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Why We Shouldn't Celebrate Thanksgiving

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted November 22, 2007.


Thanksgiving Day should be turned into a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of America's indigenous peoples.

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After years of being constantly annoyed and often angry about the historical denial built into Thanksgiving Day, I published an essay in November 2005 suggesting we replace the feasting with fasting and create a National Day of Atonement to acknowledge the genocide of indigenous people that is central to the creation of the United States.

I expected criticism from right-wing and centrist people, given their common commitment to this country's distorted self-image that supports the triumphalist/supremacist notions about the United States so common in conventional politics, and I got plenty of such critique. But I was surprised by the resistance from liberals, including a considerable number of my friends.

The most common argument went something like this: OK, it's true that the Thanksgiving Day mythology is rooted in a fraudulent story -- about the European invaders coming in peace to the "New World," eager to cooperate with indigenous people -- which conveniently ignores the reality of European barbarism in the conquest of the continent. But we can reject the culture's self-congratulatory attempts to rewrite history, I have been told, and come together on Thanksgiving to celebrate the love and connections among family and friends.

The argument that we can ignore the collective cultural definition of Thanksgiving and create our own meaning in private has always struck me as odd. This commitment to Thanksgiving puts these left/radical critics in the position of internalizing one of the central messages promoted by the ideologues of capitalism -- that individual behavior in private is more important than collective action in public. The claim that through private action we can create our own reality is one of the key tenets of a predatory corporate capitalism that naturalizes unjust hierarchy, a part of the overall project of discouraging political struggle and encouraging us to retreat into a private realm where life is defined by consumption.

So this November, rather than mount another attack on the national mythology around Thanksgiving -- a mythology that amounts to a kind of holocaust denial, and which has been critiqued for many years by many people -- I want to explore why so many who understand and accept this critique still celebrate Thanksgiving, and why rejecting such celebrations sparks such controversy.

Once we know, what do we do?

At this point in history, anyone who wants to know this reality of U.S. history -- that the extermination of indigenous peoples was, both in a technical, legal sense and in common usage, genocide -- can easily find the resources to know. If this idea is new, I would recommend two books, David E. Stannard's American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World and Ward Churchill's A Little Matter of Genocide. While the concept of genocide, which is defined as the deliberate attempt "to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group," came into existence after World War II, it accurately describes the program that Europeans and their descendants pursued to acquire the territory that would become the United States of America.

Once we know that, what do we do? The moral response -- that is, the response that would be consistent with the moral values around justice and equality that most of us claim to hold -- would be a truth-and-reconciliation process that would not only correct the historical record but also redistribute land and wealth. In the white-supremacist and patriarchal society in which we live, operating within the parameters set by a greed-based capitalist system, such a process is hard to imagine in the short term. So, the question for left/radical people is: What political activity can we engage in to keep alive this kind of critique until a time when social conditions might make a truly progressive politics possible?

In short: Once we know, what do we do in a world that is not yet ready to know, or knows but will not deal with the consequences of that knowledge?


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Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin, and the author of, most recently, Getting Off: Pornography and the End of Masculinity (South End Press, 2007).

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Jungle Boy
Posted by: Jungle Boy on Nov 22, 2007 1:31 AM   
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HURRAY to Robert Jensen for having the First Sane Words about Thanksgiving I've seen this year!!
I received an email asking me to "Have a Happy Turkey Day!!! I replied that most of the turkeys are not happy today!
In the 17th Century(maybe in the 15th, as well), the Pope said it was OK to kill the Indians because they were heathens that would not come to GOD. Today, some would say the same about Muslims. I'm not sure what the justification the Aussies used for the Aborigines.
The regular people in the movie, The Matrix, didn't want to know the Truth and neither do the "regular" people today!
Eat the bird, watch football, then hurry to the sales going on the next day--gotta shop early for Xmas.
Great to hear of someone who is waking up!!

