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In Defense of Ron Paul*

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted November 29, 2007.


*Ron Paul's a wingnut, yes, but he's an anti-empire, anti-war wingnut who doesn't believe the president should be king.

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Ron Paul has arrived, thanks in large part to the unrivaled intensity of his supporters. In the weeks since his dedicated -- some say obsessive -- online army organized a "money bomb" that delivered over $4 million in a single day to Paul's war chest, his quixotic campaign has gotten a boatload of media attention. It is officially the quirky, nontraditional candidate story of the 2008 race. If the campaign pulls off the $10 million "tea party" planned for Dec. 16, the spotlight on Paul will get hotter still.

With that attention comes a new level of scrutiny, as one would expect. But most of the media's analyses don't put the Paul "sensation" into a larger context. Often missing is the degree to which Paul's popularity is related to Washington's structural inability to handle the issues most important to American voters -- a flaw that extends to the corporate media as well. Lacking that context, the criticism flung at the Paul campaign is superficial and distracting.

Progressive bloggers have started to take notice of the insurgent campaign as well, and there's been a spasm of critical posts slicing and dicing the Ron Paul experience. Unfortunately, too many of them have focused not on Paul's record, his beliefs or why he's become such a phenomenon in the race for the White House, but on his supporters, who include a nasty little assortment of feverish nativists, half-baked ultranationalists, white supremacists, New World Order conspiracy theorists, etc., in addition to the (no doubt far more numerous) ordinary, pissed-off patriotic Americans who are attracted to his candidacy.

So we've recently discovered that Ron Paul is backed by: people minting their own "cuckoo bananas money" and members of an identity theft ring. We've learned that "Paul has the support of David Duke" and Stormfront has a YouTube audio commercial up supporting Paul. Also supporting him are the "Patriot" movement "nutjobs with guns and anti-government leanings" who were made famous by homegrown terrorist Timothy McVeigh. He's loved by the owner of a Nevada whorehouse and has even gotten the nod from Hutton Gibson, Mel's wingnut father and the man who taught him everything he ever needed to know about those damn Jews.

To which I can only say: OK, folks, we get it. If we accept guilt by association as a reasonable political argument, then Paul is as guilty as they come.

But not directly so. As the Wall Street Journal pointed out:

The Paul campaign has a hands-off approach when it comes to supporters' activities and political backgrounds. While grateful for the money, aides insist they aren't responsible for what supporters do online. "We don't know who a lot of these people are," says Jesse Benton, a campaign spokesman … "Sometimes Ron Paul supporters get a little overpassionate and maybe a little more shrill than what some might like," Mr. Benton says.

Of course, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and many of the bloggers making hay out of Paul's less savory supporters are happy to slam what the Clintons famously called the "politics of personal destruction" -- the tactic, popular on the right, of turning various public figures who support Democrats into pernicious liberal strawmen whose excesses are supposedly evidence of how out of touch progressives are.

But more than that, the typical analysis misses the fundamental dynamic driving Paul's popularity. His campaign occupies that political space where right- and left-populism intersect, and that space exists only because there are significant areas of national policy where neither of the two parties, nor any of the "mainstream" candidates, have shown any willingness to represent their constituents.


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No, he's not a wingnut, he's wrong.
Posted by: Jackrabbit on Nov 29, 2007 12:41 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't dismiss him because he is a fringe type candidate that appeals to everyone outside the beltway, dismiss him because he wants to get rid of every social program the government supports.

I'm surprised the rapeublicans are not giving him more support considering he wants to undo everything FDR put into place.

People who want a real alternative need to get turned on to Dennis Kucinich, the only honest politician out there.

» Ron Paul is a Fake !! Posted by: Radical Priest
» RE: Ron Paul is a Fake !! Posted by: carcinoid112
Bryce
Posted by: truthnews on Nov 29, 2007 12:47 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ron Paul raised $4.2 million on Nov. 5, the money bomb day. He raised nearly $2 mil by 10 a.m. that Monday morning.

