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11 Things We Can Learn from the Rest of the World

Ode. Posted October 23, 2007.


Eleven lessons the West can learn that would improve our lives and create a better future for all humanity.

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The world is becoming One. But the game is being played according to rules set by the West. Where colonialism ultimately failed at running the world, Hollywood and the stock market are succeeding. In the process, we are seeing material gain and progress for developing nations -- but also substantial loss. And Westerners may lose just as much in this as the rest of the world. The cultural richness and indigenous innovation that is in danger of being wiped out in Africa, Asia and Latin America by globalization could actually make Western societies healthier and happier. Here are 11 lessons the West can learn that would improve Western life and create a better future for all humanity.

1) Democracy (Ghana)

Ubuntu for all!

By Baffour Ankomah

Here's a surprise. What Africa has to offer the West is democracy! History says Ancient Greece invented democracy. But the Greeks took their inspiration from the other side of the Mediterranean in Egypt. "African democracy," which is practiced to this day in villages and towns across the continent -- where 70 percent of Africans live -- is very different from "Western democracy." It is based on the humanist philosophy called Ubuntu, originating in southern Africa, which teaches, "I am because you are." African democracy is focussed on including everyone, whereas Western democracy, with its basis in majority rule, divides people and nations.

Traditional African democracy doesn't involve organized opposition. Power is arranged like a pyramid. At the top is the king who exercises supreme authority, assisted by his council of elders and sub-chiefs. But the king or chief has no power except that which is given to him by the people. He is usually enthroned for life, but the actual duration of his reign depends on how well or poorly he performs. If he is a good king, he stays. If he is a bad king -- who oppresses the people, or acts against their interests and traditions -- he is overthrown by the people, using the constitutional means established for the purpose.

African democracy has a lot to teach the world about decision-making. Minor day-to-day decisions are made by the chief or king in consultation with the council of elders. But major decisions affecting the community are made by the people -- all the people. The job of the king or chief is really to implement the will of the people.

In the African system, for example, if villagers want to build a school, the chief calls the whole community together under the trees of the village square. The gathering of the villagers acts like a city council or parliament. Wide and passionate discussions are held that day on the subject of the new school. Everybody is free to voice an idea. There is no organized opposition, but opposing views are strongly and freely expressed. The chief or king is the last to speak, but that doesn't mean he has "the last word" as would be the case in Western culture. At the end of the day, a consensus is almost always reached. And -- most important -- the new initiative enjoys broad support, since even opponents feel heard and respected. This kind of democracy is not a struggle for power, but an organizing structure.

Baffour Ankomah, from Ghana, is the editor of the magazine New African.

2) Ingenuity (India)

Finding solutions for what's impossible

By Vijay Mahajan

In rural India, you may spot a rather unusual vehicle. Halfway between a cart and a tractor, it can carry maybe 12 passengers. It doesn't need a licence plate, but it does have a motor -- taken from a surplus water pump -- and can travel up to 40 kilometres (25 miles) an hour. That can be a problem, since the cart doesn't have brakes to speak of. When the driver needs to stop, the passengers jump off and drag wooden brake shoes against the wheels.

Jugaad is the name of this motorized problem-solving device, and it costs just 60,000 rupees (about $1,300). A jugaad is an alternative solution, an improvisation, a jury-rigged answer conceived by a creative culture in which scarcity and survival are constant challenges. While India makes headlines in the financial press as an economic force to be reckoned with, the real dynamism of its culture is in creations like the jugaad. It's their talent for improvisation that keeps a billion Indians moving forward into the future. Necessity is the mother of invention, as the saying goes -- an important lesson for the West. Indian farmers ride triumphantly on their homemade vehicle. It represents their personal victory over the hard reality they inhabit, in which nothing is certain. In their lack of possessions -- so unimaginable for Western souls -- lies the secret to fulfillment and happiness.


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Elm Corners
Posted by: Elmcorners on Oct 23, 2007 12:21 AM   
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If only we in the west didn't already know it all

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Observation
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 23, 2007 12:43 AM   
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I'll settle for an end to corporate person-hood, a restoration of our Bill of Rights (Rep Ron Paul's American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 would be a good start), and a real representative democracy. The rest will fall in place because of the reforms above.