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» Hard to live right Posted by: timemachinist
» RE: Jungle Boy Posted by: donl51
Third Year of same rant!
Posted by: corgyn on Nov 22, 2007 2:24 AM   
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Robert, get a new holiday to rant about. This essay is nearly identical to last year's. Is this what you suggest to future journalists? When the well is dry, give an old idea a re-try?
Seems a vein of serious quilt problems runs through all your writings - white men, porn & thanksgiving - what an uplifting set of specialties.
If you'll pardon a bit of amateur analysis.... I some how envision your private life as this secret BDSM acolyte cringing in a dungeon as your big mistress [of color of course] beats the shit out of you in atonement for what ever haunts you. Is that what you'll do today rather than have dinner? Sounds good to me.....

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» RE: Third Year of same rant! Posted by: turttleman
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» Deja Vu Posted by: Cathyblj
I am not into guilt trips
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Nov 22, 2007 3:49 AM   
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I got all of that I could use in Cathholic school as a kid.

I am willing to acknowledge what some of my ancestors did (some were on the receiving end) and I am more than willing to celebrate Native American culture in any reasonable way.

Jenson is welcome to do what he wants on the holiday but what he suggests isn't gonna catch on. In general, the American people ain't any more into national guilt trips than I am. This has become a day to get together and celebrate family. What he suggests just ain't gonna happen.

Thanksgiving and Native American recognition day is fine with me - and I am all for teaching schoolchildren about the barbarity of both sides - with an eye to explaining the unequal effect it had on the one side and the ruthless efficiency of the other in the extermination/genocide of millions.

The only real effect widespread calls to turn this popular holiday into a national day of atonement before the real (rather than Hollywood) history of the conflict is widely known would be to engender hostility without the possibility of success.

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» It is nothing to do with guilt. Posted by: wisegalah
Proceed With Care
Posted by: jackburns on Nov 22, 2007 4:00 AM   
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Pretty much all true, but I still attend the family gathering for all the reasons mentioned. I don't want to ruin everyone's day, especially the people that worked so hard to prepare a meal.

I discuss these issues privately with my wife and children and other family members willing to listen. I privately reflect on my own thoughts during the "prayer," the meal and the day.

Being an ogre sure won't get people to listen. About the best you can hope for is for someone to ask you why you feel this way. I believe they have to initiate the conversation, and even then, you have to proceed with care.

I always like to point out that it's day of joy and sadness for me. Joy of being with my family. Sadness for all the reasons noted.

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» I dont know which is worse... Posted by: Iconoclast421
Here we go again...
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Nov 22, 2007 4:29 AM   
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I tried bringing this up one year...My mother slapped me upside the head and said "Shut up and eat your turkey."...and that was the end of that.

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» RE: Here we go again... Posted by: wisegalah
Thanksgiving
Posted by: Freedomrider on Nov 22, 2007 4:38 AM   
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I give thanks for Jensen and for all the truth tellers. We should all embrace the truth. At first it appears to make life harder, but that is not true. The truth makes life easier and better. We should strive for honesty as individuals and as a group. Honest people are less likely to hurt others, to be lied to or to do or suffer wrong.

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» RE: Thanksgiving Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Thanksgiving Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
jesem
Posted by: jesem on Nov 22, 2007 4:44 AM   
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I have often wondered if I was the only person who thought of the founding of America this way. It always struck me as a sad tale even as a young child. Why were we forcing our ways, our religion down these wonderful peoples throat. I ask about it at the time but can't recall the answer. I have never really associated that whole drama with our family gathering. We enjoy being with each other and leave it at that but the guilt is there. It comes with being an American.