» RE: Bryce - Does anybody know Posted by: UnEasyOne
Another fine article, Joshua
Posted by: vox persona on Nov 29, 2007 12:54 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Ron Paul just represents the disgust/disenchantment/disenfranchisement/disdain the electorate has in our 'leaders'. There is no way many would like him so much if every policy he's espoused actually became law. He would gore almost every ox in the stable. Libertarianism is attractive as a concept when making an anti-establishment statement, but for practical reasons his extreme style would not fly. Looking past the fact that he'd never make it through a traditionally right wing primary process, and having said all that, I'd still vote for him over any other Pug....as a protest vote like I've been doing all my life. As long as there was still a Democratic Congress and Senate to keep him in check. I may write him in if Hillary is the nominee. It would be interesting to see a Unity ticket of the two that don't stand a chance in their party's primaries.....Kucinich/Paul (in that order). Then we would see the disgruntled come out en masse to cast that protest vote....and maybe even WIN. But that may have the Nader effect, and elect another RePug. Fasten your seatbelts....it's going to be an interesting primary season. And with both sides disappointed in their horses, it may very well also be two interesting conventions. Stay tuned....(like you were going anywhere).

» RE: Another fine article, Joshua Posted by: Democritus
» Credit where it is due Posted by: jbur816
» RE: Holland for President! Posted by: Ripcord
Why I Would Never Support Ron Paul
Posted by: Dallas Suz on Nov 29, 2007 1:02 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I would never support Ron Paul because he is anti-choice. I support women's unrestricted access top abortion. I support Nationalized Health Insurance. I support government regulation of industry, banking and the environment.

To me he is just another Republican't. Libertarians want to be able to screw people over without restrictions.

Do not be taken in by him he is just another Reich Winger

» RE: Clear thinking needed Posted by: cyberben3d
» Right On Suz! Posted by: jackyD
I want a trio...
Posted by: chomsky on Nov 29, 2007 1:02 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I want a trio:
- Dennis Kucinich
- Ron Paul
- Mike Gravel

» RE: I want a trio... Posted by: progressive farmer ME
» Why not a duo? Posted by: dustdevil
Uninformed...?
Posted by: andyp2000 on Nov 29, 2007 1:13 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That was really a defense - it seems to me that people are trying to 'defend' him in order to attack him. He does not propose isolationst foreign policy. How many times do you want people to repeat it?

Because most americans love big government, most of the republican party runs on lower taxes and smaller government...right. Ok, no problem with that.

Paul's supporters tend to look up why Paul has voted for certain things. After learning about his position they often tend to support it. Let's look at that:
- against courts ruling against discrimination in private sector - because part of the civil liberties IS right to discriminate. You cannot run on pro-civil-liberties platform and be FOR anti-discrimination laws (those that ban discrimination in private sector)
- anti-affirmative action - that MEANS anti-racism
- anti-minimum wage - minimum wage causes higher unemployment, long-term unemployment - unexperienced people face problems getting employment. Anyway, it seems to me unconstitutional
- destroying SS - I thought that SS was working in FUNDING regime - that means that the funds should be there because Paul didn't vote to spend them...except the others did. Anyway, it's an interesting reason to criticize somone's position on the ground that greater civil liberties would destroy fraudulent government ponzi-scheme program. If you looked deeper at paul's position, you would have found out that he wants to finance it from the money saved in military. Actually, he is the only one who proposed a sensible plan to save the social security in the short term and reforming (i.e. destroying) it in the long term
- against anti-trust law - this law was predominantly used as a 'legal' way to harm successful competitors.
- out of UN - pro-american sovereignity
- anti-department of eduction - actually means pro-education
- anti preventive mental screening of kids...reminds me of fascism
- for lower taxes...uhhh... how is that a problem?

It would be very nice if the auther tried to understand Paul's reasoning behind these position. Paul makes great service of popularizing ideas that are unpopular however reasonable they might be. Criticizing him from the point of view of author's view of world without looking at Paul's reasoning seems to be more bad journalism than good one.

» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: andyp2000
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: benzene
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: andyp2000
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: Guy Montag
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: andyp2000
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: donneek
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: rocketman
» RE: Minimum wage Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Minimum wage Posted by: andyp2000
» RE: Uninformed...? Posted by: oregoncharles
» Dream on..... Posted by: rocketman
Libertarianism
Posted by: andyp2000 on Nov 29, 2007 1:19 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
"Libertarianism is attractive as a concept when making an anti-establishment statement, but for practical reasons his extreme style would not fly."

