Posted December 24, 2007.


If we really want to control marijuana and keep it away from kids, why not try a method that actually works?
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President Bush recently touted new survey results showing a modest drop in teen use of marijuana and other drugs, but he failed to mention the drug for which prevention efforts have had the most spectacular success -- tobacco. If he had, he might have had to make some troubling comparisons.

Citing the results of the annual Monitoring the Future survey, Bush noted that drug use has declined from its recent peak in 1996, but sidestepped the longer-term picture that doesn't look nearly so rosy.

If you go back 15 years, to 1992, drug use is up almost across the board. For example, in 1992, 3.7 percent of eighth-graders were current marijuana users, compared with 5.7 percent in 2007. For 12th-graders, the figures were 11.9 percent and 18.8 percent, respectively.

This contrasts sharply with the figures on adolescent cigarette use. Here, too, there was a bit of a rise in the mid-1990s, but overall, the trend is much more encouraging.

While marijuana use is higher among all age groups than it was 15 years ago, cigarette smoking has dropped remarkably. Among 12th-graders, current cigarette smoking has dropped from 27.8 percent in 1992 to 21.6 percent this year. For eighth-graders, the drop is even more dramatic, from 15.5 percent down to 7.1 percent.

And here's a figure that may be shocking: Among 10th-graders, 14.0 percent currently smoke cigarettes, while 14.2 percent smoke marijuana. That's right: Slightly more 10th-graders now smoke marijuana than cigarettes.

The sharp drop in cigarette use is not attributable to changing attitudes about smoking. Teen disapproval of smoking is only marginally higher than it was in 1992, for all age groups.

So what accounts for the drop in tobacco use? The regulation of cigarette sales and marketing. As part of the Master Settlement Agreement with 46 states, cigarette companies agreed to stop outdoor advertising and to banish kid-friendly characters such as Joe Camel. Even more important, we as a nation got serious about reducing tobacco sales to kids.

In 1992, Congress passed the Synar Amendment, requiring states to enact and enforce laws prohibiting sale of tobacco products to youth under the age of 18, and setting up unannounced inspections of retail outlets. The program has worked spectacularly well. In 1997, inspectors found that over 40 percent of retailers were violating the ban on cigarette sales to kids. By 2006, the violation rate had dropped to just 10.9 percent, and it's still dropping.

So what does this have to do with marijuana?

Simply put, we have leverage over tobacco sellers that we don't have with marijuana dealers. Because tobacco retailers and producers are licensed and regulated, we have some control over them. If they want to keep their lucrative businesses, cigarette merchants have a strong incentive to follow the laws -- even laws they don't like.

Consider this: As part of their reaction to the Synar Amendment, tobacco retailers adopted a "voluntary" program called "We Card." Today, virtually any store that sells cigarettes posts a large, brightly colored sign saying, "Under 18, No Tobacco. We Card."

Have you ever seen a marijuana dealer with a "We Card" sign?

If we want to control teen access to marijuana, it's time to learn a lesson from our success with tobacco. Contrary to the mythology put out by Drug Czar John Walters and his ilk, the complete prohibition of marijuana for adults not only doesn't help to keep marijuana away from kids, but it actually hampers such efforts.

Regulation works. Prohibition deprives authorities of the best tools available to successfully regulate sales and marketing. Prohibition has handed the entire, annual $113 billion marijuana industry over to unregulated criminals, with entirely predictable consequences.

If we really want to control marijuana and keep it away from our kids, it's time to bring it within the law and regulate it as we do tobacco.

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Rob Kampia is executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, DC.

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Its just so OBVIOUS...
Posted by: cordas on Dec 24, 2007 1:32 AM   
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Isn't it.... Or are we missing some part of the grander scheme that makes prohibition the answer?