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» RE: Corporate personhood Posted by: Sushi
» RE: Corporate personhood Posted by: NoPCZone
» RE: Corporate personhood Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: Corporate personhood Posted by: fauconnier
Davy X pat
Posted by: davy on Oct 23, 2007 3:48 AM   
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How to dance. How to feel. How to enjoy a coffee. How to drink more responsibility. How to relax. The REAL value of "stuff". How to spend time with your kids. On and on. America, so sad to see, stuck stuck stuck that's how you be.
HOW DO YOU TURN AN OIL TANKER WITH A ROW BOAT???

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Cynical readers will attack me
Posted by: robchapman on Oct 23, 2007 4:00 AM   
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The article segments on collectivism, child rearing and humility struck a resonant chord with me.

The authors of those segments wrote from societies where those values were inculcated and honored as deep cultural values.

That is not the case among us, and it is very difficult for us to engage in any sort of dialogue concerning them.

Hillary Clinton wrote a book, It takes a Village and postulated some of the ways to inculcate such ideas in our society. She has also entered into the Lion's Den of partisan politics in an effort to reify her ideas as law.

Yet our society has grown so quarrelsome and self-absorbed that many of us are unable to see the ideas she has espoused past our views of her.

So let me add a twelfth thought: let's learn to listen respectfully to each other.

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» RE: Cynical readers will attack me Posted by: donaldrilea
And #12: $5M to a political leader who doesn't abuse his power.
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 23, 2007 4:29 AM   
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I don't recall the name of the prize given by the Ibrahim foundation in Africa, but it's an annual equivalent of a Nobel prize. When asked why politicians should be paid extra to do what is just normally expected of them, Mr. Ibrahim replied it is the honor more than the money that counts.

One might hope that the generous pensions provided to US elected officials would be enough for them to remain honest. It seems they frequently like the power more than the honor.

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Americans will learn...eventually
Posted by: peacelf on Oct 23, 2007 5:54 AM   
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I think the structure is in place to promote a deeper democracy like the one described in these articles; with our Constitution and history of civil rights, the framework is there, but it's our attitudes toward wealth and power of the american people that have to change.

Americans believe wealth and power to be a divine right, rather than seeing it as greed and avarice run amok. We worship wealth and give the wealthy our power because we are taught to believe (by the corporate-owned media and public school system) that one day we could be rich. That Horatio Alger rags to riches myth perpetuates the notion that in america greed is good and capitalism is the best system to dispense that "good."

Yet, nothing could be further from the truth. Upward class mobility is all but impossible and the social and psychological affects of greed and competition produce cynicism among youth who learn very quickly as adults that blind competition is evil, so many succumb to the nihilistic selfishness which is the exact opposite of the communalism describe in the article above. These symptoms are the last death throes of a dying empire.

We are in a period of declining empire, and in that decline the wealthy white patriarchs who run this country are scrambling to extract, exploit and pillage resources and cheap labor in order to increase their wealth tenfold, so when the utopian vision provided in this wonderful worldview article is realized in america, the rich will be forced to move on to their next empire-nation (my guess is China or Russia).

After the decline, america could become the New World Example, leading the way in helping dispel the myth of the goodness greedy, nihilistic competition.

All we have to do is supplant greed with hope for future generations, like the Lakota "Seventh Generation" rule: do nothing that would harm, not just the next generation, but do what will help the seventh generation have better lives.

peace

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Yeah, but
Posted by: zengei on Oct 23, 2007 6:24 AM   
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Yeah, but we've got the guns.

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» RE: Yeah, but Posted by: AnarchX
» You have what? Posted by: abbadon2007
» RE: You have what? Posted by: aka_bozo
globalist claptrap
Posted by: kelt65 on Oct 23, 2007 6:42 AM   
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"Where colonialism ultimately failed at running the world, Hollywood and the stock market are succeeding. In the process, we are seeing material gain and progress for developing nations -- but also substantial loss."

