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Why the GOP's Gay Wing Is Forced to Hide in the Bathroom

By Nina Burleigh, Huffington Post. Posted August 30, 2007.


It's time for Republicans to embrace their own gay wing and stop fueling the sickness of suppression that drives men like Larry Craig into airport bathroom stalls.

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The demise of Idaho Republican Senator Larry Craig amuses those of us who enjoy watching right-wing heroes crash to the ground, spiked on their own hypocrisy. It further confirms my theory: prick any conservative and the kink oozes out. The rockier the rib, the more likely you'll find pink lingerie under the trousers or a bullwhip and manacles in the bedside drawer. You can bet those Beltway dominatrices, madams and escorts (gay and straight) have been able to buy second homes -- maybe even in Sun Valley! -- with their haul during W's reign.

However, because we are people of compassion, we should also feel a little horrified by this tortured man's sad, humiliating demise. He's obviously lived his whole life afflicted by the religious psychobabble and outright bigotry of people who say homosexuality is a sickness and a lifestyle decision instead of an innate state of being that has nothing to do with illness or choice.

The sickness, of course, is in the suppression, which is why closeted men seek love in rank public bathroom stalls.

The Republican Party got Bush re-elected in 2004 by playing the homophobe card. In Ohio, their minions went door-to-door in Amish country and warned the historically non-secular inhabitants that if they didn't get out and register Republican, gay marriage would be the law of the land. Tens of thousands of Amish men and women hitched horses to buggies, cracked their whips, and raced to the nearest polling place to vote to repel the Sodomites. With their unprecedented help, Ohio, that crucial state, slid ever so narrowly into the red column, sending the Bush regime back to the White House with four more years to plot how to bomb Tehran.

The trouble with this wedge issue, as everyone now knows, is that it's Republican suicide. The hateful public stance of the party has driven its many gay members into ever more contorted acts of self-loathing excess, driving the disease of suppression out in the open and subjecting men to public stoning by their own frenzied followers.

Foley, Haggard and Craig are only the most famous. There's Florida Rep. Bob Allen, also caught lurking for sex in a public bathroom, Corporal Matt Sanchez, gay porn star and -- for a shining moment -- Fox News channel's right wing Marine of the moment. And who can forget Jeff Gannon, the right-wing faux journalist with a secret life as a gay escort favored with a hard (yes!) White House press pass by the Bush administration communications department.

Yesterday, Republicans were sprinting away from shiny-shod, crisply cuffed mountain man Larry. Craig "represents the Republican Party," Rep. Pete Hoekstra, Republican of Michigan, said. You got that right, Pete! And then: "I think it's important for Republicans to step out right now and say, 'No, this behavior is not going to be tolerated.'"

"Tolerated." Now there's a word Republicans should meditate on for a long moment.

When I was covering Capitol Hill just before Clinton's impeachment, every other young, spiffily manicured male staffer I met in Republican Congressional offices was at least androcentric, if not obviously gay. I don't have a sensitive gay-dar, but there was something about them. Ties never askew, hair immaculately groomed, cuffs gleaming, they usually knew more about my shoes than I did.

Bill Clinton's voracious heterosexuality had as much to do with drawing their rabid hatred as any of his other attributes. He loved women too much, and if only he'd given equal time and effort to seducing those beautiful men, he might have saved himself some trouble.

Republicans in Washington know there are probably more gay men in their ranks than there are on Castro Street.

Still, against all logic and sense, they won't utter a word about tolerance.

It's time for Republicans to embrace their own gay wing and stop fueling the sickness of suppression that drives men like Larry Craig into airport bathroom stalls. Until they do, they're headed straight for the toilet with him -- not that they shouldn't jump right in anyway.

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Nina Burleigh has written for the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune and New York magazine.

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Come Out, Come Out, Whoever You Are
Posted by: pongji on Aug 30, 2007 12:32 PM   
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Isn't it time that Gay Repuplicans came out of the Water Closet?

