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An Army of Christian Right Lawyers Is Waging War on the Constitution

By Sarah Posner, The Washington Spectator. Posted April 6, 2007.


A look at the Christian Right's legal muscle leading the fight to end the separation of church and state.

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On a dismal, rainy afternoon, over tea and Pepsi and a plate of fries at the Bob Evans restaurant in Cannonsburg, Kentucky, Bill Scaggs, a retired government and public-relations executive of ARMCO Steel, told me why he thinks that homosexuality is the greatest threat to America. "AIDS kills," was his circa 1984 answer, "and the most common way to pass that on of course is from homosexual contact." His voice cracking with indignation, Scaggs added that he refuses to use the word gay. "It's homosexual, or worse," he says. "Gay is in our Kentucky song! They took it away and trampled on it. We want it back."

Scaggs is a board member of Defenders Voice, a local organization formed two years ago by a group of ministers and their followers who fought the formation of a Gay-Straight Alliance (GSA) at Boyd County High School, just up the road from where we sat. Located on a stretch of state highway dotted with churches, dollar stores, payday lenders, and a drive-through cigarette store, the high school had become a place where anti-gay harassment had become an everyday occurrence.

Most of the time, student organizers of the Boyd County GSA said, the basis for the harassment was religious. One of the organizers, Libby Fugett, said that "most of the people at school, even the younger people, who would call us names at school, they would cuss at us; they would say, You f'ing fag, you're going to hell. . . . They just think it's excusable because their religion backs it up. And that was a really big part of it. It's okay for them to sin against us because we're sinners."

Leading the charge against the GSA were ministers, led by the Rev. Tim York, who said they "believe the Bible to be the word of God; we believe that homosexuality is a sin." (In 2004, York, who is now the pastor of a church in Nashville, ran an unsuccessful campaign for the Kentucky Senate on an anti-gay-marriage platform, with backing from the state and national Republican parties.) York and his followers exerted such intense pressure on school officials that it influenced their decision on the GSA, ultimately forcing the students to sue the school system in order have the GSA recognized.

To settle the case, the school district agreed to conduct mandatory anti-harassment training for all students. Although the training consisted of just a one-hour video once a year, York was intent on preventing students from seeing what he considered "indoctrination [into the] homosexual lifestyle . . . indoctrination to tear down the Christian view that homosexuality is wrong. It is reverse discrimination, is what it is." The minister-led group circulated opt-out forms in an effort to exempt students from watching the video, but the forms were not legally binding. York, his followers, and some parents wanted to exempt Christian students, legally, from watching the court-ordered anti-harassment video. To vindicate what he believed to be their legal rights, York knew exactly where to turn for help: the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF).

THE O'REILLY FACTOR

If Bill O'Reilly had a hero other than himself, it would be ADF and its courtroom crusaders lined up to fight the ACLU, Nickelodeon's homosexual agenda, and heathens who are hell-bent on censoring the words "Merry Christmas." ADF's president, Alan Sears, a former Reagan administration prosecutor who, according to the ADF's website, "God uniquely prepared" for his lead role in the organization, admits to being inspired by the right-wing commentator O'Reilly--hardly known for his jurisprudential acuity--to write portions of his book, The ACLU vs. America.

In the first chapter, Sears maintains that "from the very start, the ACLU wanted to destroy from within the America our founders intended." As proof of the ACLU's supposed anti-American, anti-Christian agenda, Sears fingers ACLU founder Roger Baldwin as an "agnostic and socialist who demonstrated Communist leanings"; Baldwin was moreover a friend of birth control advocate Margaret Sanger, whom Sears calls a "eugenicist who . . . establish[ed] the early link between the ACLU and abortionists." Before the reader has turned even ten pages, Sears has established that only ADF's godly legal services can save the country from the havoc the ACLU has wreaked on its justice system and culture.

While the ACLU gained its reputation by winning cases, ADF's reputation--and fund-raising spigot--preceded its first court case. Created just 13 years ago with the support of such Christian Right powerhouses as James Dobson, D. James Kennedy, and Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ, it is today the nation's leading Christian Right legal organization. Through its National Litigation Academy, ADF has trained more than 900 lawyers, who commit themselves to performing 450 hours of pro bono legal work "on behalf of the body of Christ." It doles out millions of dollars a year to other Christian Right organizations--many of which are already well endowed--to cover attorneys' fees and costs.