Try "nothing but loss"

I am surprised there are still progressive apologists for global capital.

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Western Lessons for Westerners.
Posted by: waltermoss on Oct 23, 2007 6:42 AM   
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This was absolutely one of the most condescending, false, and absurd piece of writing that has ever passed across the monitor of my computer screen. A piece purporting to encourage humility and respect was certainly neither in regards to the different authors' attitudes towards Western culture.

Learn democracy from Ghana, entrepreneurship from Latin America, ingenuity from India? When Indian peasants are able to rig together and launch a telecom satellite using a water pump motor and duct tape, then I'll be impressed. When a tribal chief in Ghana can craft a document like the American bill of rights, I'll be impressed. Until then, don't be ridiculous.

One of the more absurd elements: lessons on "family values". If the lessons on respect for elders and respect for the primacy of the family had come from a conservative, this article would have never appeared on AlterNet...ever. But the grass is always greener on the other side, so this liberal audience is open to hearing the same words, as spoken by someone's Sri Lankan granny, but not their own!

On the whole, I thought it was silly to encourage Westerners to look for lessons from without when we can find analogous (and in some cases superior...YES SUPERIOR) lessons in our own history, culture and tradition. Instead of disrespecting our own traditions and values, we ought to remember how strong they are. There is a reason our ancestors were so damn successful, we should remember that and be inspired to continue their tradition of achievement and excellence.

With that in mind, I would like to start a list of "Western Lessons" for Westerners (other cultures can take them or leave them). I encourage any Westerner with a sense of pride in their selves and their culture to contribute additional lessons. I am curious to see what we can come up with. Maybe this article will actually inspire something useful.

#1. TRUTH EXISTS AND IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO HUMAN REASON

There is an objective reality, and we can gain insight into how it works through reason. Observation allows us to identify correlations in natural phenomena; hypothesis allows us to offer explanations for those correlations; experiment allows us to test the merit of those explanations. The process of observation, hypothesis and refinement continues and as our body of knowledge grows, so grows our confidence in our explanations...this is the heart of scientific progress.

The catch is that we can never be 100% certain that we have absolute truth about nature, as we can't "directly experience" it. However, we do have the ability to measure the validity of our own limited understanding against nature herself. In that way, we are able to make progress; something impossible for mystical explanations of the world.

With our better understanding we can control the world around us and bend it to suit our needs. In this way, we become more than just passive "victims of circumstance", we become active, powerful agents in our own right. The take home message: better knowledge (of the truth) brings control and power.

-Walter Moss

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» What a pity. Posted by: chutzpah
» RE: Western Lessons for Westerners. Posted by: hellofriends
» RE: Don't Polarize! Posted by: mcstewey
Strangers in your midst
Posted by: goodwordswan on Oct 23, 2007 7:14 AM   
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Well, maybe some people would consider the Woodstock generation aliens in the midst of mainstream America but it seems to me that a lot of these ideas are what the 60s revelations were all about. Consensus? Environmental responsibility? Getting beyond a totally materialistic way of organizing our world? Living in community?

Some of us haven't given up yet. See http://goodwordswan.wildflowerstew.com and http://3rdwavevisions.net

I realize that it is important to keep putting it out there and to find examples in other parts of the world just reinforce what we are doing here so I am glad to see this article. It is very interesting and well put together and I agree with most of what is written here. I think the segment on yoga is particularly well done.

I must disagree with Seyi Oyesola that "social-welfare programs have tended to work against entrepreneurship, especially in Europe. Initiative is smothered if you aren't challenged to take care of yourself."

It has been my observation that when people have their basic needs assured their time and energy is freed up to create new ventures and expand them to include others.

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I have always worked on these 11. However, in the West, not everyone accepts or even gives a chance.
Posted by: maxpayne on Oct 23, 2007 8:05 AM   
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The East needs to reframe it so that the West can ACCEPT it all.

To tell people to do something will only create a REJECT.

To condition people to certain behavior is the key to any SUCCESS.