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» RE: Its just so OBVIOUS... Posted by: donl51
» RE: Its just so OBVIOUS... Posted by: cordas
» RE: Its just so OBVIOUS... Posted by: Chromedome2000
» RE: Its just so OBVIOUS... Posted by: donl51
I don't think this is very realistic or helpful
Posted by: Rune on Dec 24, 2007 1:58 AM   
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Part of the reason for the reduction in teen smoking is that cigarettes have become so heavily taxed that it is more difficult to afford them. Also, as mentioned, cigarettes are not so easily purchased by teens as they once were, even if they can afford them.

Marijuana is a different situation. Teens can and do simply find isolated places to grow small quantities for there own use. (And, yes, some of them grow more and sell it, too.) It really wouldn't matter if marijuana was made legal and regulated for adults, for teens it would still be illegal and the same methods of growing, sharing, and selling it among friends would still be practical and economical.

I am not convinced that there is a great solution to this if, by a solution, we mean that there is an affordable and reasonable way to prevent teens from using marijuana without unreasonable limits on their social development and transition to (hopefully) well adjusted adults.

Perhaps a better point of focus would be on harm reduction for all users rather than prevention of marijuana use among adults. In other words, there needs to be more exploration of when and how to regulate certain behaviors in certain settings when people are high instead of assuming that by limiting access to marijuana to those who are adults and taking organized crime out of the growing and distribution end, everything will work out fine. It won't. Not selling dope to kids makes sense, but promoting healthy and socially positive behaviors among adult users (including some awareness about not lighting up in the company of children, as is commonly done with tobacco and alcohol) will yield more benefits for more than just young people.

We need to do a lot of work on developing conventions for the settings and occasions when marijuana use is acceptable if we are to recognize it as a socially permissible means of altering one's consciousness for recreational purposes. We are already seeing quite a lot of friction over that aspect of tobacco smoking. With marijuana, which has much greater mind altering affects, the considerations are more far reaching and can be more complicated. We will need to do a lot of thinking and discussing to work that out.

So far, most people have not given a lot of thought to that because marijuana remains illegal and taboo in broad public forums, yet not subject to a whole lot of dialog and contemplation about when and around whom it might be best to resist the urge to get high within social circles that share a joint or a pipe with friends and acquaintances.

I think a proactive approach to developing harm reduction conventions for legal marijuana use would be much more fruitful and progressive than trying to equate pot with tobacco in any way. First of all, the two are very different in terms of addictive properties, health consequences, psychoactive effects, and the motivations of users. But more importantly, I don't think tobacco regulations are nearly as effective as they are made out to be in this article. The facts are that smoking remains relatively popular with today's young people and most adult smokers begin their habit when they are in their teens, while most people who have not begun smoking until they are adults probably never will.

There are sound reasons for legalizing marijuana. There are problems with marijuana use, especially among the young, that exist today and will not go away just because marijuana is made legal. But to get the most out of legalization, we need to think in terms of settings and occasions when it is not OK to use it and be ready with regulations and education campaigns (to be paid for with some of this marijuana taxes that are to come with regulations) that will do more for harm reduction than prohibitions on who, if anyone, can buy the stuff.

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Constitution was written on hemp paper
Posted by: Reader11722 on Dec 24, 2007 3:42 AM   
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War on drugs, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov't. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like America Deceived (book) from Amazon.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting 2 illegal wars based on lies and on behalf of a foriegn gov't.
Support Dr. Ron Paul (he's for legalization) and save this country.

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» your kidding right?... Posted by: Bearzerker
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Simple
Posted by: chomsky on Dec 24, 2007 3:51 AM   
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Regulation would kill the business...
So, the people into this business don't want regulation.
As said previously, what is made illegal is made expensive.
Who profits: the drug dealers, and whoever provides them with the drugs...
In related news, since the NATO invaded Afghanistan, poppy crops are blooming. Thanks NATO!
Would be amazing to realise that the CIA is into the drug business (see the ex-CIA plane crash in Mexico, carrying 3.2 tons of cocaine)...

