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Can We End the American Empire Before It Ends Us?

By Chalmers Johnson, Tomdispatch.com. Posted May 17, 2007.


Brilliant historian and essayist Chalmers Johnson argues that unless we face up to the tremendous strain our empire is having on America, we will lose our democracy, and then it will not matter much what else we lose.
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In politics, as in medicine, a cure based on a false diagnosis is almost always worthless, often worsening the condition that is supposed to be healed. The United States, today, suffers from a plethora of public ills. Most of them can be traced to the militarism and imperialism that have led to the near-collapse of our Constitutional system of checks and balances. Unfortunately, none of the remedies proposed so far by American politicians or analysts addresses the root causes of the problem.

According to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, released on April 26, 2007, some 78% of Americans believe their country to be headed in the wrong direction. Only 22% think the Bush administration's policies make sense, the lowest number on this question since October 1992, when George H. W. Bush was running for a second term -- and lost. What people don't agree on are the reasons for their doubts and, above all, what the remedy -- or remedies -- ought to be.

The range of opinions on this is immense. Even though large numbers of voters vaguely suspect that the failings of the political system itself led the country into its current crisis, most evidently expect the system to perform a course correction more or less automatically. As Adam Nagourney of the New York Times reported, by the end of March 2007, at least 280,000 American citizens had already contributed some $113.6 million to the presidential campaigns of Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Mitt Romney, Rudolph Giuliani, or John McCain.

If these people actually believe a presidential election a year-and-a-half from now will significantly alter how the country is run, they have almost surely wasted their money. As Andrew Bacevich, author of The New American Militarism, puts it: "None of the Democrats vying to replace President Bush is doing so with the promise of reviving the system of check and balances.... The aim of the party out of power is not to cut the presidency down to size but to seize it, not to reduce the prerogatives of the executive branch but to regain them."

George W. Bush has, of course, flagrantly violated his oath of office, which requires him "to protect and defend the constitution," and the opposition party has been remarkably reluctant to hold him to account. Among the "high crimes and misdemeanors" that, under other political circumstances, would surely constitute the Constitutional grounds for impeachment are these: the President and his top officials pressured the Central Intelligence Agency to put together a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iraq's nuclear weapons that both the administration and the Agency knew to be patently dishonest. They then used this false NIE to justify an American war of aggression. After launching an invasion of Iraq, the administration unilaterally reinterpreted international and domestic law to permit the torture of prisoners held at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad, at Guant·namo Bay, Cuba, and at other secret locations around the world.

Nothing in the Constitution, least of all the commander-in-chief clause, allows the president to commit felonies. Nonetheless, within days after the 9/11 attacks, President Bush had signed a secret executive order authorizing a new policy of "extraordinary rendition," in which the CIA is allowed to kidnap terrorist suspects anywhere on Earth and transfer them to prisons in countries like Egypt, Syria, or Uzbekistan, where torture is a normal practice, or to secret CIA prisons outside the United States where Agency operatives themselves do the torturing.

On the home front, despite the post-9/11 congressional authorization of new surveillance powers to the administration, its officials chose to ignore these and, on its own initiative, undertook extensive spying on American citizens without obtaining the necessary judicial warrants and without reporting to Congress on this program. These actions are prima-facie violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (and subsequent revisions) and of Amendment IV of the Constitution.

These alone constitute more than adequate grounds for impeachment, while hardly scratching the surface. And yet, on the eve of the national elections of November 2006, then House Minority Leader, now Speaker, Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), pledged on the CBS News program "60 Minutes" that "impeachment is off the table." She called it "a waste of time." And six months after the Democratic Party took control of both houses of Congress, the prison at Guant·namo Bay was still open and conducting drumhead courts martial of the prisoners held there; the CIA was still using "enhanced interrogation techniques" on prisoners in foreign jails; illegal intrusions into the privacy of American citizens continued unabated; and, more than fifty years after the CIA was founded, it continues to operate under, at best, the most perfunctory congressional oversight.


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Chalmers Johnson is the author of Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic (New York: Metropolitan Books, 2007). It is the final volume of his Blowback Trilogy.

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There is not enough votes to impeach!
Posted by: Thundergod on May 17, 2007 12:17 AM   
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Bush will not be impeached because there is enough die hard Bush supporters in congress to defeat it...

Maybe after the other party wins veto proof majorities in the house and senate and president positions they will impeach the president and send to where he belongs... Jail!!!