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» Whoever You Are? My Guess Is... Posted by: malcolmartin
I think the psychology of these freaks is a little more complex...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 30, 2007 12:47 PM   
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The notion of 'closeted gays' as an explanation for the bizarre behavior of many of these Republicans is probably wrong.

A better term might be 'sexual predator' or 'repressed individuals'. There are a lot of issues here - probably involving a desire on the part of these jaded Senators to dominate their victims in some form or other. Mark Foley is a classic example - here was a guy who was trying to make a name for himself by Toughening up child sex abuse laws - while engaging in precisely the sort of behavior that he was condemning.

"WASHINGTON, DC – May 18, 2005 – The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC) applauds Congressman Mark Foley (R-FL) and Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) for introducing sweeping legislation that will overhaul our nation’s current sex offender registration and community notification law entitled the Jacob Wetterling Crimes Against Children and Sexually Violent Offender Act of 1994.

“Today, there are more than a half million sex offenders that are “supposed” to be registered in the United States; however at least 100,000 of these offenders are actually “missing” from the system. This is a massive problem,” said NCMEC President and CEO Ernie Allen. “I commend Congressman Foley and Senator Hatch for recognizing that the current federal sex offender law needs to be revamped. This new legislation will help build a more comprehensive system for tracking sex offenders and better protect our nation’s children.”


(Hey - is Foley now a 'registered sex offender'?)

I suppose this is the kind of thing that happens to people who've been told their entire lives by religious authorities that 'sex is sinful' and that they 'shouldn't think about sex' - as a result, all they ever think about is sex. (Don't think of a blue elephant - it's sinful to think about blue elephants...).

What's unnerving is that these are the very same people who control some of the most powerful committees in Congress. Craig is on Appropriations, Energy and Natural Resources, for example, and his subcommittees include:

* Ranking Republican for the Interior and Related Agencies Subcommittee.
* Homeland Security,
* Agriculture
* Energy and Water Development,
* Labor-Health and Human Services
* Military Construction-Veterans Affairs

Now THAT's disturbing.

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Anderson Cooper is the Model...
Posted by: CatDad on Aug 30, 2007 1:16 PM   
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For how many in the GOP (as well as much of American society) wants their gays to behave...That is...they should be "non-gay" gays...You can dress well, be slender and tidy..but don't acknowledge to being a homosexual....So get married and when you feel the need to satisfy your urges...sneak out to some dangerous bathroom to get your kicks on the side...

Memo to Heterosexuals: Ultimately, when you hang on to the theory that gay people can change....ultimately it is unsuspecting heterosexuals who pay the price...Unsuspecting straight women or men who marry gay or lesbian partners who are trying to fit into society's "norms."

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» I had the misfortune Posted by: hurricane hugo
» RE: I had the misfortune Posted by: davidbdr
Another Hypocritical Angle
Posted by: cellorelio on Aug 30, 2007 1:20 PM   
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One of the reasons homophobes have argued that queers must be kept from sensitive positions, particularly ones that would require a security clearance, is because they would be subject to blackmail. Um, excuse me, but if they were living out of the closet, wouldn't that be a moot point?

And, how is it that a heterosexual with a penchant for wearing diapers and visiting prostitutes is any less subject to blackmail?

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» as someone else said on another thread, Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Good point Posted by: Philip Newton
Well, whaddaya expect?
Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 30, 2007 1:57 PM   
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The Clinton years showed us that the repugnicans don't want male politicians who like girls. The "election" of Dumbya showed that they don't even want male politicians with balls.

Forget Ron Paul - the GOP should nominate RuPaul.

;-)

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Craig Arrest Interview: Audio
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Aug 30, 2007 1:58 PM   
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CNN is broadcasting the audio transcript of the arrest interview. I wish they would have provided a written transcript because it's difficult to hear, but Craig's excuses are pathetic.

He plead guilty. He is a closeted homo. He has given the rest of us non-closeted gays a horrible name all for the Party.

According to Senator Craig the police officer saw something that 'didn't happen'. Right. Moron.