Most of all though, since the West was founded on and HEAVILY credited with violence, aggression, greed, etc ... we will have to rise above this terrible foundation which has led to nothing but wars, hostile business takeovers such as ENRON, "free" trade, RIGGED capitalism, etc ... It is time to quit sucking up to the neocon and neolib ideologies of recklessness.

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I'll take the OS (ubuntu) and I'm pretty ok what we have of the rest.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Oct 23, 2007 8:13 AM   
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Anything to avoid paying microsoft more money, for a lesser product, propped up solely by their marketshare despite a lack of improvement/innovation! (*Vista*, I'm talking about you.) Ubuntu does what I need: interwibble access, presentations, a streamlined word processor (latter courtesy of OpenOffice). I take a lot, and contribute when I can, especially in the area of biology, statistics, and genetic/proteomic alignment, and enjoy the product that *we* make.

So, a little willing collectivism, in it's own place and time, isn't a terrible thing (sorry Ms Rand, that's the truth here and now regarding Linux, anyway). On the other hand, political collective tendencies run antithetical to Western civilization, in which the individual has dominion over his or her life. Pro-choice, remember?

Anyway, all things in moderation. I like having firefighters and roads, so I don't mind ponying up for those services. I definitely lean towards "liberalism" on broad economics and human rights, and lean "conservative" when it comes towards the war and the budget: i.e., we should "conserve" our people at home, and "conserve" the expenditures for better uses.

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why is this framed as "east vs west"????
Posted by: madaha on Oct 23, 2007 9:10 AM   
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Africa is in the western hemisphere! I'm tired of this. Come up with some new terms already!

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I don't know where to start
Posted by: Phenix on Oct 23, 2007 9:53 AM   
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I would have taken these suggestions out of the list...

1 Democracy - what? Yes its clear that American democracy is in crisis but I believe we can find solutions to this problem by examining our Western peers. I don't think America needs chiefs, elders, or a King.

2 Ingenuity - Indian peasants?

3 Work - work? work?

5 Community - yes, Americans have a hard time developing communities because the majority lives in the suburbs and area of social isolation. Communities are not a foreign concept for American culture though. Americans were able to create large communities in the cities and some Americans are still able to maintain vibrant communities.

6 Raising Children - again read the above

7 The Village - I'll pass on the traditional African village. If you have not noticed Africa is not the most advance society on Earth.

9 Non-Violence - has anyone ever heard of Post-Modernism? And it can be argued that India and China's scientific development was held back because of Buddhist influences that reject the notion of a defined truth. Modern science has given the Buddhist monks a scientific base to argue this point. However their refusal to explore the natural world scientifically had retarded their scientific growth.

10 Food - This is just out right ridiculous. Yes, I must look at f'n India to understand the importance of local food. Give me a f'n break.

That leaves 4 (yoga) and 8 (happiness) as actual practices that are not currently or have been previously practiced in Western cultures at a higher and more successful rate. I am not entirely sure about the humility suggestion. It is foreign to Western culture but the idea is fine by me. It is practiced in martial arts so I'm used to it.

This article should have been entitled "11 Things We Can Learn ABOUT the Rest of the World".

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Poorly written.
Posted by: Vin on Oct 23, 2007 10:08 AM   
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To be honest I stopped reading after the first part where you made the incredulous claim that western democracy started in North Africa. Also, you claim that history states that the Greeks invented democracy. While Greeks clearly were the main influence of western democracy, it's believed that there were democracies in India that predate classical Greece. If you can't be bothered get your facts right, I can't be bothered to read your article.

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east vs west redux
Posted by: madaha on Oct 23, 2007 10:33 AM   
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just to be as accurate as possible: I checked my atlas, and in fact, most of Africa (and Europe) is east of the meridian. That includes France and Germany ("east"!)! But my point still stands, of course. (and Ghana IS on the western side, so is technically "the west"). Anyway, those terms are useless. By the way, the notion that the Greeks (meaning Athenians) got democracy from Egypt is ludicrous. Anyone who knows anything about ancient Egypt knows that it had nothing to do with democracy - a caste system with a god-like Pharoah! hello? The Greeks DID get stone architecture and sculpture, and some of their gods from Egypt, but not democracy. No way. (I'm a classicist and have studied with some Egyptologists, so I know a bit about this). Thanks for listening. cheers.