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» RE: jesem Posted by: donl51
thanklessgiving
Posted by: jakobci on Nov 22, 2007 4:59 AM   
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We are a nation of hypocrites, we are a nation of cowards when it comes to facing our history, to historical accuracy. Our nation is unable to face itself, to face its negative self and openly admit to it. Instead we finds ways of avoiding our history, we use double standards to justify such celebrations and holidays such as Thanksgiving Day, and many get very upset at those point out the obvious hypocrisy of it and criticize such holidays. Such criticism are often tied to ones patriotism because the critics of the critics have no real legitment answer but more lies and more evasion and more diversion. Our governments, over the years have found ways to avoid the truth, to deceive the people, to manipulate the nation to favor its policies. Our history is full of such governmental deception, yet we rather criticize those who point this out than face the truth of it.

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Cutting off your nose...
Posted by: pcushniesr on Nov 22, 2007 5:03 AM   
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"So, what will I do on Thanksgiving Day this year? I'll probably spend part of the day alone. Maybe I'll take a long walk and think about all this. I'll try to be kind and decent to the people I bump into during the day. I'll miss the company of friends and family who are gathering, and I'll try to reflect on why I've made this choice and why this question matters to me. I'll think about why others made the choices they made."

It's called "cutting off your nose to spite your own face." I choose to be with my daughter and grandchildren, but I promise to insert some chat about the Thanksgiving mythos to give the young ones something to chew on besides food.

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Alas, not all of us are as self-sacrificing and deep-thinking as Mr. Jensen...
Posted by: mjabele on Nov 22, 2007 5:02 AM   
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I, for one, will be celebrating with family today - giving thanks, amongst other things, for the fact that my Armenian wife and our two children are alive and healthy here in the US, in large part due to the fact that her great-grandparents escaped another kind of genocide in the mountains of what is now eastern Turkey almost a century ago.

One problem with attributing guilt in a "hereditary" fashion is that it's almost always possible for those whom one is pointing fingers at to respond by finding similar examples of persecution in their own pasts. Mass killing, either directly racially motivated or "with ethnic overtones", has been common throughout European history for centuries if not millenia. I won't comment about Asia because I'm less familiar with that continent's history, but I suspect from what I do know that it's not much different. Indeed, from what I've read, some Native American civilizations were not all that much "kinder" toward each other than the Europeans who came afterward.

By all means, we need to confront and rectify what's been done by European-Americans to Native Americans during the previous history of this country. I personally think this is something we should focus on every day rather than just on a single holiday, and, in terms of raising awareness, should perhaps be emphasizing in our education of young people more than anything else.

But Mr. Jensen's campaign to eliminate the Thanksgiving holiday - beyond the fact that it would never work (I'm sure folks would simply continue to celebrate "in secret") - strikes me as little more than a liberal form of vengeance-based thinking. As he points out, this holiday serves as an occasion for families to reunite - not as some sort of commemoration of the Native American genocide - and hence its abolition would merely remove a joyful annual event from the holiday calendar without providing any sort of compensatory relief, or any meaningful historical correlation in people's minds to past events, for that matter. Moreover, beyond the fact that designating a different day of the year to "give thanks" and reunite with family would, in a political sense, probably defeat the original purpose of abolishing the official Thanksgiving holiday, it's a bit doubtful that such a new celebration would ever "catch on" - which is perhaps precisely the point, given that I suspect Mr. Jensen's ultimate objective is really to chastise the descendants of the "genocidaires", rather than enlighten them.

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I Won't Be Celebrating Thanksgiving Today...
Posted by: grumble-bum on Nov 22, 2007 5:03 AM   
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Why? Because I'll be at work, selling the final few of what amounts to literally tons of locally raised free range & organic turkeys. You know, helping to support non-corporate, non-patri-centric, non-whatever-Jensen-is-peeved-about/feeling guilty-for-today, progressive family businesses.

Afterwards, I'll be too tired to deal with any gathering, let alone cook anything myself.

So for two years, now, Jensen has been flogging this concept, & he keeps climbing the battlements. Apparently, a few folks agree, although a vast majority thinks otherwise. Well, keep plugging away, Rob. I'd suggest taking on Christmas next (to atone for the repressions of organized Christianity over the millenia), or perhaps Hanukkah (in commiseration with the Palestinians). Or maybe MLK day, 'cause of, you know, those misogynistic thug rappers...?!? You'll get a lot of hits for Alternet for that one, I guarantee it!