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» No, No, No, No, noooooo... Posted by: Bearzerker
» RE: Simple Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Simple Posted by: chomsky
» RE: Simple Posted by: jroth420
» RE: Simple Posted by: ALANHESTER
Up in Smoke
Posted by: jmmartin on Dec 24, 2007 4:26 AM   
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Hear! Hear! Great idea. The so-called "war on drugs" is nothing if not a war on sanity. We've wasted a gazillion dollars on enforcement when what was needed was treatment for addiction and regulation of an industry that is part of the underground economy. If we legalized drugs and taxed them as we tax liquor and tobacco (heavily, because such levies are labeled "sin taxes"), we could fund SCHIPS, rebuild the entire infrastructure of the U.S. (no more collapsing bridges!), and fund universal health care.

We would also put organized crime out of the drug distribution business and guarantee pureness of product such that there would be fewer if any health problems associated with stepped-on merchandise, "hot shot" overdoses, &c. In the case of marijuana alone, one could walk into a Walgreen's or CVS and plop down, say, $50 for a pack of "Acapulco Gold" knowing that quality would be high (you should pardon the expression) and that, since marijuana is a weed that costs next to nothing to cultivate, about $5 would go into production and packaging and $45 would go into the tax coffers.

Border customs agents readily admit that 90% of all drugs get through, meaning that only 10% of the billions that have been spent on enforcement have done any "good." The only thing going up in smoke is our dollar, which, come to think of it, ain't worth a whole lot anyway.

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» RE: Up in Smoke Posted by: Lauren
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Well, tobacco regulation hasn't worked so well...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Dec 24, 2007 6:03 AM   
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If you go into any convenience store, you'll see the latest tobacco marketing campaign aimed at kids: sugary, flavored cigars.

Basically, the only people who become pack-a-day smokers are people who start smoking in their teens. The tobacco lobby knows this, so they focus heavily on trying to get kids addicted. See tobaccofreekids.org

Speaking of kids and tobacco, here's an eye-opener: "Exposure of young children working on Mexican tobacco plantations to organophosphorous and carbamic pesticides, indicated by cholinesterase depression." source. Those tobacco fields are controlled by Philip Morris and British-American tobacco, according to some web sites.

All in all, the tobacco business kills a lot more people than anything else. The #1 cause of death in the U.S. is tobacco. Half a million people a year. Tobacco's active compound, nicotine is a virulent poison - the people who make the nicotine patches have to work in the equivalent of space suits to avoid poisoning themselves.

The thing about cannabis is that is effective in small amounts, can be taken orally, and has many medical benefits for cancer patients, AIDS patients, chronic pain sufferers, and also is effective for people with clinical depression. Smoking anything isn't good for your lungs, but the fact is that tobacco smoke is far worse than cannabis smoke.

The most important thing about drugs is telling kids the truth about them - which doesn't happen. How many school 'anti-drug' programs include tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceuticals? How many kids are drugged up on amphetamine derivatives every day (Ritalin, Adderall, etc.)? How many studies have been done tracking the connection between childhood Ritalin use and adult methamphetamine addiction?

The marketing of drugs to kids is indeed out of control - but the main culprits here are not 'marijuana dealers', but rather the alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical industries.

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» "BIG PHARMA" feeds off "BIG TOBACKGO' Posted by: tokerdesigner
Hell No
Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Dec 24, 2007 6:19 AM   
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we cannot legalize. We cannot go soft on sin. You want to get high? Get high on Jesus or alcohol. And besides, we can't let those Godly men who invested their hard earned money in construction equipment to build our prisons lose money. It wouldn't be fair.

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» RE: Hell No Posted by: PJAW
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» RE very funny! Posted by: boydranchitos
» ahhhhhh... this is Satire! Posted by: Bearzerker
Psychological Reactance
Posted by: Gravitas on Dec 24, 2007 6:42 AM   
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Social psychologists have a theory called psychological reactance. Oversimplified, when something is taken away from us, we want it more. An example straight from the text, there was a town in Florida that passed a law that required everyone to carry a gun. Gun ownership actually went DOWN in that town because people resented the choice being taken away. When something is forbidden, we want it more. We demonstrated this with prohibition.