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An end to everything
Posted by: Lector on May 17, 2007 1:23 AM   
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Chalmers said: “world forces are gathering to stop us” How they would I’m not sure or if such forces actually exist but America’s reaction to them would be extreme and we’d all perish. Clearly, this Administration’s choice would be “victory” or nothing.

Chalmers said: “Even though large numbers of voters vaguely suspect that the failings of the political system itself led the country into its current crisis, most evidently expect the system to perform a course correction more or less automatically.”

That’s right, we live in a fantasy world; not a single candidate has promised to revive the system of checks and balances. When the Democrats held the majority in the 2006 elections there was a great hurrah but since then only token laws have been passed while the bread and circus act by both parties goes on.

There are a lot of movements out there from those who have awakened to dismantle this empire: the Lincoln Initiative, those pushing a Constitutional Convention under Article V, those wanting to shut down the Federal Reserve System, and a dozen others. But maybe America is just too big to get its act together. A country like Denmark or Norway would wake up faster but the US has so many dimensions to it, so many different people and interests. Maybe we will probably revert to our barbaric past, to bloody riots and hangings in the streets when the lights go out.

Robert Lightfoot

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» RE: An end to everything Posted by: daw13
» RE: An end to everything Posted by: Universal
It will take more time and perhaps another disasterous war
Posted by: bob357 on May 17, 2007 1:38 AM   
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The basics are right but realistically it will take more pain to the body politic before the message gets through to the voters.

The Democrats just promise more of the same albeit with a nicer face.

Perhaps if a real anti war candidate was to run - Like Ron Paul. Then todays internet connected world all the money that the "lead" candidates like Hilary Clinton or Obama would not be able roll back the tide of support for such an anti imperialist candidate.

Anyone up for the challange I wonder?

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A smokescreen!
Posted by: Temporary on May 17, 2007 1:58 AM   
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That "empire thing" is just a smokescreen to hide your TRUE ILLS! The WOUND is still there, and now probobly BIGGER then ever before!

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» Ban Australians from Alternet! Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Liquidate American Rednecks....
Posted by: Blade on May 17, 2007 3:28 AM   
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Great essay, a real piece of work. The "must" do items, reverse our stance in Iraq and fiscally at home will never happen.

Didn't you hear the applause for Romney, etc., last night when he said the prisons need to be doubled?

Makes me sick, but Americans have turned into self-centered redneck assholes.

When I was growing up, in late fifties, sixties, and early seventies, we wanted to be educated, sophisticated, aware of the world, and we wanted to grow out of our provincial roots.

But there has been a regression, and I wish someone could tell me why, and how it happened.

For the last many years, I think, provincialism, backward small thinking has taken hold everywhere. Even Hip-hop is a provincialism gone huge, for example.

Largely, this war and the way Bush operates reflects mainstream Amerika.

Nothing will change.

No one is going to revolt, not even if we have another depression.

Maybe part of our culture has grown mentally, the internet part, but the rest of Amerika is a bunch of self-centered lazy narrowminded uneducated rednecks.

Nothing will change.

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» RE: Liquidate American Rednecks.... Posted by: feduphoosier
» Free American Rednecks Posted by: Davidco
» Answer to your question, Why: Posted by: freerain
» RE: Blade....Ditto Posted by: sasquuatch55
» RE: Blade....Ditto Posted by: Rabbitman
» RE: Blade....Ditto Posted by: jobie1kno
marionette - a puppet worked from ABOVE by strings.
Posted by: Windwhistler on May 17, 2007 4:15 AM   
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I agree and see NO WAY of turning this situation around. US are our enemy and we WILL bite the dust. How did it happen? It came from the top. Yes, greed at the top! Very skillful brain washing with associated economic/educational manlpulations have turned US citizens into an army of marionettes.

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Universal
Posted by: Universal on May 17, 2007 4:19 AM   
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When all the same elements in the Weimar Regime, before Nazi Germany, German corporate, capitalist olligarchy: the servile corrupted middle classes, themselves corrupting class ideologistst, apppeasing class whores, to the the class thugs, Brownshirts, Nazis, alongside the unemployed workers and lower middle classes, was in play, in crisis, the role of ideology and hisotry determined the crossroads between class despotism, class democracy, morphing into class tyranny, Class Empire of Western corporate fascism, or revolutionary democracy or socialism. This same set of extreme relations, exists today with the Corporate and State Police-fascist Powers make up the Corporate Fascism of Amerika, with its fascist foreign policies.

