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How Long Until Iran Gets the Bomb? No One Has a Clue

By Ray McGovern, BuzzFlash. Posted March 5, 2007.


The U.S. intelligence community's performance in "assessing" Iran's progress toward a nuclear capability does not inspire confidence.

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Iran: How far from the Bomb? That was one of the key questions asked of newly confirmed Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell at a Senate Armed Forces Committee hearing on Tuesday. Why had McConnell avoided this front-burner issue in his prepared remarks? Because an honest answer would have been: "Beats the hell out of us. Despite the billions that American taxpayers have sunk into improving U.S. intelligence, we can only guess."

But the question is certainly a fair and urgent one. A mere three weeks into the job, McConnell can perhaps be forgiven for merely reciting the hazy forecast of his predecessor, John Negroponte, and the obscurantist jargon that has been introduced into key national intelligence estimates (NIEs) in recent years). McConnell had these two sentences committed to memory:

"We assess that Iran seeks to develop a nuclear weapon. The information is incomplete, but we assess that Iran could develop a nuclear weapon early-to-mid-next decade."

At that point, McConnell received gratuitous reinforcement from Lt. Gen. Michael Maples, head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. With something of a flourish, Maples emphasized that it was "with high confidence" that DIA "assesses that Iran remains determined to develop nuclear weapons."

After the judgments in the Oct. 1, 2002 estimate assessing weapons-of-mass-destruction in Iraq -- judgments stated with "high confidence" -- turned out to be wrong, National Intelligence Council officials apparently concluded that defining "assess" might help cover their asses. The council took the unprecedented step of including a short glossary in its recent NIE on Iraq:

"When we use words such as 'we assess,' we are trying to convey an analytical assessment or judgment. These assessments, which are based on incomplete or at times fragmentary information are not a fact, proof, or knowledge. Some analytical judgments are based directly on collected information; others rest on previous judgments, which serve as building blocks. In either type of judgment, we do not have "evidence" that shows something to be a fact."

So caveat emptor. Beware the verisimilitude conveyed by "we assess." It can have a lemming effect, as evidenced Tuesday by the automatic head bobbing that greeted Sen. Lindsay Graham's (R-SC) clever courtroom-style summary argument at the hearing, "We all agree, then, that the Iranians are trying to get nuclear weapons."

Quick, someone, please give Sen. Graham the National Intelligence Council's new glossary.

Shoddy Record on Iran

Iran is a difficult intelligence target. Understood. Even so, U.S. intelligence performance "assessing" Iran's progress toward a nuclear capability does not inspire confidence. The only quasi-virtue readily observable in intelligence estimates is the foolish consistency described by Emerson as "the hobgoblin of little minds." In 1995, U.S. intelligence started consistently "assessing" that Iran was "within five years" of reaching a nuclear weapons capability. But, year after year, that got a little tired ... and even embarrassing. So in 2005, when the most recent NIE was issued (and then leaked to the Washington Post), the timeline was extended and given still more margin for error. Basically, it was moved ten years out to 2015 but, in a fit of caution, the estimators created the expression "early-to-mid next decade."

Small wonder that the commission picked by President George W. Bush to investigate the intelligence community's performance on weapons of mass destruction complained that U.S. intelligence knows "disturbingly little" about Iran. Shortly after the most recent estimate was completed in June 2005, Robert G. Joseph, the neo-conservative who succeeded John Bolton as undersecretary of state for arms control, was asked whether Iran had a nuclear effort under way. He replied:

"I don't know quite how to answer that because we don't have perfect information or perfect understanding. But the Iranian record, plus what the Iranian leaders have said ... lead us to conclude that we have to be highly skeptical."

Is help on the way? A fresh national intelligence estimate on Iran has been in preparation for several months -- far too leisurely a pace in the circumstances. Will it have any appreciable effect in informing policy? Don't count on it.