The trouble is we pick and choose how to apply this priniciple according to our political bent. "Liberals" see that making marijuana illegal increases its appeal. The same thing with abstinence education. Tell young adults to NEVER have sex before marriage, ban birth control, and you are inviting parenthood. Ironically, when it comes to the recent cupcake ban for holiday parties in school, many people support them. Same principle! Tell kids cupcakes are forbidden and you are equating them with rebellion and a way to spite parents and brain dead school officials. The principle is the same, junk food is just the demon of the left the way drugs and sex are the demons of the right.

Back to marijuana, I agree with the author. We should at least try a limited experiment with making it legal and see what happens. Certainly, current laws are not curtailing its use.

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» RE: Psychological Reactance Posted by: daniel1982
Replying to the Title
Posted by: edaw on Dec 24, 2007 6:52 AM   
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It's not a given that tobacco regulation works. Marketing to children is easy, as advertisers know. Under the guise of doing their part tobacco companies slyly tempt children with tobacco as a badge of growing up, telling them are too young for it. Why? Because children are their only market and future; no adults are starting the unhealthy habit of taking up tobacco; and for these huge companies it's strictly business...staying in business...to keep the big money flowing in!

We refuse to legalize marijuana for the same reason: too much money rolling in. Organized crime circles are not the only beneficiaries of this larder. Some of our judicial system feeds on it and a large part of our policing armature is oiled by it, legally and not.

Like tobacco and alcohol use, marijuana use is a health issue, not a regulation or police issue. Education of the public, especially including children in the process, is the only way to go. We have to find the ambition to improve the health of our children in spite of the towering invisible edifice in place that exploits their innocent growth and development.

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Marijuana doesn't kill people. People KILL people.
Posted by: tomnanto on Dec 24, 2007 7:00 AM   
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Besides, marijuana has fewer harmful effects on the mind and the body. Try telling me that it's worse than junk food, alcohol, tobacco, Big Pharma drugs such as viagra, etc ... and I'll bet no one can come close to proving it.

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Its the Bottom Line
Posted by: lc on Dec 24, 2007 7:03 AM   
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Alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceutical special interests contribute the majority of funding needed to support the Partnership for a Drug Free America whose advertising was 98% attacks against marijuana.
Marijuana is the greatest threat to all three of these interests because it is both a medicine and a relaxant. No wonder the government arrests almost a million pot heads a year but hard drugs get little attention unless it is crack sold by blacks. Hippies and Blacks make up the drug prison population. The prison industry rules politicians. Drug arrests are a safe bust for cops and make for easy to handle prisoners. All we are is fodder for the greedy to grind US into poverty while they bank the $$$.
God gave US the "Green Herb" and it so states it in Genesis yet conservatives fail to note the singular importance of "the green herb' also being given to Noah after he flopped up on dry land. God put neuron receptors in our brain that accept only the THC molecule. The receptors are unique because they also have ganglia which extend into other parts of the brain yet to be scientifically quantified. In other words, God's Green Herb was meant to reach our higher consciousness, the part of our brain most feared by those who control US. No wonder marijuana gets all the attention when there has never been one recorded death attributable to marijuana in thousands of years of recorded usage. Contrast that against aspirin which causes about 100 deaths a year, or any acceptable prescription drug that is available when only 25% efficacy can be expected from most pills.
Marijuana would send the Big Three drug industries into financial red line. It is only chump change to them to pay off politicians to imprison the rest of US just so they can keep their prophets.
IM
Belteshazzar

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» RE: Its the Bottom Line Posted by: mr.ed
» RE: Its the Bottom Line Posted by: Lauren
As bad as it being illegal is
Posted by: Joe on Dec 24, 2007 7:21 AM   
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liberals will make it so much worse. 2 areas liberals will f... up as usual. a)public safety(aka regulation), b) taxes which both equal anti free business.

by time liberals finish with heavy regulation in the interest of public health and safety, taxes and anti business legislation the only companies that will be able to sell marijuana are the major players in the cigarette business. local growers or individuals will killed off with public safety regulation and taxes.