At the time Leon Trotsky, the exiled Russian revolutionary was writing profusely about the failures of ideology, strategy to fight this march towards Nazi Empire. Unlike Amerika, Germany had two working class parites, although both fatally corrupted by either internal class corruption, the appeasing social democrats, class whores, or by the external class corruption, class nationalism of the Stalinist parties, themselves corrupted, willingly, by bureaucrats, following the same appeasing fatal class strategies, appeasing class nationalism, of Western global capitalism. They both had their desired effect for the class nationalists, nazis, rednecks, whose two working class parties were divided, and who had no international stategy in place to stop the Nazi class Empire.

In Amerika we have the same class appeasing whores, class liberals, who routinely capitulate to the corporate and fascist imperial interests, and class thugs of the Republicans, Neocons, and Zionist fascists, cheerleading insane imperial wars, where Bolton and Cheney can Goosestep towards another Imperial war against Iran, while the so called "rock stars", the Corporate media designates, its class whores, Barack O Bama and Hillary Clinton, who grovel not only at the feet of AIPAC, the Israeli warmongering lobby in Amerika, but also servile to its own Class nationalism, imperialism.

The combined strategy and ideological tools that Trotsky exhorted and warned was needed, in his book, work: The Struggle against Fascism in Germany, was to get both the middle layers, and working classes to form an alliance, based on universal standards, not class standards, with their own parties based on social justice and democracy. The purpose of an uncorrupted class ideology, was to dismantle the corrupted middle layers, its link to Western capitalist oligarchy, the corrupt link which produces the class mechanism, between inherent wholesale corruption, servility by class hierarchies to Corporate thugs, and the reconstructing the universal link back to a fully developed, cohesive middle layered alliance between the workers and middle classes, to re-connect to the inherent universal center of such a middle edifice, instead of the right wing corrupting shift by oligarchy, that calls the universal center, moral center, and revolutionary classes the left, only because their center, class standards are all corrupted to the right.

The left is the true center of agency, universal morality, and actors which can fight this Class rot and criminality, providing it has not degenerated, by failed strategies, between internal class corruption or external class corruption, between isolated, national struggles, that are not based on international strategies, the very same framework that the Enlightenment, revolutionary liberals, before them, based their world outlook. Yes, folks, ideology, history, and strategies are the stuff between an end, permamently to 2000 years of class rule or another fascist, disaster on top of Vietnam, Iraq, and the Middle East. Will we learn???

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Structural Reforms Needed As Well AS Policy Reforms
Posted by: waterislifeaguaesvida on May 17, 2007 5:21 AM   
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One concrete lesson is that the lack of Congressional power in this latest escapade indicates the real need to move away from the Unitary Executive and begin to increase the powers of Congress. This includes proportional representation of parties, limiting Presidential warmaking powers, increasing civilian state disaster response corps to restrict size of the states' National Guards, increase reparations to Iraq through tax increases and pay for crimes by Hussein for crimes against the Kurds through oil royalties from US and Iraqi sources and campaign finance reform and abolishment of the Electoral College.

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otto
Posted by: otto on May 17, 2007 5:26 AM   
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Really good article! But I would add that our movement to be the next big empire goes back 100 years. Reagan and this particular Bush have brought it to its disastrous climax!

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» Damned straight, otto. Posted by: Sojourner
The First History Lesson Needed
Posted by: gdonald on May 17, 2007 5:37 AM   
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The First History Lesson that is needed is for the people to understand the difference between a Democracy and a Republic. It isn't symantics, it is a valuable lesson. These two writers make the same fatal flaw as so many when they describe us as a democracy.

This is a Republic. Democracies allow a nation to be imperial. The Republic as set up under our Constitution and Bill of Rights does not. The problem is that today every politician and nearly every person operates and thinks like we are a democracy. The way the Senate is elected now is democracy not the original republic. The way our President's rule is democracy not the original republic.

It is fundamental that we go back and learn exactly why our founders adhored a democracy and founded us as a republic. Unless we stop this fatal error the empire will just continue to operate as it does now and nothing will change.

When I read supposed educated people's writings and they talk about "our democracy", I realize they don't know what they are talking about. Until we learn this history lesson and force our now democracy to go back to being a Republic, all that these writers have to say is mute, worthless rubbish because you have to cure the disease in order to restore the health.Democracy is the disease and the Republic is health.