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Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, the publishing ministry of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC. He chaired National Intelligence Estimates during his 27 years as a CIA analyst, and now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). An earlier version of this article has appeared on TomPaine.com.

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Iran's new nuclear currency
Posted by: Aufklaerung_Baboon on Mar 5, 2007 12:56 AM   
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Iran is releasing new currency soon with the nuclear symbol printed on it!

LOL! What a blatant slap in the face of the U.S. & Israel.

I guess that the nuclear symbol is better than the phrase "In God We Trust" though.


Iran's currency going nuclear

"Iran, embroiled in a row with the West over its nuclear ambitions, will issue a new banknote this month carrying an atomic symbol, newspapers have reported.

The new note for 50,000 rials, worth the equivalent of about $US5.40, will be the largest in circulation when it becomes available on March 12.

Images of the banknote published in newspapers showed one side with an atomic symbol of electrons in orbit. The other side carried a picture of the late founder of the Islamic Republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, like other notes."

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And what if they already did?
Posted by: Temporary on Mar 5, 2007 1:26 AM   
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Would it mean Armageddon?

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Why Would Tehran Want Nukes?
Posted by: robchapman on Mar 5, 2007 3:43 AM   
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An Iranian nuclear power industry would serve the same purpose that it does in Japan, to generate electricity.

Iran has ambitions to industrialize and needs electricity to do so. They want to sell oil to provide the funds for their industrialization program.

That is straight forward and simple.

The US contends that Iran wants to dominate the Persian Gulf Region. Iran has more people, a larger army and a bigger industrial base than any Gulf State. In the absence of American power, Iran would be the pre-eminent Gulf state with or without nuclear weapons.

One may conclude then that the Iranians would only need nuclear weapons if they intended to challenge the US forces on the Gulf and in the neighboring countries of Iraq and Afghanistan. However such an action would lead to disasterous counter strikes by US forces.

The nuclear strategy that would best fit a power in Iran's position would be to develop nuclear weaponry and hold them.
This would bring Iran to the status say of France.

For the Iranians achieving power stature rivalling France would be a great accomplishment and would elevate them from the status of regional power to world player.

An important aspect of Iran being able to play in the big leagues is having the bomb and the systems to use it, but showing some restraint.

Clearly the ability of the Iranians to exercise restraint and use their powers judiciously once they possess nuclear weaponry is an open question.

Iran's quest for energy independence and its overlap into the weaponry question make this matter a case requiring the utmost exercise of diplomatic skill and far sighted statesmanship.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: Why Would Tehran Want Nukes? Posted by: Conservasaurus
Dick Cheney, Saboteur-in-Chief
Posted by: victorberry on Mar 5, 2007 4:34 AM   
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The CIA doesn't have good intelligence on the Iranian nuclear program, huh? So, how much did Dick Cheney help when he outed Valerie Plame and single-handedly dismantled the Brewster-Jennings front company? Cheney was not so much trying to discredit Joe Wilson as he was trying to ruin CIA intelligence with which he disagreed. Call me old fashioned, but it sounds like treason to me!

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the facts on the ground Part 1
Posted by: wawa on Mar 5, 2007 5:42 AM   
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On Feb. 10, 2007, during a SABEEL Conference in Birmingham, Alabama, USA, Dr. Phyllis Bennis, a secular Jew, journalist, prolific author, Mid East analyst and Co-founder and Co-Chair of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation stated,

"Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons...

"Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is! The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it.

"The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington, the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq, are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond."


This patriotic American and concerned citizen of the world sent an email to President Ahmadinejad
that will be forwarded via
iranletter@americanfreepress.net


And I beseech every thoughtful, patriotic American seeking peace and justice to send their own email chat, knowing full well that thanks to the Patriot Act, the USA Government will also read it.


Dear President Ahmadinejad and to all the God-fearing, truth-loving and justice-seeking people of the world,

Divine providence has indeed brought us together via the World Wide Web.