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» RE: Craig Arrest Interview: Audio Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Mary Bono has bigger b*lls than most of the Republicans.
Posted by: Artkansas on Aug 30, 2007 2:21 PM   
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She at least boycotted the last National Convention to show support of her constituents in the Palm Springs area

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The pathology is Rethuglicanism whether gay or straight.
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Aug 30, 2007 2:24 PM   
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Of course, being a gay Republican politician poses some serious problems in a party insisting on calling your nature a sin, and forcing the pretense of warped family and religious values as the ostentatious flag of the party.

We know what's under that flag now. But what about that flag itself-- the banner of Rethuglicanism, win at all costs partisanship that pushes for its own power and to heck with the real needs of the American people?

That's the most disturbing pathology of all.

To be a Rethuglican politician nowadays, not only do you have to be in the closet if gay, but sell your soul to a heirarchical leadership structure that hates factual information, independant journalism, science, and the needs of the American people, in fact has profound contempt for everything America has stood for in 200 plus years of the Constitution. That's some pretty intense self-aggrandizing self-hatred, to the point where the riches the Party bestows upon you for enriching it, is the goal of your existence.

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Silly Liberals Miss the Gay Point
Posted by: Matt Sanchez on Aug 30, 2007 3:21 PM   
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Nina in her true "tolerant" state of cluelessness refuses to condemn lewd behavior. What a moral coward.

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» umm, dude... Posted by: hurricane hugo
» Okay, that is sort of funny... Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: Okay, that is sort of funny... Posted by: VannaLaRoche
» RE: Silly Liberals Miss the Gay Point Posted by: SatanicJamboree
Beltway sex workers
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Aug 30, 2007 3:36 PM   
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should get hazard pay.

plur

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The tapper in the crapper
Posted by: Philip Newton on Aug 30, 2007 3:51 PM   
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No one "forced" the Senator from "I da ho" to prowl men's rooms looking for thrills.

He clearly enjoys it. Leave him alone.

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» Irony poor blood? Posted by: Philip Newton
If they did
Posted by: kelt65 on Aug 30, 2007 5:29 PM   
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they'd stop being republicans. It doesn't make any sense. At best, right wing gays think of themselves as some joke of nature; they're pathetic.

Besides, self loathing gays make the best conservatives.

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Republicans win elections by pandering to the base
Posted by: drcyflowers on Aug 30, 2007 5:59 PM   
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Why does the Republican party force its gay members to be closeted?

The Republican party represents the rich and the corporations, but those people are not enough to win elections. In order to win elections, the Republican party must get votes from its base, uneducated blue-collar Americans who are easily fooled into voting against their own interests. In return for their votes, the party does some token actions for them, such as pandering to their hatred of gays.

No Republican would be elected without votes from uneducated blue-collar Americans. Winning at all cost is all that matters to the rich and the corporations, therefore the Republican party will always work against gay rights.

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Are these the moral requirements necessary to be a Republican now?
Posted by: Nedtheredhead on Aug 30, 2007 6:30 PM   
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Republican legislator Ted Klaudt was charged with raping girls under the age of 16.

Republican city councilman Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls.

Republican congressional aide Jeffrey Nielsen was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.

Republican County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.

Republican prosecutor Larry Corrigan was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys -- ages ten and 12 -- during a six-year period.

Republican County Board Candidate Brent Schepp was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after "sexually explicit" emails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting sex from an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtin was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

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Propositioning OK, Being "Not Gay" All That Matters
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 30, 2007 8:24 PM   
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This Senator on TV blabbing about how he is "not gay," was just ridiculous. Even more pathetic was his obvious focus, not on his "lewd" propositioning in public restrooms, but on being "not gay."
Presumably then, the propositioning is or was not the issue for him, but being "not gay" was the only thing that mattered. Well, Senator, OK then, you are or don't have to "be gay." But, please knock off the propositioning under toilet stalls in public urinals.