Its three principal goals are protecting the "sanctity of human life" (through litigating cases relating to abortion and end-of-life issues); promoting the "traditional family" (via cases concerning gay marriage and adoption); and ensuring the "religious freedom" of Christians (by portraying them as victims of discrimination on the part of those who seek to silence their ability to "speak the Truth" by preaching the Gospel). Using the propaganda machinery of conservative media outlets and churches, ADF has created a zeitgeist of Christian victimhood among people like Rev. York, who believes Christian students are the victims in Boyd County, and who has long admired ADF's "fight with the ACLU to protect Christian freedom and Christian liberty."


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Sarah Posner has covered the religious right for The American Prospect, The Spectator, The Nation and AlterNet. She is at work on a book about televangelists in politics.

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Take It From One
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 6, 2007 1:24 AM   
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I am a Christian and no not subscribe to the viewpoint that these social radicals advocate, nor do the majority of Christians I know. Yes, they do exist and yes there are quite a few of them, but they are more vocal, pushier and keep a higher profile than the rest.

I do not want the government futzing around in matters of faith and I do not want any religious organization delving into politics directly. If a church, mosque, temple or other house of worship wishes to work in a non-partisan way sponsoring voter registration, candidate forums or community projects, that is a different matter. If a faith group wishes to sponsor or participate in the community via cleanup projects, environmental restoration projects, and youth activities they should be allowed on the same basis that any secular organization is allowed to- non-partisan and with no special standing.

With time I have come to the belief that as one advances in one's faith and life experience, a person will become more tolerant and appreciate all that living in a secular democracy affords. I do not wish to live in a theocracy of any kind. If forced to pick sides, I will side with the freethinkers over the zealots of whatever stripe any day.

One of the foundational concepts to almost every traditional Christian group is the concept of free will and the acknowledgment that it is an individual human right. Those who claim to be Christians and desire to force their concepts upon non-beleivers or people of other faiths are violating that which they profess to follow.

I truly think that those commonly called the 'Christian Right' are most commonly people with a strong authoritarian streak who are drawn to the church more as a means to political power and influence and are less driven by the desire to seek God and live in grace, mercy and peace. Otherwise, I think most, but not all of those involved in what the essay describes are posers and not Christ-followers. Not accusing- just observing.

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» Excellent Observations Posted by: djnoll
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» RE: Take It From One Posted by: leafsong1
» RE: Take It From One Posted by: NoPCZone
» AMEN! Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» RE: AMEN! Posted by: willymack
» Animal Farm Posted by: eddie torres
» RE: Take It From One Posted by: paulaH
Celebrating the irrational
Posted by: Moonray on Apr 6, 2007 2:53 AM   
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We are in a new century, but for most of us the year might as well be 1407. The bizarre rituals of religion still dominate most lives -- and impose on the lives of most non-believers -- throughout the Western world. Easter is perhaps the most bizarre religious holiday of all, with overtones of cannibalism, ritual sacrifice and oriental mysticism.

And yet all this weekend our mass media will gush their respect for this nonsense. Not only will they take it seriously, they will pontificate endlessly on its significance and comment favorably on its importance to us a society.

Like all chicanery and buncombe, religion depends on this respectful attitude for its continued existence. If people suddenly refused to genuflect to this absurdity -- refused to continue saying the emperor is wearing pretty clothes indeed -- the religion-peddlers would be left powerless and exposed as frauds.

But there's little danger of that happening. We humans love our insane obsessions and pursue them even unto death.

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» RE: Celebrating the irrational Posted by: MartianBachelor
» You make a good point . . . Posted by: Moonray
hello
Posted by: robchapman on Apr 6, 2007 4:12 AM   
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Global warming, worsening race relations, a greed driven values system, rampant militarism.... and the worst social excess in America is homosexuality?

The Christian right is not protecting values.