The only borders that exist between us are all man made boundaries that exist on pieces of paper that can easily burn by the heat generated from one solitary match.

I am a member of the New Fourth Estate; civilian journalist/blogger. The New Fourth Estate was born after THAT DAY, we call 9/11, when the mainstream media went limp and the Doctrine of Fear was implemented by the Bush Administration to manipulate public opinion and further its lust for empire building.

I did not for a second believe that anyone hated America because we are 'free' as President Bush said. I instead, desired to understand why anyone could target and murder innocent people. I do not care who wears the uniform, or how noble they believe their cause is, anytime an innocent one is caught in the crossfire of violence; they are terrorized!

Because of a photo that ran in a USA Catholic newspaper of a little Palestinian boy, named George from Beit Jala, I journeyed four times into the occupied Palestinian territories to learn and report the truth on WAWA: http://www.wearewideawake.org/ and other open minded USA alternative news outlets on the World Wide Web.

In the year 2000, in the ancient indigenous Christian village of Beit Jala , a five minute drive from the Church of The Nativity in downtown Bethlehem , some hopeless militants had infiltrated to shoot into the illegal colony of Gilo a mile away. The Israeli Defense Force retaliated and the bedroom of George was decimated. The shrapnel that pierced the wall of his sanctuary read "Made in USA" and was delivered from American made Apache helicopters that buzzed over his head. If George had been in his bed, he would be dead.
While some governments consider the trauma to innocents "collateral damage" my heart told me "DO SOMETHING!

President Ahmadinejad, you asked "Is it not possible to put wealth and power in the service of peace, stability, prosperity and the happiness of all peoples through a commitment to justice and respect for the rights of all nations, instead of aggression and war?"

I respond, YES! But it is up to the International Community to rise up and demand that International Law and the UN Declaration of Human Rights be the rule of law for all nations and states to abide by. And only then, will we, "have it in our power to begin the world again."

TBC

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facts on the ground part 2
Posted by: wawa on Mar 5, 2007 5:43 AM   
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That quote was written by Tom Paine, the most radical and revolutionary of all America 's founding fathers who also penned:

"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776 ] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."

The problem with America is that common sense has been lost due to fear and politicians misuse religion to get elected. It is not just the Bush Administration, but the likes of the Democrat Demimondaine and Consummate Pandering Politician, Hillary Clinton who has sold her soul and sold out we the people for peace and justice to solicit AIPAC votes:

On February 1, 2007 Senator Hillary Clinton stated at an AIPAC fundraiser, "I've been a strong supporter of Israel's right to build a security barrier to keep terrorists out. I have spoken out against the International Court of Justice for questioning Israel's right to build that fence of security."

Clinton, [like many USA politicians] cares naught for the rule of law, and apparently does not read the august Washington Report on Middle East Affairs , "Financed with U.S. aid at a cost of $1.5 million per mile, the Israeli wall prevents residents from receiving health care and emergency medical services. In other areas, the barrier separates farmers from their olive groves which have been their families' sole livelihood for generations." [Page 43, Jan/Feb. 2007]

Clinton continued to satisfy the ignoble lusts of AIPAC as she continued to deny the truth, " Israel is a beacon of what's right in a neighborhood overshadowed by the wrongs of radicalism, extremism, despotism and terrorism. We need only look to one of Israel's greatest threats: namely, Iran . Make no mistake; Iran poses a threat not only to Israel , but to the entire Middle East and beyond… U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal. We cannot, we should not, we must not, permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons. And in dealing with this threat as I have said for a very long time, no option can be taken off the table."