I have heard this in communist countries just before communism collapsed: Democracy is an attractive as a concept of making anti-establishment statement, but for practical reasons...

I don't understand what such an argument means. It means that Americans are so stupid that they would not vote for a libertarian program however practical that might be? Or that libertarianism is impractical however practical it is - according to many economists..?

» RE: Libertarianism Posted by: constitution, what constitution
» RE: Libertarianism Posted by: nochicagoboys
Shaky
Posted by: Monitor523 on Nov 29, 2007 2:23 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
There may be good arguments against Ron Paul's positions, but a lot of what's given here are not examples of them. For example: you say Americans like small government in the abstract, but regarding particular policies, they like what big government programs do. A parallel argument says that people might want to quit smoking/drinking/eating poorly, but when it comes to individual decisions at specific moments, they keep choosing differently. This isn't an argument against quitting smoking or eating more veggies, though - if anything, it's an argument that shorter-term concerns or desires often trump reasoned positions.

The idea that services currently provided by government can't be provided by "the private sector" seem to be based on a false dichotomy between the state and corporations. One could argue in this way that "the private sector" (meaning big corporations) can't be relied on to raise our children, and therefore we should entrust them to the state. If the other services mentioned aren't in a similar category, someone needs to make (or at least link to) the case for that position.

I'm not suggesting that everyone should have to defend every element of their political philosophy every time they open their mouths... I do think that the advantage of having someone like Paul running so visibly for office and having the kinds of successes he's having is that these issues are now available for political debate. But it seems like positions on them have ossified so firmly that the debate (on both sides) amounts to not much more than name-calling and appeals to ideology.

Pity, really. That principles behind positions are rarely discussed anymore is one reason America continues to degenerate.

» RE: Shaky Posted by: HeroesAll
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» RE: Shaky Posted by: andyp2000
» RE: Shaky Posted by: cyberben3d
» RE: Shaky Posted by: Thucy
» RE: Shaky Posted by: Thucy
» RE: Shaky Posted by: Monitor523
» RE: Shaky Posted by: Monitor523
» You made a point Posted by: swissliberal
Legitimate cause of concern and consternation.
Posted by: talkville on Nov 29, 2007 2:33 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Having lived many years ago in the part of Texas which launched Ron Paul, it's definitely worth digging, and digging very deeply into his politics and convictions. This person is as near a particular kind of "right" anarchism and wishes almost literally to abolish the State. His social views and background bear intense scrutiny as well. The 'ground-swell' surrounding his bid is not to be taken as positive by any means or measure. One individual in congress is not exactly the same as one individual in the executive branch -- especially these days!

Anti-state and small-state rhetoric and arguments have their place. This guy has the animus to abolish; he would replace 'government' there-by by.... what? Oh, let's see Corporations and "The Market" self-regulating and 'just' and oh so humane!

Especially given the temper, tempo, tone and mood in these times, all I can say is that the "populism" being aroused around this candidate is very far from re-assuring.

I'll only volunteer my single, individual and DEMOCRATIC opinion regarding this candidate: all things considered, no way.

» RE: Jefferson never said it Posted by: cyberben3d
Why Ron Paul is a Dangerous Lunatic
Posted by: davescott on Nov 29, 2007 3:50 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Here's environmental mag Grist magazine on Paul:
"Ron Paul.Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul doesn't spend much time talking about the environment; when he does address the issue, it's usually to say that our land, air, and water would be in better shape if the government butted out and let the free-market, private-property system run its course." The notion that we'd be better off letting Exxon or the mining and timber industries do as they please is flat-out moronic. Libertarians like Paul don't deal with the reality that the federal governemnt is the ONLY potential check on "free market" corporations running amok. Global warming is the worst example I can imagine of the failure of free markets to protect us from "external costs" like impacts on health, wildife and the Earth.

Remember George Wallace?
Posted by: Urstrly on Nov 29, 2007 3:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While I was willing to hear the case made that Ron Paul may be good for the Republican Party, I have to disagree with Holland that Congress would never pass any of his crazy proposals; look what Congress has done since 9/11!