They are denying their complicity in and approval of the most harmful and immoral aspects of American society.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: hello Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: Hello. Well Said. But... Posted by: Aimleft
tempest in a teapot
Posted by: kenhymes on Apr 6, 2007 4:30 AM   
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It's all a bunch of fear-mongering by Alternet over relatively small issues. Gay kids are facing discrimination from people of all religious persuasions, and does anyone think that the changes going on in schools about protecting kids who are out with their sexuality were going to happen without legal controversy? The writer presents this stuff as if A: the right were winning the argument, which they're not - a school is showing a video which encourages people to accept others' sexuality, that's progress from when I was a kid; and B: as if there was a looming theocracy behind all this, when in fact the Christian Right is on the decline in fundraising, recruiting, and influence over public policy. I'm not sure where the obsession over this issue arises at Alternet, but it's one article after another that takes these conflicts out of the larger context, and presents local conflicts as if they were indicative of the societal trend.

Bottome line: YOU'RE WINNING. Be happy about it, and maybe try being a little more graceful in victory. We're asking for huge changes from rural and conservative communities. Sometimes the "cultural left" seems to have a problem with accepting the pace of cultural change even when it's going our way.

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» RE: tempest in a teapot Posted by: leafsong1
» or a foot in a door? Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming
» RE: tempest in a teapot - not exactly Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: tempest in a teapot - not exactly Posted by: MartianBachelor
» And now for the bad news Posted by: Ellen Remore
» You're right. Posted by: Aimleft
The Death of Christianity
Posted by: Astroboy on Apr 6, 2007 5:08 AM   
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Unless true Christians reign in these facsist zealots, Christianity as they know it will die on the vine of hatred and intolerance.
In the long-run, this hypocrisy will not be accepted, and religion (of any kind) will be ultimately and forever overshadowed by true enlightenment.
I pray for the day.

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» RE: The Death of Christianity Posted by: CriminallySane
» RE: The Death of Christianity Posted by: Ocean tides
Christian Right Lawyers?
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 6, 2007 5:30 AM   
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Have you or someone you know injured Jesus in an accident? For a fee, we can help save your soul.

I like the comment about O'Reilly: "If Bill O'Reilly had a hero other than himself..."

I think a lot of these people doth protest homosexuality too much. Admit it, Zeke: your brother-in-law looks kinda cute in those overalls.

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» RE: Christian Right Lawyers? Posted by: oregoncharles
» "Cafeteria" Christianity Posted by: CatDad
The commentors are way ahead of the media
Posted by: wawa on Apr 6, 2007 6:25 AM   
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The readers comment on this article illuminate the fact that we the people are way ahead of the media.

We all know that the Christian right is well organized, has lots of money and political power.

The question remains, is corporate media really helping we the people on confronting and challenging the right by just rehashing the obvious?

The answer remains:

NO!

Corporate media fails big time because they ONLY allow the voice of the Christian right to be heard.

Corporate media only cover the right's POV and continue to ignore the voice's of progressive Christians doing something about challenging the misuse of God for political gain for we also confront the right's blatant disregard of what JC was all about: love all and do not judge any another.

Doing something about it on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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What is wrong with these Christians and Jews?
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Apr 6, 2007 6:29 AM   
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This article is hilarious because all one would need to do to find it posted on a far-right 'Christian' site or, indeed, a moslem website is to replace the following words:
"Christian"---> "Jew"
"Defenders Voice"---->Bnai B'rth
"Christian Lawyers"---->"Jewish Lawyers"
"G-S-A"---->Christian Bible Study, or worse, the Boy Scouts
"ADF"----> ACLU
and throw the ADL in there for some commentary.
and so on and so on. The funny thing is that, once changed, the article would be just as true as this one!! There is something wrong with the crazies in all religions. But, at least, for the most part, in this country the Jews, Christians hire lawyers and don't cut off heads or bomb schools and buses!! Progress, I guess!

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» They're religious. Posted by: Ellen Remore
» RE: They're religious. Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» RE: They're religious. Posted by: Swedish liberal
Farmer John
Posted by: dutchfarm on Apr 6, 2007 6:34 AM   
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The article cited the case where the young man was wearing a t-shirt with a supposed quote from Romans 1:27( not quite in context), but if one reads Romans 2:1- "Therefore thou are inexcusable,O man,whosoever thou art that judgest:for wherein thou judgest another, thou comdemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." So many so called (well paid) preachers put up single verses, separate from the "whole book", for personal interpretation, one can easily see ( if one reads the Bible at all) that any play on words can be made by singling out specific verses( a common ploy by TV preachers and others that have a specific agenda). These "nutcases" are as far from "the truth" as are the Muslim "nutcases" that use the Koran to further their own personal agendas. Face it folks all these people use religion to perpetuate their own agenda of discrimination,meaness, and a total lack of compassion and tolerance that Jesus and Mohammed constantly preached.