On Feb. 10, 2007, I attended a SABEEL [Arabic for THE WAY] Conference in Alabama , USA. Among the many truth tellers who spoke was Dr. Phyllis Bennis, a secular Jew, journalist, prolific author, Mid East analyst and Co-founder and Co-Chair of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation who said, " Iran has signed the NPT, which allows them the right to have nuclear power and to enrich uranium. The 185 non-nuclear states have agreed to give up the right to have nuclear weapons and the five nuclear powers that signed the NPT agreed to get rid of their nuclear weapons... Iran is not in violation of the NPT, but America is! The USA has been in violation ever since the day they signed it. The USA is acting like a rogue state. The rhetoric out of Washington, the arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq, are deliberate provocations hoping that the Iranians will take the bait and respond."

President Ahmadinejad, you also wrote: "I am confident that you, the American people, will play an instrumental role in the establishment of justice and spirituality throughout the world. The promises of the Almighty and His prophets will certainly be realized, justice and truth will prevail and all nations will live a true life in a climate replete with love, compassion and fraternity."

I am confident too-but they will have to WAKE UP first and then DO SOMETHING!

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facts on the ground part 3
Posted by: wawa on Mar 5, 2007 5:44 AM   
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You quoted the Divine Word of the Holy Qur'an and I now offer you- and all the God-fearing, truth-loving and justice-seeking people of the world- the words of the ancient Hebrew Prophet, Micah and two more modern day 'prophets.'

"What does God require? He has already told you o'man! Be JUST! Be MERCIFUL! And walk humbly with your Lord."-Micah 6:8

"Imagine All the People Sharing All the World."-John Lennon

"If enough Christians followed the gospel, they could bring any state to its knees." Father Philip Francis Berrigan

In Solidarity we have it in our power to begin the world again, and Godspeed on it!

Eileen Fleming

PS: Dear America:
Please RISE UP
And 'CHAT' with President Ahmadinejad -and most likely Big Brother-via
iranletter@americanfreepress.net



WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

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facts on the ground part 4
Posted by: wawa on Mar 5, 2007 5:46 AM   
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Among the many Americans who were held hostage from 1979-1981 in Iran , Bruce Laingen, the former charge de affaires for the U.S. Embassy in Iran , has now publicly called for the Bush administration to put aside its incendiary language and seek diplomatic direct discussions with Iran instead.

In a letter to the editor of The New York Times, published on Jan. 13, 2007, Laingen wrote:

"The United States and Iran must talk. Not with the mutually negative public rhetoric that for the 27 years since the 1979 hostage crisis has eroded the trust needed for any diplomatic exchange; not indirectly, as we do now on the nuclear issue through our Security Council and European Union colleagues; but frontally and frankly as responsible powers with shared interests in a critically important part of the world.

"The absence of dialogue has made no sense on any count—strategic, human, historic, political, cultural. It has complicated our relationships with every other country in the region. We alone among the powers have chosen to signal in this way our reservations about Iran's conduct in the world arena.

"Talking won't be easy....But we lose nothing now by joining directly with our allies and friends in direct soundings of Iran's intentions."

In November 29, 2006 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, issued an open letter to Americans; in order to" bypass the corrupt Bush regime" of which I have excerpted from the full text available @ http://www.americanfreepress.net/
html/ahmadinejad_speaks.html

public service message from WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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A NUCLEAR FREE MID EAST
Posted by: wawa on Mar 5, 2007 5:54 AM   
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THE DESIRE FOR A NUCLEAR FREE MID EAST is exactly why the Whistleblower of Israel's WMD Program, Mordechai Vanunu took the 60 odd photos in 1986 that proved Israel had gone nuclear


THE DESIRE FOR A NUCLEAR FREE WORLD is why this reporter is streaming video of Vanunu on
WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/



"30 Minutes with Vanunu" taped March 2006

And

Vanunu's message to USA Christians to WAKE UP taped June 2005

WAWA is the ONLY Media following Vanunu's
HISTORIC FREEDOM of SPEECH trial in a
Mid East 'Democracy'

http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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They Don't Want to Know
Posted by: rkewen on Mar 5, 2007 6:47 AM   
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The last thing the Bu$h administration wants to be available is accurate information about Iran's nuclear program. They prefer to make up whatever facts will support their current project to satisfy their un-ending greed, especially for oil these days.