I don't celebrate Columbus Day, because it's a holiday set aside to commemorate a particular man, well known to be a particularly nasty jerk. But that doesn't mean I'm going to go around offering my opinions to those who do, unasked for. Nor does it mean that I feel poorly that this hemisphere was "discovered", in general.

The real shame here, in my opinion, is that Jensen is a fairly good, thoughtful writer, who's heart is often in the right place in some ways. The problem for me is that everything he touches is wrapped up in such a profound muddle of guilt. If he feels he must go through life as some sort of martyr for the worlds sins, so be it, but past a certain point, he really needs to stop trying to pull us all down with him.

I was raised in a Progressive Christian home, & as long as I can remember, all holidays (including this one) were approached with thoughtfulness & acknowledgment of the uglier side. & by all means, there should be a national day of atonement to the original peoples of this place. But to push so stridently to have it replace a well-loved tradition such as Thanksgiving is hopeless, & needlessly abrasive. Good luck, dude.

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In My Humble Opinion
Posted by: KCDC on Nov 22, 2007 5:11 AM   
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For all of you that hate the US so much for all of its past sins, why don't you just move? Please don't say easier said than done, but it's really quite easy to do. Many people do it everyday, just leave the country. If you live in a metro area like, NY, DC, LA and you see so many people from other countries, ask them how it's done. You can do the same, simply leave. When I didn't like the way things were going in Southern, VA because it lacked the job opportunities that I was seeking, I moved. Left family and everything. Now, I know that's not another country, but I still made the decision that instead of crying and whining, like so many hard core lefties like to do, I decided to do something about it. The State Department is a great resource for Americans looking to move overseas. Good Luck to you. My second question for that same group is this, name me one country that has a stellar reputation and didn't grow and expand by stepping on somebody's toes? I always challenge people to do this and to this day, I've never received not one reply. Name me a country that doesn't have a group of people some place that feel oppressed and short changed by the majority? Is that to say it's right, no way, but I will say it's human nature, look around you. People do it all the time. Does the word regentrification (sp) ring a bell to anyone? Pushing out one class (poor in the inner city) to get rich young, often white yuppies to move in for their higher income and lucrative tax base. So spare me the poor, bleeding heart liberal stories about not celebrating Thanksgiving and get a life.

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Opportunity
Posted by: GPFrank on Nov 22, 2007 5:15 AM   
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My first impulse to respond is by saying, "Why
give up the opportunity to feed one's face?"
Actually, with so many people usually eating "New York style", i.e.; standing up, ready to rush to the next meeting, sitting down with the family is not such a bad idea.
But we also need to seek atonement, an emotional process difficult on a full stomach. We also should consider all the broken families and homelessness that is the cost of following the peculiar American religion of "privatization". A political statement but is there really anything "private" about being under corporate ownership? Is there anything "private" about the humiliation of handouts?

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Happy Thanksgiving - the most noble of celebrations!
Posted by: rocketman on Nov 22, 2007 5:49 AM   
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I never ceases to amazes me how far left ideology seems to be rooted in the discredit of anything American – it has truly defined itself as “Anti American thought”

The way the US government has treated the native population of this country is truly a crime and one that to this day has not been made correct - if it ever could.

That said, the spirit of Thanksgiving really has little to do with the horror we brought upon the true Americans!

It celebrates the successful harvest, a tradition that was established not only in Europe but by the native Americans as well.

Consider this quote -
"Whereas it is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favor, and whereas both Houses of Congress have by their joint Committee requested me "to recommend to the People of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness."" - no it's not George Bush but George Washington!!!!

So instead of trying to dismantle yet another tradition of this country, which was instituted before the horrors we eventually brought upon the natives of America, why not celebrate it and use it as a day to try to help better the plight of others!