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» RE: The First History Lesson Needed Posted by: haystack1317
» semantics Posted by: Brutus
Forget Bush. Impeach America’s REAL commander–in-chief.
Posted by: TheTruthSeeker on May 17, 2007 6:01 AM   
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Assume for a moment that George W. is what many detractors believe -- a presidential puppet with invisible strings pulled by someone on his White House staff. If so, who could the Oval Office Svengali be?

ANSWER: Shrub's side-talking sidekick, if course, not Karl Rove.

Look at Dick Cheney's background. Like Rove, he was a Vietnam War draft dodger but with loftier ambitions. Rather than a political guru, the future Veep wanted to be the man in charge, a leader.

Cheney had that chance by taking college ROTC at the University of Wyoming and becoming a commissioned Reserve officer, but there were two strikes against him.

First, he looked like a nerd with his big head (literally) and pudgy body. Perfect road kill material for drill sergeants at ROTC summer camp.

The second strike against Cheney was his lack of bravery. What better way to avoid risky military duty and get ahead in life following graduation then by becoming a politician? And so he did -- in Washington, D.C. -- after five draft deferments, flunking out of college once and getting two DUIs on his driving record. Ideal credentials for a Beltway insider.

Cheney's rise to power in Washington was both remarkable and intentional as his official White House biography shows. In 1969, while other men his age defended freedom in Southeast Asia, he ran for cover in the Nixon administration.

When Gerald Ford assumed the presidency in 1974, Cheney served on the transition team and later as Deputy Assistant to the President. In 1975, he was named White House Chief of Staff, a position he held throughout the remainder of Ford's term.

In 1977, Cheney was elected as Wyoming's congressman in the U.S. House of Representatives. His home state re-elected him five times. He also acted as Chairman of the Republican Policy Committee from 1981 to 1987 and was elected House Minority Whip in 1988.

Cheney later served as Secretary of Defense in the Bush 41 administration. The White House biography makes no mention of him running Halliburton where he obtained Defense Department business worth billions to the diversified oil company from the "single-source" no-bid contract system he created while DOD Secretary.

In 1997, to advance his rightwing extremist (neoconservative) philosophy and influence Congress and officials in the Clinton administration, Cheney joined 24 other prominent GOP hawks and formed the neocon front organization, Project for a New American Century (PNAC).

The other PNAC founders included fellow future Gulf War 2 architects Don Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby. Bush 43 is connected to PNAC through his brother, Jeb, an original member.

Also ignored in Cheney’s White House biography was his role on George W.s presidential campaign team during the 2000 GOP convention.

Assigned the task of selecting candidate Bush's running mate, Richard the Chicken-hearted picked himself, completing his self-propelled rise to power as America's REAL commander-in-chief. A dream come true, unfortunately for 29,000 U.S military personnel killed and wounded in the PNAC-promoted occupation of Iraq.

As tempting as impeachment is for President Bush, with time running out on his second term, Democrats in the House of Representatives should begin proceedings against Cheney and let history books hang his boss -- to swing slowly in disgrace for ad infinitum.

(Extracted from King-George.biz -- the only website with hardcopy proof of White House corruption.)

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» Are you forgetting Kucinich? Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
Misses the problem
Posted by: Lincoln fan on May 17, 2007 6:02 AM   
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"Most of them can be traced to the militarism and imperialism that have led to the near-collapse of our Constitutional system of checks and balances."

IMHO The militarism and imperialism are just one more symptom of our underlying problem. Our problem is that we, the people, are not in control of our government. The corporate establishment is in control.

All other problems are secondary. How can the corporatocracy consider a war with Iran, which the majority of citzens don't support, while continuing a war in Iran that the citizens don't support? Because the citizens have no effect on the government.

Blaming Bush and voting him and his cronies out, will only buy the establishment four more years of control with the "Democrats in power". It will give the illusion of a victory for the people, while the corporate establishment remains in control.

Our both parties are servants of the corporatocracy. We won't be free until both paeries are servants of the people.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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» That's why we need third parties Posted by: Lincoln fan
A new hope....
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on May 17, 2007 6:12 AM   
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America has a golden opportunity in 2008. Dr. Ron Paul is running for the Republican Presidential nomination and his campaign is gaining momentum. He is slaughtering the so-called "front runners" in the debates and his discourse is miles above that of the fear-peddlers. Dr. Paul's suggestion that Islamic hatred towards America might have something to do with Western interventionalist (i.e. imperial) policies was countered by Guiliani spewing the same garbage of "they hate our freedom." One would think ol' Rudy was running for President of 9/11 (see www.theonion.com for some great satire)!!!