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Work (Nigeria)
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 23, 2007 10:40 AM   
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That's a pretty naive view there. The only thing separating Nigeria from the fate of the Congo or Sudan is oil. It takes resources to create jobs.

No doubt ingenuity is the most important thing we can learn. Or should I say re-learn. Ingenuity! Not to be confused with ungenuity! (Maybe that's been the problem all along... a simple misunderstanding of terms!)

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and
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Oct 23, 2007 11:01 AM   
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Hillary will guarantee your right to choice, which is good, seeing as how the country she'll create will be no place a sane person would want to bring children up in.

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» RE: and Posted by: juanpecan81
Humility?
Posted by: Crazy H on Oct 23, 2007 1:25 PM   
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While I can agree that many (Americans, "Westerners", whatever) need to learn humility, I would not look to a culture which practices bowing to learn it.

Bowing may be a sign of humility in the person who lowers his head, but it does not encourage humility in the recipient, quite the opposite.

I work in an American corporation with a large number of Indians. I gave some very positive feedback to one person who would be considered lower than me on the coporate ladder. I was embarrassed when he bowed to me in response.

I had a meeting with another Indian who is higher on that same ladder. He wouldn't meet my eyes, nor speak directly to me, in fact he gestured at me with a subtle flip of his fingers to signify, "I'm not interested in what you're presenting, go on to the next subject." I coulda back-handed the bastard! He's made it clear on a number of occasions that I am merely another form of servant in his eyes.

I treat the people who work for me exactly the same as those for whom I work, it's not a bow, it's a handshake. I expect the same courtesy from them.

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» RE: Humility? Posted by: hellofriends
» H1B Posted by: gellero
Moronic, Ignorant, Childish argument
Posted by: xerxes on Oct 23, 2007 1:50 PM   
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Whatever litttle respect I had for Alternet has scurried out the door after reading this ludicrous article. Greeks got democracy from ancient Egypt?!?!? LOL! I knew I was in for a risible, Benneton ad-like fluff piece as soon as I read that.

Wake up you well-meaning but completely naive liberals! The "West" has advanced and achieved an incredible level of material well-being because of science, technology, capitalism, and representative deomcracy. Why do you think millions of non-Western people clamor to immigrate to North America, Europe, and Australia?

We in the West work hard, avoid nepotism and corruption in our civic institutions (for the most part), treat people equally regardless of race, ethnicity, gender, age, or sexual orientation (again, for the most part), enjoy freedom of speech and religion, foster a sense of innovation in science, technology, and the arts, and don't hold on to outworn traditions when they serve no purpose.

The non-Western world is mired in ethnic rivalries and tribalism, a rigid hierarchical class system, misogyny, mysticism and religious obscurantism, nepotism and corruption, and a clinging to the past rather than a vision of the future.

The authors of this article have a very poor understanding of the history and depth of Western culture. If Africa, India, and Asia are so culturally superior, why are they trying so desperately to be like us?

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» OBVIOUS Posted by: gellero
» Not True For America Posted by: sofla100
» Very True For America Posted by: heliana
» RE: Very True For America Posted by: Joshua Holland
Differences Between Western Countries Are Bigger Issue
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 23, 2007 4:29 PM   
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This article does not address the heart of the issue which is really the differences that exist between the major Western nations. It's too much an "apples" vs. "oranges" argument. A better observation is that in the USA, only 1% at the top own over 1/5th of the countries wealth, while America's bottom 50% own less than 1/10th of her wealth. Compared to Western Europe where it takes the top 1/3rd to own more than 1/5th of the wealth. Couple that with Americas primary emphasis on military versus social and personal development, and you have a huge difference between America and the "social democracies" that make up the majority of the Western world. This is the bigger argument, that while the Western social democracies have made great strides in maintaining public health, somewhat equitable wealth distribution and maintaining civil liberties, America has "gone backwards" on all counts. This is the real story.