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» you say liberal like... Posted by: Bearzerker
Rune's right, 'marijuana' isn't tobacco.
Posted by: P.E.A.C.E. on Dec 24, 2007 8:15 AM   
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First of all, growing high grade ganja is easy. Growing tobacco isn't.

The best reason to end prohibition is that it's counter-productive. Cannabis agriculture is a promising solution to many areas of critical imbalance. In particular, food security, nutrition and climate change.

Google "global broiling" or visit

www.californiacannabisministry.blogspot.com

to learn more.

PvH

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Enlist tobacco companies
Posted by: daniel1982 on Dec 24, 2007 8:44 AM   
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I'm sure they would love to create, market and distribute legal marijuana, especially since there's a lot of heat on tobacco.

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A few thoughts on the matter
Posted by: willymack on Dec 24, 2007 9:06 AM   
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It seems that even with a very large boatload of good information about the harmful effects of booze, dope, and tobacco, a signifigant portion of our population go right ahead and blow smoke or deliver the means to their bodies to get their heads bad in other ways. This fact of human nature is ignored by knotheads posing as our moral "superiors", so dope dealers are getting richer than ever. It never occurs to those in the Ivory Tower that if leagalized and TAXED AND REGULATED in a sensible manner, we could probably erase the deficit and make real progress toward paying off the national debt, or, maybe they DO know this and don't want it to happen.

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» Please don't say "DOPE" any more Posted by: tokerdesigner
mick3
Posted by: mick3 on Dec 24, 2007 9:16 AM   
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Pot is god's gift to suffering humanity. It relieves anger, anxiety, pain, and insomnia, while fostering cooperation, appreciation, and good humor, i.e., brotherhood, in fact. And clearly, it was intended to be free, since it grows as a weed, and just about anywhere.

How is it that the State knows what is best for every single person? How is it that we are no longer able to die when we choose, or choose not to be a parent, or do harmless things in the privacy of our own homes? Mostly, it is the religions. Religions insert themselves into every facet of followers' lives, so that no matter what you're doing, you're always wondering if the church approves, or what the punishment will be for this, that, and the other thing. Or if you've practiced some absurdity enough, i.e., lighting candles. Except for providing a nice income for the church, lighting a candle is a meaningless act, but has been made almost sacrosanct among certain believers.

Between religion and politics, our laws do not reflect the democracy of a free people, or anything close to it. They reflect others' desire to control your life, to force you to accept their opinions, beliefs, and fears. Especially fears. All organized religions rely on fear to hold power and wealth.

Pot is a threat to those institutions. It encourages philosophical thought and, as mentioned, brotherhood, of which so little is heard in churches these days. And it was meant to be free. It's only detriment is to those who would choose to be high on anything, and most of those are alcoholics, destroying their organs along with their brains.

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» RE: mick3 Posted by: LeaderofMen
Marajuana is a nice house plant
Posted by: billwald on Dec 24, 2007 9:25 AM   
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Marajuana is a nice house plant and drying the leaves should not be a problem. A tobacco leaf is 4 or 5 feet long and processing it is a pain in the butt.

The tobacco growing was recently deregulated and always was legal in not grown for resale but I don't know of anyone in my neighborhood who grows his own ciggybutts.

Ciggybutt smokers could save dollars every day but are to lazy. I heard a person standing in a welfare line trying to convince others to save money this way but was not successful. I guess pot smokers are more industrious.

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» I was a volunteer Posted by: billwald
Excellent Book on the Subject
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Dec 24, 2007 9:57 AM   
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This book explains a lot about the origins of the war on drugs and other 'wars' that are doing nothing but sucking the treasury dry:

Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in a Free Society
by Peter McWilliams

Paperback: 692 pages
Publisher: Mary Books (June 30, 1996)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 192976717X
ISBN-13: 978-1929767175

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Marijuana Reduces Intelligence (of Those Opposed to Its Use)
Posted by: cyberfactotum on Dec 24, 2007 10:13 AM   
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It's a big problem. Not easily solvable. There have been many studies done: pot observably reduces the intelligence of those opposed to its use.