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What's the big deal?
Posted by: Bart Thesc on Apr 6, 2007 6:44 AM   
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Gay people don't breed so by definition gayness in the human population will die out in a generation or so. It's just natural selection.

Oh wait? Natural selection doesn't work inside of creation science.

Does that mean that gay people have always been with us because God put them here a few thousand years ago with the rest of us?

Do I really want to piss God off by discriminating against people He put here?

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» Of Course They DO Posted by: james2021
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» RE: Of Course They DO Posted by: Astroboy
» RE: What's the big deal? Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: What's the big deal? Posted by: leafsong1
Do Something
Posted by: pcushniesr on Apr 6, 2007 6:58 AM   
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Well, I still say that if “God,” or his alter ego JC, doesn’t like homosexuality, then let him do something about it. He’s supposed to be the one with all the power, not us mortals. All that mortals have managed to do is create division, hatred, and violence. Mortal parents who allow such behavior by their children are condemned by society and often have their children taken away, but Big Daddy in the Sky always seems to get a pass. C’mon, God. Get your ass in gear and do something for a change. I challenge you, you loser.

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I wonder
Posted by: jamesto1 on Apr 6, 2007 7:59 AM   
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I can't tell from this article what ultimately would happen to someone who wears a t-shirt that says "The Bible tells me that God loves Gays" in a high school attended by Evangelical Christians. And I wonder what legal defense/offense the people described in this article would have wrt a Islam Club, a Jewish Club, a Hindu Club, a Atheist Club, a Feminist Club, or a Paganist Club that claims to be a victim of discrimination from Evangelical Christian students or staff? Any guesses how this would play out in this new "Alice in Wonderland" era?

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As a devout heathen
Posted by: chaoslegs on Apr 6, 2007 8:06 AM   
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Maybe we should encourage folks to express a new viewpoint (that will be discriminated against) that Jesus was gay.

Can you imagine the heads exploding by making that statement to these intolerant folks?

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» RE: As a devout heathen Posted by: MartianBachelor
» RE: As a devout heathen Posted by: astudent
What the Article doesn't explore
Posted by: hms2004 on Apr 6, 2007 9:15 AM   
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And I'm really interested in is why/how these Christian fanatics get so much money. Presumably they're being sponsored by corporate interests, but does that make sense? Does a corporation want to alienate part of their customers by standing by assholes? Why would corporations also want these people to base school curriculum on their biblical fantasies? Isn't a capable and educated workforce more profitable? These things never made any sense to me. I would like to read about an expose on the Christian Right's sources of funding, that way we can find out which Corporations/Business finance these folks and boycott those businesses--hit them where it hurts: their wallets! I would also like to see someone investigate Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberston, James Dobson et al to see if we find out if one of them is gay. That would be very funny indeed.

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» they fund themselves! Posted by: counterpoint
Jefferson and Madison on the Separation of Church and State
Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 6, 2007 9:36 AM   
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Great book, a collection of their letters on the subject. Quotes upon quotes that undermine the idea that the "Founding Fathers" wanted a Christian state.

Jefferson and Madison on the Separation of Church and State

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There are more people...
Posted by: truthteller on Apr 6, 2007 10:50 AM   
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Who support this intolerance, than there are of we who see this bigotry for what it is. Unfortunately, there are large networks of believers who are advised (or told) where to shop in support of Christian merchants and corporations. Secularists like me (us) just don't have the regular contacts that the majority Christian community does through weekly, or more often, services, Bible study, etc. In my work life, I find myself in a decided minority with my working-class co-workers. Most of these people are at least nominally religious, certainly having disdain for my quiet but not silent Atheism. I wish for "Live and let Live", but they clearly intend for eveyone to be like them, or get out of "Christian" America. Tom Jefferson, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

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adso
Posted by: adso on Apr 6, 2007 10:54 AM   
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Excellent referral...let me add three more:

"The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America" by Frank Lambert,

"The Godless Constitution" by Kramnick and Moore,

"Kingdom Coming" by Michelle Goldberg...