Happy Thanksgiving to all you negative souls!

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» yeah, ignore the details. Posted by: Coleman
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» Continental Posted by: YogiBear
Celebrating Thanksgiving Day
Posted by: marrieah on Nov 22, 2007 6:06 AM   
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O K, the premise is correct. Most of the days we celebrate is built on BS. Be that as it may this country is a capitalistic country. Always have been, always will be.

You have questioned the history of such celebrations and yes it is built on myth.

It's a collective myth of the whole country, perpetrated to ease the guilt one feels for living a lie.

But not participating is not going to change a thing. It's a national party. Realize what this party is about, make an appearance eat and be merry and all of that good stuff for a few hours, but before you go stop by one of the soup kitchens or something to that effect and contribute a hand.

True, the premise of the celebration of Thanksgiving is built on a lie, but at least in helping someone else enjoy the day, that's about 4 hours really, you will be giving them something to be thankful for if only for a few hours.

At the end of the day, it really about sharing, if only for a day, err 4 hours.

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» Another dodge. Posted by: Coleman
A pragmatic point of view
Posted by: jabstuart on Nov 22, 2007 6:19 AM   
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I love your thought experiment/analogy with the Holocaust as it likely resounds with many mainstream liberals and even centrists. I haven't read the texts you cite, but I have studied Native American history more than a lot of people and read the first chapter of Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States - and have a little Native American ancestry myselft. No disagreement that massive genocide against the first Americans took place. Interestingly, I just read "Squanto's Journey" that my second grade daughter brought home from school. It is a (very tolerant) Native American version of the holiday's origins. I was skeptical about its accuracy at first, but the author notes credible (and Native American) sources on which the child's story is based.

Still, as a pragmatist at heart, I take issue with your call to completely redefine the Thanksgiving holiday -- it's too ingrained in our culture. What do we gain by relabeling Thanksgiving as genocide? Whatever its history, it has come to symbolize coming together with family and friends and appreciating what we have in life. I totally agree that it's a collective and public holiday, but over time I do think the thanks people give have become more individual/personal in nature and not so much for a supposed peace between Europeans and Native Americans. The myths/lies/variations on the history of Thanksgiving are varied - if anything, they are diluting the "official" version, and reinforcing the personal meaning.

My proposal is this: we should leverage the good will and feelings of tolerance and appreciation that people harken on this holiday and use it to launch an annual public awareness/social marketing campaign. The goal of the campaign would be to correct historically inaccurate versions and celebrate the lessons learned. The first piece of it addresses truth and the second piece reconciliation. Getting at the truth should not be a blame fest or else we'll never get to reconciliation. We learn our biggest lessons from our mistakes, and to me the most important lesson from this history is tolerance. It is astounding the amount of tolerance many Native Americans have demonstrated despite the genocide and oppression of their people throughout U.S. history. We should be thankful for their lesson in being "civilized" and follow it as a model. There is much good to salvage from this holiday, and so much to leverage, it would be a waste to not recognize that insight and learning can be the fruits of wrongs and injustice. Your Holocaust example is a great example of this point. A good place to start with such a campaign might be learning from the work of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: never again. And to your point, why aren't the truths about this holiday featured on its home page?

Short of such a public awareness campaign taking place, perhaps a more pragmatic approach to reddressing the troubling history in which the holiday is rooted than renouncing/not participating in the holiday altogether would be to engage in a lively dinner table discussion. Afterall, conversation and food are a great combination. It's the perfect opportunity moment for a discussion with friends and family members who might have very different political perspectives and education levels about what are the real historical origins of the holiday, and why are there different versions of that history today? Rather than disengage, why not engage? On a final note, the origins of Thanksgiving are more than political - they are also historical and cultural. If framed on broader terms, perhaps you would be less likely to alienate people, and more likely to help them see your view of things. That is a classic tactic for any advocacy campaign.