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What about entrapment?
Posted by: rad6 on Aug 30, 2007 9:46 PM   
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OK, so Craig is a hypocrite, a liar, a cheater, and who knows what else. But I'm surprised that no one (whether left or right or inbetween) is bothered about the fact that a man was arrested for tapping his foot and flashing hand signals. First of all, don't police have anything better to do? Second of all, Craig never actually did anything, not even flash the undercover cop. Whatever the meaning of the signals, this guy was taken in for tapping his foot and sticking his hand under a stall. Is something wrong here? Even more frightening is that no one is raising any questions about this.

The second major problem of this story (some people have picked up on it) is the slippage from anonymous bathroom sex to being "gay." Craig himself is most guilty by responding to the arrest by saying "I'm not gay." All of a sudden being gay is equated not only with a freaky Republican (SCARY!!!) but also with anonymous bathroom sex. I wonder how all of this plays for people who have a shallow understanding of sexuality, which is probably a big percentage of the population.

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» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: Urstrly
» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: okfemale
» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: paulaH
» RE: What about entrapment? Posted by: paulaH
Entrapment My Ass
Posted by: Astroboy on Aug 31, 2007 4:31 AM   
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Larry Craig initiated contact!

If he had just sat there, took a crap and then left, we wouldn't be amusing ourselves with all this purient delight.

Intrapment is the "To Catch a Predator" show.

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Sex not love
Posted by: rrk70 on Aug 31, 2007 4:33 AM   
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Homosexual and bisexual men are not looking for love in toilet stalls: they're looking for anonymous sex. And maybe the inherent possible danger (getting punched or arrested) is much of the motivation. Such 'Tea Room' sex, as it used to be called, was once one of the few venues homosexuals of old had. With less repression, and the advent of being 'gay', which is different from being homosexual only in that one is open and honest about it rather than living in the closet, many other venues now exist for those with similar inclinations to meet and have sex. For those still deep in the closet, for whatever reason (being a Rethuglican, married, a self-loathing homophobic hypocrite), toilet stall sex may still be the only opportunity to satisfy same-sex needs, which are far more common than most people have been led to believe. All the recent revelations of Rethuglican involvement in such activities is doing much to educate the nation, and hopefully for the better.

It is hard to understand with Craig's situation, as with Foley's, what the crime is. Craig's case is clearly entrapment because no explicit sexual activity occurred. Foley engaged in raunchy adolescent conversations with teenagers over the age of consent, but under 18. The age of consent in Washinton is 16. No sexual activity between Foley and any of the pages has been alleged, to my knowledge. Even if Foley had consenual sex with any of the pages it wasn't illegal. So was his offense criminal speech?

Intergenerational sex may be offensive, and inappropriate to some (especially the parents of young people) but mostly only if it is of the homosexual variety. How many middle-aged men are interested in teenage females? How many middle-aged men trade in their wives for much, much younger models? If Craig & Foley were getting it on with females how many men would high-five them in the locker room, or secretly say to themselves, "lucky bastards, wish I was gettin' some of that".

These cases are really about intolerance and homophobia. If Craig was banging some female in the toilet in mid-flight (the mile-high club) or some quiet corner or broom closet in the airport would he be arrested? If Foley was hitting on late teenage females over the age of consent, as many husbands have done with babysitters, would he be seen in such a negative light? For Rethuglicans this is about homosexuality, and their expressed conviction that it is immoral, even though they are no less homosexual or bisexual than any other humans.

The rank hypocrisy of it all is absolutely disgusting.

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» RE: Sex not love Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Sex not love Posted by: greenman
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» RE: Sex not love Posted by: paulaH
We need a Change
Posted by: Sushi on Aug 31, 2007 4:37 AM   
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Changing because you were caught
doesn't make you honest.

Changing because you were forced to confess and now live under watchful eyes,
doesn't make you fixed.

Change because you can't live being who you are.

And change alone.

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» RE: We need a Change Posted by: Lauren
» RE: It's about control Posted by: Sushi
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» RE: We need a Change Posted by: paulaH
Amish vote?
Posted by: annekarina on Aug 31, 2007 5:59 AM   
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Since when do Amish vote? That's one I haven't heard of.