Ah, what the heck, here is a fourth:

"The War for Righteousness: Progressive Christianity, the Great War, and the Rise of the Messianic Nation" by Gamble.

Grab one, take to the tubby for some quiet time, then get on the stick and start advocating and pestering your Reps...skip American Idol for a change...

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adso
Posted by: adso on Apr 6, 2007 10:56 AM   
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Sorry...my post was meant as a reply to fanny666...adjust your browser accordingly...that is all.

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Condemnation?
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Apr 6, 2007 11:20 AM   
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You Christians never bother to condemn the eating of shellfish, do you? Yet, it's mandated right there on the exact same pages of the Bible that you hold up - while saliva spews from your mouth: DO NOT EAT SHELLFISH.

You Christians never bother to point out that talking back to your parents is punishable by DEATH, and MANDATED by Jehovah. That is also right there in your precious Bible, too.

You Christians wear clothing of cotton/nylon or wool/cotton or cashmere/rayon, etc. You do it all the time. Yet, it is mandated right there in your Hebrew texts that you are not allowed to do that.

How many of you Christians not only shave, but if you have a beard ROUND your beards. Oh no you don't. Jehovah has made it very clear the PUNISHMENT for doing so. Oops. You've ignored that mandate.

You Christians haven't yet sought to make adultery punishable as a federal crime. Regardless, it's right there in your '10 Commandments' that it's a HUGE SIN. You're not pushing for that, are you?

You work on the Sabbath. And you've totally forgotten that the SABBATH is Friday, not Sunday. Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Friday is the day. It's right there in the Bible. Yet you all have conveniently ignored that fact.

Slavery was never condemned in the Bible in any instance. In fact, there are many passages that tell slave holders how to treat their slaves. Jehovah even tells 'his people' to slaughter entire tribes and cities, but to keep the virgin women captive - to be held as chattel and slaves. Yet, curiously, the US and the rest of the world has somehow decided that institutional slavery is bad. Your god didn't. Humans did. If you loved your Bible so much, you would demand that slavery be re-instituted. After all, your god condones it.

You Christians ignore the majority of the mandated rules, laws and regulations that Jehovah has expressly given you.

Instead, you focus your attention on a tiny group of people in this country who were born gay. You're pathetic. All of you Christians who have decided to ignore the mandates of your very own god have decided that it's better to go after a group of people who do nothing to you and don't bother you. Do you see why we despise you? Do you? Do you not get how hypocrisy rules your heart? No, I guess you don't. Because if you did, you'd repent. You'd stop your vile, disgusting push for legislation against real family values and instead replace it with actual compassion. But no. You live in a culture of hatred that views divisions among people as more important and 'holy', than inclusion. You prefer to either NOT read the Bible, or have someone read certain passages to you and TELL you what's in it instead.

If you actually read your Bible you would walk away from its vile mandates so fast your head would spin.

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» RE: Condemnation? Posted by: Topaz
» I love it! Posted by: fanny666
Blackwater
Posted by: lpforti on Apr 6, 2007 12:39 PM   
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Thank you for providing the readers with such important information. What is amazing is how what is happening to the nation centers around several small, yet very powerful, cliques whose goals (whether they be military or civilian) converge at the altar of religion. The common goal and prime directive these groups, and the powerful families that support them, seem to have is the reversal of what they perceive as the counter culture that believes in peace not war, civil rights not discrimination, and freedom of religion not a mandated state acknowledgement of a religion.

As a final note, I was totally disgusted to learn that not only does Blackwater USA get most of my taxes, but now even the cost of the juice I purchase goes into their coffers.

I truly would rather starve than support Blackwater USA and the Prince family’s quest to commit genocidal murder and mayhem across the planet in the name of some narrow, perverted version of Christianity.

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» RE: Blackwater Posted by: davidg
Kentucky state song also used to say that the darkies were gay
Posted by: Beck on Apr 6, 2007 2:09 PM   
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It's a bit odd that the man mentioned in the article as being bothered, apparently in l984, that the word "gay" had been hijacked and therefore couldn't really be used in the state song anymore didn't feel bothered that in that year, the word "darkies" was still part of the song. Kentucky did not remove that word until two years later, when the only black member of the state legislature though it was about time, after it was sung to a group of Japanese visitors.