I think this desire to eliminate sources of accurate (read truthful) information was more of the motivation for outing Valerie Plame and Brewster/Jennings than any desire to strike back at Joe Wilson. Smearing Wilson was just an added benefit to the real motive.

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For better or for worse
Posted by: ng1944 on Mar 5, 2007 7:21 AM   
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It looks that the only thing that can stop Uncle Sam
from sticking his dirty fingers in everybody business,
when every country in the world will develop "nucelar "
wepons

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Recall the Indian and Pakistani and Korean nuclear tests?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 5, 2007 8:00 AM   
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The facts seem to be that when it comes to collecting intelligence and information, our 'national intelligence apparatus' consists of a bunch of incompetents. That's becasue their real aim is to overthrow disobedient foreign goverments and to make sure their Wall Street friends make lots of money.

You can find out more about the world's current nuclear situation by reading periodicals such as the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists; that's probably where the CIA gets most of their information from as well.

The Indian, Pakistani and Korean nuclear tests all took the US by surprise. Every single country that has tried to build a nuclear weapon has succeeded on their first try. Notice also that Iran, unlike Pakistan, Israel, and India, has signed the non-proliferation treaty. Meanwhile, the US continues to lavish support on Israeli and Indian and Pakistani nuclear power and nuclear weapons programs.

The US propaganda media is silent on this issue, but thanks to the Internet you can read what the world is saying: What is it that the US wants? M V KAMATH, NewsIndia:

....What is shocking is that while Washington is turning a blind eye to what Islamabad is up to, it is planning to destroy Iranian nuclear facilities and reports suggest that 'there is a blizzard of signals that the assault could be unleashed as early as late February'. One sign is a statement made by President George Bush early in January that the US will 'seek out and destroy' forces inimical to the US in the Middle East, especially in Iraq. He did not mention Iran by name but Iranians are aware that they are soon going to be targeted. It was only a few weeks ago that an American investigative journalist, Seymour Hersh had warned that the use of 'bunker-busting' nukes against Iran was under active consideration in the Pentagon. Not so long ago The Times had stated that two Israeli air squadrons are currently training for the mission and 'if things go according to plan, a pilot will first launch a conventional laser-guided bomb to blow' an Iranian nuclear installation. The US, meanwhile, has already announced that it is moving a second aircraft carrier group to the Persian Gulf. A carrier group can unleash 85 strike aircraft and hundreds of cruise missiles at Iranian nuclear and other installations. According to Dr Tatiana Shaumian, director, Centre for Indian Studies in Moscow, 'an attack on Iran, whether by the US or Israel or both, threatens to destabilies the region, and perhaps the world.... A vast geopolitical disaster may be looming'. But does anyone care in Delhi? The US record of wholesale killing is unparallelled. Hitler would be admiring America were he alive now.

A UN report said on 16 January that more than 34,000 Iraqis died due to violence in 2006, often being tortured. The report said that at least 34,452 Iraqis died in 2000 on an average or 94 deaths per day while another 36,685 persons were wounded in attacks around the country. The UN report said that between 1 November and 31 December alone, at least 6,376 civilians were killed and another 6,875 wounded across Iraq. 'Extra-judicial executions, rampant and indiscriminate killings of civilians went virtually unchecked', said the Report. The killings and reached a peak in October 2006 when 3,709 persons were killed.

Thousands of Iraqis are leaving the country every day and nobody seems to care. It is well to remember that nobody cared either when Henry Kissinger, a former US Secretary of State ordered carpet bombing of little Cambodia, a neutral country. The indiscriminate bombing went on for 14 months resulting in 600,000 recorded deaths....