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» RE: Amish vote? Posted by: bornxeyed
Stereotypes anyone? Nina?
Posted by: sootz on Aug 31, 2007 6:13 AM   
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The thing that made me most uncomfortable about this article, which asks the Republicans for tolerance, was the author's own ridiculous stereotyping and speculation.

"When I was covering Capitol Hill just before Clinton's impeachment, every other young, spiffily manicured male staffer I met in Republican Congressional offices .... knew more about my shoes than I did."

And how does she know this? Discussing her wardrobe with the Republicans was she?

"Bill Clinton's voracious heterosexuality had as much to do with drawing their rabid hatred as any of his other attributes."

And besides her own flights of imagination, the evidence for this statement is ..... what?

Intolerance takes many forms. With friends like this......

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» Not necessarily a stereotype Posted by: zyxwvut
» RE: Stereotypes anyone? Nina? Posted by: leftgayguy
I believe him
Posted by: Soco on Aug 31, 2007 8:18 AM   
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Why?

Craig may be a "deeply closeted homosexual" but I can assure you he enjoys his activity. People skydive because the inherent risk gives them satisfaction and pleasure. I'm sure he also loves to pray for forgiveness and psychologically self-flagellate himself before his personal god. He can always say "The devil made me do it."

It's about sexual gratification and power. We are seeing that the political nobility in this country (especially conservative Republican) have very different values behind closed doors and mirror the average person's fears and take advantage of them. These Patricians act noble for the public. It worked for thousands of years. If the list above is correct (Are these the moral requirements necessary to be a Republican now?) and I'm sure it's close if not completely accurate, then we have an infestation of hypocrites and psychopaths in office. Ever hear of the "Franklin Coverup?" This isn't about sexuality, but that power corrupts absolutely.

Damn shame because not all conservatives are bad. There are people of principle and values who rank among them. I fear the tyranny of Liberalism more than anything. Remember, "NeoCons" means "New Conservatives" and most of this crowd stampeded to the far right. We need a moderate movement in this country.

I bet the people they duped are going to seriously turn on them. I fear they will not say "Maybe we should try to understand homosexuals" but "Look at what these dirty homosexuals are doing" without understanding that hetero and homosexuals are equally capable of what most consider perversion. Extreme fundamentalists have never understood their own humanity and their inner demons. I'm sure a guy performing oral sex on me would feel good. They are afraid of this reality and know the taboo makes it wrong and sought after. I'm sure not all homosexuals engage in bodily-fluid swapping orgies.

Hetrosexuals are jailed for public lewdness as well. Any sane person would be disturbed and disappointed if their son screwed a girl in the bushes and was caught in the act (or not). In this case, the Police were there for a reason, people complained and wanted it stopped. Not everyone wants to see people having sex in public. I'm sure rational, average gay people don't do this. I'm certain the fear from people who oppose homosexuality stems from the Larry Craigs of the world who give them the perception all homosexuals engage in lewd acts in public as a matter of course. If you are a deeply religious conservative Republican, you also bear responsibility for willingly ostracizing homosexuals. There is no commandment codemning homosexuality and Jesus himself keep company with sinners and the sick.

Sure, consensual sex between adults is okay, but sex is also a private matter. I think sex in general works better in a relationship, not on a tile floor in an airport. Semantically he did not have sex, nor is he really gay (because acknowledging it means you are at least capable of having a relationship) he just wanted to perform a lewd act in public for sexual gratification. His clever wordplay blames everyone but himself. He lies, is hypocritical, cheats on his wife and debases himself. It's not that he is a pole smoker so muchas he is a hypocrite. He should not be a Senator because he figuratively screwed the people who elected him as well as homosexuals.

Honestly, this guy wanted to get caught. Having sex in a public restroom could only increase the likelihood of getting caught. Doesn't it seem to be a gamble to do so when he had so much at stake? You may go to Vegas with the intention to win but you know your going to end up losing. What do all gamblers have in common? They lose. Reminds me of the joke were a hunter fails several time to shoot a bear and always ends up being sodomized by the bear, who finally exclaims "You aren't here to hunt are you?"