Anyone who proposes stripping women completely of reproductive freedom and gives unchallenged haven to white supremacists is dangerous and should not be ignored. George Wallace gained a lot of support from this same crowd in 1968, and had he not been shot, he posed a serious threat to the hard-won battles of the civil rights movement. As it turned out, he still sucked off votes from Hubert Humphrey and helped elect Richard Nixon.

» Just Remember Posted by: uluro
» RE: emember George Wallace? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: emember George Wallace? Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: death by starvation Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: emember George Wallace? Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: emember George Wallace? Posted by: Turiye
Another of Alternets Irrelevant articles
Posted by: gdonald on Nov 29, 2007 4:29 AM   
Current rating: 1    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Talk about Whack jobs, nut heads and such. The author of this article is suffering from neurosis. Where does alternet find all the deranged who write so many of these feebleminded articles pretending to be so smart. Proves my point that this web site is for the mentally unstable and emotionally challenged. This is the ultra anti-government, ultra-supremicist website of them all. This person should be given an A for the most extreme form of creton logic.

» RE: Limbaugh/Rovian tactic Posted by: Ripcord
» RE: Limbaugh/Rovian tactic Posted by: nochicagoboys
» RE: Limbaugh/Rovian tactic Posted by: Turiye
» Again such entertainment Posted by: gdonald
» Hilarious Posted by: gdonald
» Creton: 'A' is for 'spellcheck' Posted by: eddie torres
» Thanks for falling for it Posted by: gdonald
Support For Ron Paul
Posted by: jackburns on Nov 29, 2007 4:34 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I find Paul somewhat appealing. His position on favoring private property over the environment is troubling, but otherwise, what he says makes a lot of sense.

Philosophically, I'm an anarchist and really don't see the need for Washington or their "social" programs. People can do these things without governments in their own communities. And please don't tell me that people are too stupid and ignorant to govern themselves and have to be lead along like sheep. Bullshit. Anarchism is the only truly egalitarian option. We're not ready for it on a wide scale just yet, but little pocket of anarchism (grass roots democracy) are popping up all over. Cooperatives, employee owned companies, community associations, community gardens, etc.

Abortion? The GOP isn't going to get rid of abortion. This is all a ruse to get hard core Xian support. These GOP folks want to make sure when little Buffy gets knocked up by a black dude while at she's supposed to be studying at Sweetbriar and dating some good W&L frat boy, they can safely have it "taken care of."

I prefer Kucinich over everyone, but Ron Paul is a pretty smart man.

The bottom line is this. Nothing is going to change in this country, regardless of who wins, until someone addresses growth ad infinitum economics. You can't have infinite growth in a world of finite resources. And, it all requires militarism. So, even with Hilliary or Obama, or certainly a Repug, the beat will go on and on.

“The absorption of unemployment and the maintenance of an adequate rate of profit would thus require the the stimulation of demand on an even larger scale, thereby stimulating the rat race of the competitive struggle for existence through the multiplication of waste, planned obsolescence, parasitic and stupid jobs and services.” Herbert Marcuse, A Guerrilla War Against The Establishment

“There is no feature of history more sad, no phase of human nature more dismal, than that innate desire in a man’s heart to rule over his fellow men. This ambition has been the curse of the world.”-Sarah E.V. Emery, Imperialism In America

» RE: Support For Ron Paul Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: Support For Ron Paul Posted by: jackburns
» RE: Support For Ron Paul Posted by: threecolors
» RE: Support For Ron Paul Posted by: Guy Montag
» RE: Support For Ron Paul Posted by: daniel1982
» Anarchists for Kucinich? Posted by: Monitor523
» Anarchists for Kucinich? Posted by: Monitor523
Rukidden
Posted by: okeydokey on Nov 29, 2007 4:56 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great defense of Ron Paul. I'm sure no one out there noticed the highly tongue in cheek arguments.

Well I won't defend Ron Paul for anything you said because it would be ridiculous, but I do have to mention a few things.

Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards never have recieved any money from known criminals.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never had questionable supporters.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never returned money once they found out it was from a group of people or a person that had a questionable reputation....wait thats incorrect.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never tried to pass questionable legislation.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never been on the "take".
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never taken their whole paycheck for their jobs, or accepted any perks from their office.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never recieved money from lobbyists.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never gone on paid junkets.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have NEVER LIED TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards DIDN"T LIE STRAIGHT TO YOUR FACES LAST NIGHT IN THE GOP DEBATE.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards are all upstanding citizens who are looking out for your best interest.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards are not crazy, wingnut, neocon scum.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards are not in politics for their own benefit, they are there for the people!
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards always vote on policies that work for the people...ALL the people.
Romney,Rudy, Mccain, Thompson, Hillary, Obama, Edwards have never flip flopped on any issues in the past...or present.

» RE: hahahaha good post Posted by: kungfoofighterx
» Yes, Let's Compare Them All Posted by: bcgirl125
yet another BS pile
Posted by: skydog on Nov 29, 2007 5:19 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Oh, can you hear the sucking sound of lips planted on the wrinkled posterior of an ObGyn running for president?? My my!

Here we go, leveling denigrating comments about what constitutes a superficial analysis, then fawning all over this economic Darwinist, paying only a token nod to what libertarianism really means at the end. You seem so eager to define for us what is or is not superficial, and then write some of the most superficial gobbledygook I've ever seen!

I have an idea for you, there, Mr. Holland. Why not write an article that ignores the obvious for which you invest so much column space, and focuses only on exposing Paul's factual positions on all the economic and social issues with which normal working Americans are confronted? Trade, jobs, food safety, health care reform, credit regulation, progressive taxation, Social Security, Medicare...the bread and butter issues that define daily life for people who have to work for a living.

Now, that would be novel to see in a media stream that is nothing but arduous of this perhaps most dangerous candidate on the rostrum, a true snake in anti-war clothing.

Just the facts. I realize you won't ever get a straight answer from his campaign, but it's your duty to then report that to us. Resist the instinct to bend to what you think is popular for a change and just write the truth. That's all I'm asking.

If Ron Paul supporters knew the truth, we wouldn't have this miraculous support that you're all slack-jawed and drooling on your shoes in amazement about. Just because the guy is good on the war doesn't mean he's good for America.

Just report it. The facts please. Don't you think that you owe that to the readers?

» RE: yet another BS pile Posted by: okeydokey
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» RE: yet another BS pile(?) Posted by: oregoncharles
Paul is not a libertarian
Posted by: ark on Nov 29, 2007 5:20 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
That many persons who are members of the LP believe he is, only shows that the LP does not press its own Platform, and the rationales for them predicated by libertarian thought. Paul has stated positions directly oppositional to the following LP platform planks:

I.8 Reproductive Rights
I.9 Sexuality and Gender
IV.1 Immigration
III.1 Crime and Victimless Crime


In re Reproductive Rights: Paul has proposed a Constitutional Amendment that would define a fetus at conception to be a person. Understand what this means: a fetus becomes a US citizen at conception. Separate this from the pro and anti abortion movements, and just look at this from the perspective of a monstrously intrusive state. Any miscarriage would need be investigated for possible homicide and/or manslaughter. This could not be effectuated on a small state model, nor is it a nod to state's rights.

In re Sexuality and Gender: as the author mentioned, Paul just this year proposed a bill that would restrict federal access to persons who based their claims upon sexual orientation. This is not a proposed constitutional amendment, yet it would limit the reach of the 14th Amendment. It is an act of legislative overreach into the realm of the judiciary by a politician who claims he is loyal to the Constitution.

In re Immigration: The LP is specifically open border in their official policy statements. The only valid reason to impair a human's free ingress or egress at the nation's borders is for criminal acts or for highly contagious sicknesses. This position is justified in libertarian theory on both grounds of human liberty, and defense of the free market. There can be no free market when capital is free to move across international borders, but labor cannot. It places the collectivist business entities (corporations, partnerships etc) in a superior position to the individual human; and can not be justified by libertarian theory because of this.

In re Crime and Victimless Crime: all criminalisation of consensual sexual acts between adults is a type of victimless crime, and as such should be abhorrent to any libertarian. Paul has been silent about decriminalisation of all drug laws this campaign.

These are just a few of Paul's anti-libertarian policy stances; the easy ones to point out.

» it's about the 14th Posted by: ark