Have a nice walk. I promise to engage in discussion about this with the family members I'll be visiting and eating with.
--Jennifer Bagnell Stuart

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If we're to have a national Day of Atonement...
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Nov 22, 2007 6:30 AM   
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...I suggest February 5, the day Colin Powell acquired that "blot on his record." His speech was completely in keeping with all the false justifications for wars and other assorted blots on America's record throughout its history.

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Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
Posted by: wsx on Nov 22, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Any way you look at, through the history of man and compared to many, we here in the US have it pretty good. We have much for which to be thankful. Enjoy the day.

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We are all being exploited now by Corporate America
Posted by: topview on Nov 22, 2007 6:45 AM   
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Eat and Enjoy the Holiday, as Corporate America will love you for it. And tomorrow they will love you more as they will really benefit from the mass who will rush into their stores to build up their profits for the next Holiday.
Maybe, Just maybe the poor working class in America will be happier next year when we take back this country from all those that have bought our Elected officials that are now exploiting another Country and mass killing the people for more resources and corporate greed.

Being bogged down in Iraq isn't slowing them down, as they are looking to destroying another country for more corporate greed at the expense of our young peoples lives and the lives that will be destroyed when we start to bomb Iran.

America has to wake up and stop this GENOCIDE before this country is completely torn apart for the greed of the FILTHY RICH.
Corporations don't Vote but the people do and we have to make that vote count where it will do the best to restore this country for all the people.
So celebrate today and tomorrow start the process to get our country away from the greedy corporations that are controlling every aspect of your life.
Fight for your rights, thats the only way we will be able to celebrate next year.
I suggest we force the impeachment that has already been started by one Grateful congressman Denis Kuchinich.At least it is a start to freedom from this Fascist controlled Government.

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Simple Minded
Posted by: NewDeal on Nov 22, 2007 6:48 AM   
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Of course, it is difficult to get an article or book published by being objective and well researched. Sound-bites have become more the rage in collegiate departments, as employees contend for attention and, thereby, class-attendance and, thereby, more money. There we see true capitalism, perhaps uglier than Wal-Mart and Blackwater, in full operation.

Facts? Don't bother.

The relations of the Americans who were here before the large scale movement of Europeans and Africans and the interrelations of all those individuals and societies, is a complex and often contradictory story. Marriages, murders, alliances, betrayals and lots more.

Will this same author write an essay about March 22, 1622?

As many recent immigrants to North America have learned, there is far too much violence and there are far too many blame-issues in all our pasts. If we blindly carry those forward, ignoring positives while only accenting negatives and myths, we damage ourselves as individuals and as societies.

I really feel regret for this person, the institution that pays him and for his students. As Fox News shows, shallow thinking is popular and it pays… at least among shallow listeners, viewers and readers. This sort of superficiality and attack is better suited to Rupert Murdoch than for those of us trying to work for a better world.

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AMERICANS ARE NOT FLAWLESS
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Nov 22, 2007 6:59 AM   
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But I don't believe a day set aside to 'beat ourselves' would serve a purpose.Despite our imperfections, we continue to be the most generous people in the world.Check out the tons of food donated so that everyone cna have enough today to celebrate. Then take a look at the reasons why they don't have enough to begin with.You are preaching to the choir. I'm off to see the rest of the family.Have a Happy Thansgiving. ANNA

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You DO realize...
Posted by: Q30 on Nov 22, 2007 6:59 AM   
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...that Robert Jensen is a man who is literally terrified of his own genitals and basically believes that all men have been raised to be rapists, right?

Do you really want this guy dictating your personal life?

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Silly beyond belief
Posted by: radrave on Nov 22, 2007 7:22 AM   
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The author claims to know the "reality of US History" and helpfully provides two books. Right. As if any one or two books could capture the complexity of US history.

Everyone should give up feeling good about themselves and their families and start mourning. Right. Misery loves company.

The only choice is to confront and offend family members. Right. There are ways to express your opinion without offending others.

Let's all grow up, shall we?

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Idiocy <