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I couldn't tell.
Posted by: Sojourner on Apr 6, 2007 5:32 PM   
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Could anyone tell from reading the article that the Rosenberger case was a 5-4 decision where the court allowed public funds to be used for publications if the topic was non-religious but the viewpoint was religious so long as public funds were already being spent for other points of view?

I had to go to Google, because the writer of this piece prefers the drama of Christian conspiracy. He did have the decency to mention that the ACLU and the rightwing legal organizations were on the same side in the "Bong hits" case. So much for insinuations of conspiracy.

I hate progressive journalists who resort to the same tactics and style as the authoritarians. That makes it seem like progressivism is just a matter of whose ox is gored.

Could anyone else tell that the "Bong hits" case is probably decided but that the decision would not be released until June?

The reply that this article was only supposed to be about the foundations for Christian legal advocacy won't do. Half-baked writing is still half-baked writing and it does the progressive cause no benefit.

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Christianism and Islamism do good, they offend decent people and get them thinking
Posted by: Swedish liberal on Apr 7, 2007 9:27 AM   
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I heard a new term from one of the bloggs I read. Andrew Sullivan. He has a term for the more extreme Christian Right, Christianism. It is comparable to the milder forms of Islamism.

However very few on these pages that are so opposed to the teachings of the Christian Right is against the main stream Moslems. The main stream Moslems have exactly the same views on so called family values as the Christian Right, the hold exactly the same view on the separation of State and Church i.e politics are under god and god is always above politics.

You could in fact place the Christian Right on an exact parity with main stream Islam.

However I believe that the Christian Right is fast losing its grip on the US. None of the Republican contenders for the presidency caters to the Right. Giuliani is social libertarian and McCain is a very, very moderate Republican. On the other hand both Obama and Clinton shamelessly woes the Christian Rights voters with their “new found faith” and belief in “family values”, shame on them.

In the US we now see a very steady decline of religious candor and evangelicalism but unfortunately Europe and Sweden is going the other way. We are seeing a resurgence of religion and it is getting politically conscious as well, the wish that religious values should have a larger place in society. But at its worst it is the Middle and Far East Islam is fast becoming radicalised, going the way of Islamism. (It has very little to do with the US or US policies.)

I see that main stream American religion will be much less fundamentalist and as a consequence the more extreme fundamentalists will as always when they lose support become even more radical.

However it came as a shock to me that the US is as religious as it is 92 % of the populations believe in a higher deity, in the year 2007. Some 40 % are fundamentalists and or orthodox i. e take the holy teachings literally and believe in Creationism, yes Moslems do that as well.

Only 8 % of the American people are enlightened. But so far the founding fathers of the US solved this religious fervour by dividing the Church from the State and so far it has worked very well. The Supreme Court has been able to be moderate both when it comes to partisan politics as well as religion. The Supreme Court upheld the Constitution, are so to speak constitutional fundamentalists. However because of Roosevelt’s extremely political appointments to the Supreme Court Frankfurter, Ginsburg et al the Conservatives unfortunately felt that they had to appoint their on version of partisan judges. It is a most unfortunate state of affairs; the Supreme Court should interpret the Constitution in a very cautious fashion.

Otherwise we will see even more partisan judges if the Democrats win the presidential election. I strongly warn the American people going in that direction.

Do not go the way of the Swedish Supreme Court a Court were judges only are appointed if they agree with the Cabinet, they even have to work in the Cabinet to be appointed as Superior Court Judges. As Sweden has had the same party in power for 70 of the last 80 years you can understand how biased and partisan Swedish Superior Court Judges are.

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Footgoo
Posted by: footgoo on Apr 7, 2007 10:35 AM   
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I am new to this site and apologize for my stridency.
It is important that the divide between Fundamentalists and Christians be understood.

A fundamentalist at his core, in not a Christian. It is that simple. They believe the bible is the revealed word of God and therefore the absolute truth and unimpeachable. There is no other side for them.

How does the violence, hatred, bigotry, and intolerance of the old testament reconcile with the word of God through Christ? As a self perceived Christian, I cannot reconcile the two. This is the reason why, 40 years ago I stopped identifying myself as a Christian. I could use extremely profane language to describe my rage, suffice it to say I would rather burn in hell than be in a heaven made of their beliefs.