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johngary
Posted by: johngary on Aug 31, 2007 9:16 AM   
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According to Freud, human sexuality is one of homo sapiens strongest drives. Also according to Frued the state and relegion have attempted to control and subvert that drive since very ealy times. By sublimating that drive, the sexual drive is channeled into the work of the state or "church".
But human sexuality has never been fully controled even by the powerful Catholic Church--Duhhh.
And the plain fact is that sexuality is inherintly "queer". Genitals seem to think if it feels good it is OK. For genitals that pleasure is the NORMAL DRIVE.
As long as Homo Sapiens are around "queer" behavior will abound and Emperors, Presidents, Pharoes, Kings, Popes, Senators, Parliamentarians, Brown Shirts etcetera and of course comon folk will follow their genitals.

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Don't waste the paper
Posted by: grn1 on Aug 31, 2007 9:36 AM   
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The thing that bothers me most about this incident, is that Larry was picking up a piece of toilet paper on a public restroom floor. FOR WHAT? Was he going to use it? Was he being tidy (some sort of inference can be drawn from that). It is unfortunate that those who attack gays in society through legislation , use them for some sort of twisted head trip.

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» RE: Don't waste the paper Posted by: Lauren
mick3
Posted by: mick3 on Aug 31, 2007 11:24 AM   
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The problem for the rest of us is that these men had no compunction in demonizing millions of others in order to keep their place in the Republican Party. And demonizing is not just words (calumny), it's a matter of damaging other people's lives. But the root of the problem is modern religions which have fastened onto human appetites in order to exert control. Of the appetites, food and sex top the list. Only scientific advances could free liberal Jews from dietary strictures that made sense in the time before refrigeration and the discovery of trichinae, and only after being widely ignored by newly educated populations did the Catholic church lift the ban on meat on Friday's, for instance. But then, the Catholic church has always bent with the wind while purporting to be the font of all moral laws and wisdom. So food wasn't such an effective means of control after all.

But sex. Sex is always a good bet for instilling guilt and fear. Our modern mythologies are particularly focused on all things sexual because they are designed to glorify the male and subjugate females; and, of course, straight males see gay men as feminine, so must be vilified and hated, subjugated. Also, these straights might actually be hit on by a gay guy! No matter that females are hit on by all kinds of creeps and intimidating bullies, and yet hardly a female feels it necessary to attack or kill because of it. But oh, those poor wimpy straight guys! Gotta feel for them, so vulnerable and all.

It was only a couple of centuries ago that males felt free to express affection and even love for one another. Now it must all be suppressed, whether hetero or homo. How sad.

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» RE: mick3 Posted by: Lauren
Not GAY but BISEXUAL
Posted by: knowingwoman on Aug 31, 2007 12:02 PM   
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There is a difference between being Gay and being Bisexual. I would suspect public sex is most often Bisexual men. These men tend to be more closeted than the Gay community.

In this day and age folks should become informed about the difference. While the communities cross-over (just as the Straight community crosses over with the Bisexual community), I believe Bisexuals have an entire set of their own problems. Most often these are men who are Bisexual but who function as Straight socially and most of them with their partners (female dating partners, significant others, and wives). Go check out craigslist personals sometime. Bisexual men have more of a need to hunt down a sexual encounter in these ways or in quick hook-ups than Gay men.

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Not necessarily a GAY issue even
Posted by: knowingwoman on Aug 31, 2007 12:08 PM   
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Probably Bisexual and/or men who have other issues if they are predators or are engaging in this kind of risque behavior.

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Why would anyone want to be a Republican?
Posted by: leemiller38 on Aug 31, 2007 2:13 PM   
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Given the times, the war, the corruption, the power mongering and general incompetence of this administration and the authoritarian and repressive nature of the religious right, why would anyone want to be associated with the GOP, gay or straight!

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The "pound of prevention" idea...........
Posted by: tap17x on Aug 31, 2007 3:05 PM   
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.............leads me to suggest that we jail ALL Refucklicans for say 30 years to prevent more molestations. This would clean up much more than just sexually deviant behavior.

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