Don't believe me? Try talking reasonably (or corresponding) with such a person. The so-called discussion will either steadily devolve due to the opposer's dwindling intelligence in the face of the raw facts, or it will never get off the ground in the first place because the opposer's reasoning is not up to the task.

It's sad but true.

Don't let this happen to anyone you know. We can't afford it. There is too much unintelligence in the world already to allow it to increase.

It's sort of a stepping stone progression, unfortunately. First people will be opposed to marijuana and get stupider. Then they will become opposed to something like eating healthy, organic foods and their intelligence will drop further, even to the point of banning some of the most health giving foods--raw greens, raw almonds, raw milk, for instance (as is actually happening now in California and other parts of the U.S.).

Then people will become opposed to global and local peace and their intelligence will literally plummet. They will go on to become opposed to effective and freedom-empowering laws, leaders and politicians.

From there, there is no telling where things will go. Perhaps opposition to beliefs and religions that are actually loving and compassionate and wise, in favor of those that can be twisted to be violent, body-negative, and dogmatic? You say this can't happen? Perhaps it's too unimaginable? Believe me, it can.

And on and on to things like opposition to scientific suppositions and facts, such as evolution, "arguing" instead that the world is just a few thousand years old. Or maybe opposition to shepherding the planet well, in favor of polluting it as fast as possible and and raping it for all its worth.

The opposers' intelligence peters out bit by bit. And where will that leave us all?

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Marge Rudman
Posted by: Marge Rudman on Dec 24, 2007 10:33 AM   
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Well, simply decriminalizing pot and opening it up to commercialization would have a myriad of effects and unintended consequences. I'm in favor of the idea and would like to live long enough to watch what happens next. Taxing marijuanna sales is fine with me as long as it is also legal to grow your own. Just as it is now legal to brew your own beer. How long would it be before some company begins adding subtances to the marijuanna to increase its effect and/or make it addictive? A tremendous savings in law enforcement and internment would certainly be realized. However, I really doubt that a decline in teen pot smoking would result.
Anything to legalize this substance has to be a step in the right direction.

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» RE: Marge Rudman Posted by: Lauren
Gene Tinelli, MD
Posted by: Dr T on Dec 24, 2007 1:56 PM   
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When we prohibit something, we have only one world, prohibition. We give up the chance to regulate it, sort of a "zero tolerance" for regulation.

With legalization, we have multiple worlds of flexibility for drugs policy. We can keep cocaine where it is, legal and tightly regulated to the medical profession for certain procedures. We can regulate "psychedelics" initially to research and clinical pharmacotherapy for certified practitioners. We can leave alcohol and tobacco with about the same regulations and have marijuana regulated somewhere between them and caffeine, whose main regulation is that it be listed on the label for any product that contains it.

Three steps are needed:

1. Abolish the Drug Enforcement Agency. They set the guidelines by determining the classes (I-V) for controlled substances. Since law enforcement personnel staff the DEA, in America we have cops telling docs what is and what is not proper medicine. For anyone who doesn't think this is insane, the next time you or a loved one gets sick, call a cop.

2. Have the drug classes under the jurisdiction of the Food and Drug Administration.

3. Eliminate Schedule I substances, those with a alleged high abuse potential and "no medical use" such as marijuana, MDMA (ecstasy) and heroin and move them all into Schedule II, prescription drugs.

Only then can we start to have a rational drugs policy and we can end our losing efforts in an unenforceable war on drugs.

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Ask Big Tobacco. No--better yet, ask me. Because I kicked the smoking habit cold 35 years ago...
Posted by: jvaljon1 on Dec 24, 2007 1:57 PM   
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By smoking grass for one weekend. No--this wasn't any ten cigs/day habit that I had. In a 20-hour day, I usually put away FOUR PACKS OF PALL MALLS. Four.