The disconnect between Christianity and fundamentalism is, interestingly enough, Christ. A fundamentalist does believe in Christ, they have to. The bible says so. A Christian believes in Christ because...(fill in your own reason, I won't pretend to know why). The difference is emphasis of focus.

The fundamentalist believes in The Bible and Jesus. I believe in Christ, without the Bible to augment explain or distort his words.

For explanation sake, if Christ never existed and history remained the same (just take Christ out of the equation), Christianity by definition could not exist. Fundamentalism would continue on.

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Taking us back to the Dark Ages
Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Apr 7, 2007 8:17 PM   
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It's at least my opinion that the Dark Ages were "Dark" because of the power and tyranny of religious authorities at the time. Back then it was the Catholic Church that was seeking totalitarian powers over everybody. The Vatican City is still behind a couple centuries, and so are most of the countries in the Middle East, but we're going right back to the 1st millenium.

The neo-Nazis of the Christian Right are totalitarian-hopefuls; there's no doubt of that anymore. They desire to brainwash all into their narrow and warped thinking of reality, like all totalitarian movements. They're at war with science, and thus also reality, and... they're at war with humanity itself. Wanting to outlaw abortion AND preventing abortion; this is not hypocrisy, it's consistent with their alarmlingly successful (despite its blatant nonsensity) mind control tool "Sex is evil". They love STDs and back-alley abortions. They're also big fans of degenerative diseases, by defending its ability to kill people en masse by suggesting clumps of embryonic stem cells are "children" that would be "murdered" despite the fact that they're destroyed whether they're used for research or not. I'm sure they would love to throw homosexuals, secularists, atheists, feminists, non-Christians (Jews included), Christians who aren't "true" Christians, etc. into concentration camps to be slaughtered. They want to bring back-and HAVE brought back-torture, a favorite of the religious leaders of the Dark Ages. These people portray facts as opinions, and fiction as equally, if not more valid opinions. Quite the Axis of Medieval. Contrary to what another poster here said, Christian fundamentalists are on par with Islamic fundamentalists, not mainstream Muslims. That sounds like Islamophobia to me, but anyway... The Christian Right scares the shit out of me. The scariest thing about them is that they've actually hung in there all this time and people actually believe them.

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Posner's An Incredibly Biased Drama Queen
Posted by: faultroy on Apr 8, 2007 8:52 AM   
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Posner must make a pretty good living bashing Christians for Leftist Liberals. I guess it has not occurred to those reading these posts that Christians are US Citizens as well.
Posner decries the fact that Christian Ministers tried to stop their congregation's children from having to be forced to watch gay anti harrassment/tolerance indoctrination--well what the hell is the difference between that and an Atheist having to put up with staying silent while the entire school--comprised of Christian people say a morning prayer with the word "God," in it?Why shouldn't a Christian that believes that homosexuality is an abomination under God have the same constitutional right?
The facts are: it is not the Christians that are intolerant, but rather Secularists. What next, Jews will not be allowed to wear Yamikas to class because it speaks of "religion?" Muslims will not be able to wear anything related to the Koran because it smacks of religion--no scarfs? This drama queen needs to get her ignorant head out of her ass. Christians have just as much right as gays, liberals, feminists and Blacks to advocate their own positions. The fact that their position just happen to involve "religious beliefs," does not de facto eliminate their constitutional rights.
Black Colleges obtain federal monies and grants even though they openly discriminate against other races and do not allow any other minorities to either work, teach or go to their schools. Feminists obtain federal grant monies and openly discriminate against males. And it is a total lie that Gays are just trying to "get along,"--they have consistently and openly-- and with considerable hostility-- attacked both heterosexuals and Christian ideoligies--which they certainly have a right to do-- to the point where the activities on the part of the Christian Right is a reaction to the assaults by GLBT and secular groups. But what annoys me to no end is the sniping, dishonesty and the unfettered biased attitudes on the part of these same liberals. Todays liberals have lost all sense of fairness and perspective. They are without doubt the most fascist, narrow minded and unfair group I have ever had the misfortune of viewing. There is no interest in equality or openness. They believe in constitutional free speech only if