Most of the stuff published on Alternet is pure drivel. If you have not read the Constitution of the United States I suggest you do so. Dr. Paul wants to reset our government to a Constitutional Republic as outlined by the founding fathers. He wants to get rid of the Federal Reserve, income tax, inflation tax, the police state AND stop our imperialist policies! What he is proposing, and articluating his arguments for extremely effectively, is RADICAL CHANGE. You will not get that from Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Gore, et. al. You will get more of the same from those clowns, all of whom are bought and paid for.

The MSM is scared of Ron Paul and with good reason. They are censoring his debate success and smearing him every chance they get, especially FOX! The establishment is scared of Ron Paul and with good reason! Alternet progressives - your candidate is sitting on the other side of the room! Abortion, gun control, gay rights, and all of the other sacred cows need to go on the back burner for now. We must SAVE THE REPUBLIC before it is too late! Hold your noses and register as a Republican so you can vote in the primaries. Ron Paul in 2008!

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A very good analysis and plan
Posted by: nopuppy on May 17, 2007 6:21 AM   
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The author doesn't go far enough, in my opinion, but this is an excellent start. Unfortunately, I have so little faith in my fellows that I can't imagine any popular uprising against the system. And since the Military Commissions Act it is obvious that we have already entered the tyranny of the late Roman Empire. As no candidate (a year and a half before the election! That's a sign of the last days in itself) has come out demanding the repeal of the Military Commissions Act and its concommitant horrors, the system obviously will not correct itself and cannot be depended on.

I suppose the only real hope we have is the complete collapse of our current economic system and the energy system it is based on (cheap oil). If the military doesn't have electricity or fuel, it wouldn't be able to run its computers to track the offending populace and might not be able to drop bombs on U.S. citizens or other countries.

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» Point well made. Posted by: Sojourner
Brilliant Analysis, but too late
Posted by: tiellis on May 17, 2007 6:25 AM   
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This piece was a brilliant analysis of the decline of the American republic and emergence of the corrupt, militaristic, neofascist American Empire. But unfortunately, the steps that he recommends to reverse this process and restore integrity to our Constitutional system, while essential, are effectively impossible. The system has too much entropy to reverse its decay into self-propagating tyranny.

How do you "mobilize" the American public, when that public is brainwashed, 24/7, by a vast corporate media empire that is in very few hands, all in cahoots with the regime and with the Military Industrial Complex? Indeed, the vast majority of Americans, Internet notwithstanding, live inside a vast media bubble, a virtual reality created expressly to maintain the imperial status quo. Why else is the well-established fact that both the Kennedy assassination and 9/11 were inside jobs still ignored by the mass media, while anyone who alludes to this is treated with withering contempt and dismissal?

When a flower blooms and withers, nothing will bring back the bloom. The same, I fear, applies to the life-cycle of civilizations. There was a time, in the late 50s and early 60s, when it seemed as if we could truly reach our potential, a mighty, affluent, yet benevolent nation, universally admired, with a truly free press, and with a deep and abiding commitment to freedom, justice, and equal opportunity for all. Even then it was a dream, of course, but the dream was at least plausible--at least it was dreamable.

But as Eisenhower sagaciously warned us, the writing was already on the wall with the emerging Military-Industrial Complex, and when Kennedy threatened to reverse the rot by dissolving the CIA and withdrawing from Vietnam, they simply rubbed him out, along with his brother and Martin Luther King. The malignant gang that then seized power has expanded it ever since, with the brief respite of the Carter years, (when, for a short spell, the ideas of "human rights" and "energy conservation" were reintroduced into public discourse--only to be ridiculed mercilessly by the emerging Right-Wing punditocracy, and abandoned during the Reagan years) --and with the stolen elections of 2000 and 2004, the corporate/military takeover of America was complete. It has been all downhill from there, with increasing velocity.

So I fear that the true America is dead, (RIP--July 4, 1776 to December 12, 2000) while the zombie state of Corporate Amerika, despite declining public support, continues to murderously stalk the planet and pursue its brutal, hegemonic agenda. Nothing will stop this brutal empire now, except its own imminent inner collapse into chaos, random violence, evangelical hysteria, and cold-blooded tyranny, triggered by the peak and decline of world petroleum, economic decline due to mounting deficits, and ecological collapse due to global warming. Welcome to the future!