When I quit, it was on a dare. I quit on Friday--and immediately lit up a joint when I felt the urge to smoke. And another. And another...(aside--pick a time when you won't be called on to drive. Obviously...) At the end of the weekend, I was not only cig-free but grass-free as well. I couldn't even look at either a cigarette OR a joint. And unless you count the 10 lbs I gained (and lost the following week) there were no ill effects to me.

Ill effects to Reynolds? Hmmm...at the time, cigs were $.75/pk. Lessee--X 4, = $3.00/day that they lost off me. Now stay with me--$3/day, X 365 days (wait, for this I need the calculator) = $1,095/yr. Now we're getting into serious money--I've been smoke-free since 1975, so, lessee....$1,095.00 X 32(yrs) = WOW! That's $35,040.00 that Reynolds Tobacco has NOT made off of me in the past 32 years! All because of (as I remember) $50.00 worth of marijuana that I used to help me quit!

Now try some multiplication, whilst I tell you something else. Back in the 60s, Ligget-Meyers and RJ Reynolds were all primed for the legalization of marijuana. Back then, the drug revolution, etc, etc--they were expecting it to the extent that they set aside fields in North Carolina to grow the stuff so that they could market it. Then--all of a sudden, there came this complete about-face--The War On Drugs. And the whole marijuana initiative was scrapped, and the set-aside fields were planted once more with tobacco. My guess is, that a whole lot of people kicked the habit by using grass, and the Big Tobacco looked down the road, shaking in their shoes--did the math, and firmly got behind the ANTI-legalization forces. Can't blame them for that business decision, LOL!

Update--I'm 69 years old. Pushing 70, hard. NO cancer. Half my immediate family passed from various forms of cancer--I also got cancer, 3 times but it grew slowly and was caught early. I get checkups 2x yr--so far, so good! I do credit the fact that I'm still here, relatively healthy--for that decision to quit 32 years ago.

To those of you who wish to try quitting, I say the best of luck, from the bottom of my heart. I can't say who'll get my results (remember, I didn't even take quitting seriously, like I said, I did it on a bet and that was my only motivation--to win the bet)

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Rob, come on...
Posted by: pizzmoe on Dec 24, 2007 3:40 PM   
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What's the matter with you? You're being way too logical!

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Merry Christmas!
Posted by: Lauren on Dec 24, 2007 5:34 PM   
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It is all about religionI LOVE this song. I hope you like us Indians. We love you. Or at least we try to, it is hard to love those who mistreat you. Isn't this a beautiful song?

Merry Christmas everyone! Happy Kwanzaa!

I danced out across the street a couple of days ago in front of the postman. Dancing a blueman, he shook his head at me the day before, I in my Cannabis College Sweat shirt. So I danced him. Of course I took a shield.

Getting real with the federal offices, one person at a time. I had a private laugh wondering if he filed a homeland insecurity report on me. Maybe he did. It was my drug war shield. The one with the red cross on a white background, yellow center, Blueman's tail, green circles. It is a beautiful shield, it should be photographed and put in the newspaper's religion page. I am doing something. I am real.

Yeah right, who cares?

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You Can Drunk Drive and Kill, But Better Not Smoke That "Evil" Dope!
Posted by: sofla100 on Dec 24, 2007 8:23 PM   
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Even for those whose lives are the most successful there are going to be times when life sucks. There are going to be times when you get fired or laid off from a job, don't get a job you wanted, your kid or spouse tells you "go to hell," your boss hates your guts, you get sick, or you run out of money and you just find out your house is now worth $100,000 less then it was a few months ago.

Such times are going to be unbearable for most anyone and societies way of acceptable coping for you is to tell you it is ok to go out and have a drink or two. But, you better not go get and smoke some dope. Otherwise, if the drug enforcement police come along, you are going to have even more problems.

So, you can go out to the bar, booze it up to forget your troubles, and then on the way home, plough your car into the back end of a school bus and snuff out the lives of a couple children. Yo