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» Property?? Posted by: gellero
» RE: Property?? Posted by: richholland
» LOL Posted by: gellero
LOL
Posted by: gellero on Oct 23, 2007 7:21 PM   
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Most of the posters here have never been to Third ( aka 'Turd') World countries. I have lived in them.

These countries are institutionally corrupt, and the claims of community and solidarity are superficial at best.

Why are there people there with deformities, cleft patates etc. on the streets???....some sense of community.!! And they always want Western doctors to clean up this mess in 'medical missions'. The West has its problems for sure, but we lead the world out of the quagmire that envelopes the Third World.

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» RE: LOL Posted by: abbadon2007
» Oh, Right...... Posted by: gellero
» RE: Oh, Right...... Posted by: hellofriends
Whose facts?
Posted by: Sojourner on Oct 24, 2007 12:18 AM   
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Simple tribalism may be egalitarian but a claim of democracy requires more. I remember hearing that an ancient site had been uncovered where a statue showing a face with a hand to its ear was discovered. The assumption was that a people who worshipped a god who listened was a pretty good clue to democratic origins. I seem to recall the statue was found either in North Africa or in Mesopotamia. Can India top that?

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Forgotten
Posted by: Earthling on Oct 25, 2007 8:26 AM   
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We used to have most of these, but what with our rat-race, our materialism, our "progress", we have lost and forgotten them.

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Excellent!
Posted by: dayahka on Oct 25, 2007 7:35 PM   
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This is one of the top two or three articles I have ever read on Alternet. Yes, you have highlighted some concepts or ideas that we in the so-called developed world need to learn and use to modify (re-engineer?) our current modes of thought and behavior. The problem is, however, that it is not just thought and perception, but our entire culture that is governed by reductionistic, atomistic thought and institutions. Only, perhaps, a severe catastrophe, a destruction of the current civilization (is it really, or is it an anti-civilization that we have?) could usher in a new way, however.

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robinbirdsong
Posted by: robinbirdsong on Oct 26, 2007 4:02 PM   
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I also thought this was a great article! However, I notice that a lot of posters are missing the point! This was a sharing of points of view, and I for on enjoyed hearing from others!
Thanks Alternet, for giving us a place to share and LISTEN!

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This article is brilliant
Posted by: b33fj3rky on Oct 26, 2007 11:03 PM   
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and I agree with so many things these poor, uncultured, but very wise and earthy people from the third world have said.

"At the top is the king... He is usually enthroned for life...If he is a bad king -- who oppresses the people, or acts against their interests and traditions -- he is overthrown by the people, using the constitutional means established for the purpose. "

I think America could use that! We've already had two generations of Bushes; let's keep W. in office for the rest of his life, then put one of his kids in office--KING W.! HECK YEAH! And if he does a bad job, we already have "constitutional means" to remove him--it's called the Second Amendment, people!

"You seldom see local entrepreneurship anymore in the West. People are more likely to be employed by large corporations and organizations."

True enough! I mean, according to the U. S. Small Business Administration, over half of the American workforce is employed by small business. But I'm sure that "statistics" and "facts" and "logic" have no place in this discussion. Facts are just tools of oppression used by our white male capitalist oppressors who oppress us.

"The flip side of that is I'm expected to take care of my relatives as well. I may serve on the board of an international company, but I cannot leave on a business trip abroad when my mother-in-law has to be taken to the hospital. I am supposed to nurse her day and night. I will be shunned by my family or community if I let a stranger bathe and feed her."

Great idea! Sure, I have no medial training, but I think it's only right that I, not an experienced pro, should provide home health care for my elderly parents. Nurses and doctors are just unfeeling strangers who should keep their filthy money-grubbing hands off my dad! If my dad is sick, I will heal him with HUGS!!!

"The king of Bhutan introduced the concept of gross national happiness (GNH), which is based on the idea that true development of society takes place when material and spiritual development occur side by side to complement and reinforce each other. That's why for the past two decades, happiness has been incorporated as a guiding principle in Bhutan's policies."