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» RE: Brilliant Analysis, but too late Posted by: edgar_michel
Doesn't matter what else we lose?
Posted by: Franco33 on May 17, 2007 6:29 AM   
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"...we will lose our democracy, and then it will not matter much what else we lose."

Oh Please. there are a hell of lot of things I care more about losing than about this plastic, fake democracy. Family, friends, job, money... Take away the fake demockracy and people would barely notice. The empire of the rich would still go on - that's the real power center anyway.

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I can't stand the massive whining....
Posted by: kbest on May 17, 2007 6:40 AM   
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Plastic fake democracy? American empire? Please please people, realize you can leave. Go somewhere else where you criticize your government. Go ahead and make crude and rude comments about your president. It's not our fault if you end up in a mass grave.

If the USA really wanted an empire, then why didn't we keep it all when we had soldiers in just about every country in Europe at the conclusion of WWII. We occupied almost the entire far-east as well. Instead we came up with the Marshall Plan, and we built up and gave back the countries we just defeated. Just as we are trying to do in Iraq.

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It will not happen
Posted by: Bobsays on May 17, 2007 7:01 AM   
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If you look at the British empire, it was only rolled back after massive attacks both from the Nazis (WWII) and the anti-imperialist forces across the empire. The British did not give up until they were forced to give it up.

I believe the US will never give up their current hegemonic role for the following reasons:

1) International bodies are effectively worthless and useless at guaranteeing global security
2) Countries like Iran and North Korea are hardly in the position of spreading goodwill around the world
3) The global economy still needs the US, no matter what China and Europe say
4) In history power is never given up willingly, it is taken

I say get ready for the ride because it will be a wild one. I always use my sister-in-law as a bellweather of mainstream opnion and response to global events. So, what has she been up to in the past six years? Well having kids, buying real estate, and reading gossip and celebrity magazines. She has serious attention deficit syndrome and can never hold a conversation on anything meaningful for more than a few minutes before starting to babble something about what she saw on the TV. She is totally disengaged from any movement, she has no interest in getting involved. She has never shown any courage or intelligence when it comes to pursuing stories (she is a journalist) and basically sees the media as a big show (she is blonde). And it is in her that rests our future God bless her. She is the norm, the average, the bedrock that makes sure everything will carry on as it does today.

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» RE: It will not happen Posted by: Nyarlathotep
"a revolutionary mobilization of the American citizenry..."
Posted by: SteveB on May 17, 2007 7:21 AM   
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Chalmers Johnson:
For the U.S., the decision to mount such a campaign of imperial liquidation may already come too late, given the vast and deeply entrenched interests of the military-industrial complex. To succeed, such an endeavor might virtually require a revolutionary mobilization of the American citizenry, one at least comparable to the civil rights movement of the 1960s.

Well, why not? The marches on Washington that the current anti-war movement has organized have been bigger than anything organized by the 60's civil rights movement. A large majority of Americans strongly oppose the war and want it over, the economic costs of the war are starting to be felt across the country, and the failure of Congress to act has millions of people looking for alternatives.

Isn't this the perfect moment to organize the " revolutionary mobilization of the American citizenry" that Johnson calls for?

And what do we see here, instead? Defeatism and depression. Some commenters here whine that the "Presidential candidates" haven't taken up our issues. When have politicians in general, let alone Presidential candidates, ever led the movement for social change? Did the civil rights activists of the 60's wait for Lyndon Johson to take up their cause?

Other commenters engage in lazy generalizations about how the American people are mindless consumerist automatons, unquestioningly swallowing the lies fed to them by their government. When I see comments like this, I wonder what planet the commenter is living on. How can people not see the enormous discontent, questioning and even rebellion that is brewing?

Here's a suggestion: before commenting, in this thread, or any other, think of the things a paid agent of the government might write: "reistance is futile", "nothing will ever change", etc. And then WRITE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

We are the people we've been waiting for, so let's get busy.

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» 'We, the sheeple'... Posted by: Bobsays
Johnson is 100% correct
Posted by: sausage on May 17, 2007 7:56 AM   
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Chalmers Johnson's assessment of the American empire and its impending demise is spot on. Face it, there are no politicians of either mainstream party, perhaps with the exception of Dennis Kucinich, willing to take on the military-aerospace-security-industry complex.

Therefore, ladies and gentlemen, the United States of America is doomed.

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» So who's going to be first? Posted by: sausage
» Revealing reply... Posted by: SteveB
Define the Sheeple
Posted by: Spyder on May 17, 2007 8:05 AM   
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