I envy those guys! I wish, in America, we'd get rid of this separation of church and state bullcrap and let the government start working towards my spiritual well-being. I want George Bush to not only be my king, I want him to be my Pope too! Dalia Bush!

"Truth is not important."

I couldn't agree with that more! The last thing we need is politicians who would tell us the truth. I want more feel-good promises and opinions presented as facts! I don't care what actually "works" in the so-called "real" world; I want Bush and other leaders making decisions based purely on their feelings and their inner special specialness.

"Africa is a living example of the fact that more money does not bring more happiness."

WHAT? NO WAY RU SERIOUS! I always thought money bought happiness, I had NEVER heard that before, I mean I guess I'm going to stop filling my bathtub with hundred-dollar bills and rolling around in them in some vain attempt to find happiness.

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Our Domestic Enemies
Posted by: DrColes on Oct 27, 2007 1:51 PM   
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As we struggle to know our domestic enemies. No, matter your political party affiliation, and setting aside your thoughts on issues. We all need to remember what it is to be an American Citizen. We need to make sure our elected representatives obey their Oath of Office and keep their Oath of Allegiance. See http://tinyurl.com/2znnvl Know whom you are voting for.

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Herodote
Posted by: Herodote on Oct 27, 2007 2:40 PM   
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Amazing how there seems to be nothing to be learnt from Europe and how each of the 11 lessons come from english speaking persons and taken from english speaking countries... The first and most important lesson is to start recognize diversity and for english speaking people to realize that many very important things are not available in english... This is not only humility but only minimal recognition of alterity...

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The West?
Posted by: Just The Facts on Oct 28, 2007 1:26 PM   
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How about : Eleven lessons the World can learn that would improve lives and create a better future for all humanity.

Not sure why these snippets are directed at the "West". Could it be the authors do not appreciate the diversity we enjoy? The stereotype they promote is not my West, and I am sure not that of many posters. While offering life lessons, more than a few of the countries above have been and continue to be beneficiaries of the generosity and compassion poured from citizens of the "West" intended to improve basic health conditions. When I worked in Tanzania, we had to replace 20% of our workforce each year due to the ravages of HIV. Sure did not see the "Village" show up with any help as described by Mr. Muro above. All the points are well taken but having lived abroad for more than ten years, I am getting a little sensitive about being lectured on such issus while at the same time constantly being bombarded with requests to help obtain US visas for my foreign friends. Something does not add up here........

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great points but
Posted by: TrilateralRegression on Oct 28, 2007 2:27 PM   
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Science is the pursuit of knowledge, not truth. It's through the knowledge I gain from science that I gain wisdom, and hopefully someday a bit of my own truth.

And as long as there's community and cooperation, what's the problem with individualism? I'm average American teenager #13647478 and a staunch individualist, but I have no problem understanding that I'm important and so is everyone else, giving to, taking from, and participating in plenty of communities, relying on an extended family of friends and relatives for help to my problems, keeping my greed in check, and enjoying social wealth.

And only hatha yoga is mainstream because the people that imported it mis-educated westerners, and I'm sure many of us would be pleased with a yoga that puts our ego in check (in a manner that doesn't upset the old Puritans [but we're working on that ^-^]) would be widely accepted.

I also think that having very little historical culture can be an advantage because the cultural 'blank slate' gives us a lot of wiggle room as far as growing socially goes.
I know there's no general point to my post , but please don't equate America with the West (because we're West to the XTREME!), and please don't talk about America like it's some tumor on th world that needs radiation and chemo and finally a trip the the crematorium, because we're learning as fast as we can.

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Ingenuity is a car stopped by jumping out and dragging it to a stop?
Posted by: jmp on Nov 4, 2007 2:47 AM   
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Maybe we should forgo air bags, fuel injection, catalytic converters, disk brakes and power everything and go back to the Model-T.

According to Ford, the Model-T got 13 to 21 MPG. It had 20 HP and a top speed of 45

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