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“Anyone can go to Baghdad; real men go to Tehran"
Posted by: rwa on Mar 5, 2007 8:14 AM   
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The Next War

“Anyone can go to Baghdad; real men go to Tehran,” an administration official was heard saying shortly after the fall of Baghdad. If there were doubts as to the motives behind the Iraq war, there should be none when it comes to Iran. According to the Guardian, “Neo-conservatives, particularly at the Washington-based American Enterprise Institute, are urging Mr. Bush to open a new front against Iran. So too is the vice-president, Dick Cheney.” While many had breathed a sigh when high profile neocons like Wolfowitz, Feith and John Bolton were banished from the Departments of Defense and State, the Vice President’s office is still a veritable neocon hotbed. David Wurmser and Elliot Abrams still hold key positions, and their influence over policy is strong enough for the President to reject ISG recommendations in favor of a plan drafted by Fred Kagan of the neoconservative American Enterprise Institute...

A Movement Gone AWOL

Except for Israel, its powerful lobby, and the columnists and congressmen bought and paid for by it, the war is opposed by everyone: the military, Pentagon, State Department, conservatives, the business elite, and the Left. While a year of intense protests had preceded the invasion of Iraq, in this instance, despite the gravity of the situation and abundant warnings, there has been a curious absence of public outrage. A recent star-studded antiwar rally in Washington overlooked the issue entirely. The continuing ineffectuality of the antiwar movement is guaranteed in the nature of praise it garners. At a time when Israel is the only party visibly lobbying for the war, according to one report on the rally, the “antiwar” Rabbi Michael Lerner was pleased that there were “very, very, very few signs that had anything to do with Israel” at the rally. Rabbi Arthur Waskow, a leading participant said, “the lack of attention directed toward Israel was a credit to the peace movement.” Another participant was relieved that she “did not notice any criticism of Israel at any event.”

In its refusal to point a finger at the main cause of the impending war — the Israel lobby and its stranglehold on the American Congress — the antiwar movement is certainly not impeding the march to war; in fact, it confirms Gramsci’s dictum by passively enabling it in not taking its main proponent to task...

The endgame is not yet clear; however, the consequences of inaction are frightening. “Some provocation in Iraq or a terrorist act in the U.S. blamed on Iran,” warns Zbigniew Brzezinski, a man not given to hyperbole, could culminate in “a ‘defensive’ U.S. military action against Iran that plunges a lonely America into a spreading and deepening quagmire eventually ranging across Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.” Scott Ritter’s plea to the Congress — “Stop the Iran war before it starts” — is therefore worth reiterating:

Summon AIPAC, or any other lobby promoting confrontation with Iran, to the forefront, so that the warnings they offer in whispers from a back room can be articulated before the American public. Hold these conjurers of doom accountable for their positions by demanding they back them up with hard fact.

See if the US intelligence community concurs with the dire warnings . . . and if it doesn’t, ask who, then, is driving US policy toward Iran?

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Mar 5, 2007 9:37 AM   
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No one, least of all Israel, wanted to admit that Israel was devoloping the bomb. They and the US tried to keep it secret. In fact, it was denied for many years after they had many bombs, and apparently still is in some places, including Washington and Israel.

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Iran should be getting the "BOMB" fairly soon,
Posted by: symcokid on Mar 5, 2007 9:54 AM   
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as soon as we give Israel the "Go Ahead" and we can fabricate a Pearl Harbor type justification for doing Iran in! It's just like the Indigenous People in this country, we have to destroy them in order to save them from themselves and then we can steal everything from them - it's nothing new really and we're good at it!

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Two things to consider
Posted by: willymack on Mar 5, 2007 10:03 AM   
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1. The Iranians aren't crazy. They know full well, the destruction they'd bring upon themselves as a result of using nuclear weapons on ANY country. 2. The bush crime family IS crazy, and will proceed to pound Iran into rubble, and even use nukes for no better reason than to validate all their evils to date.

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how long until Iran gets the bomb
Posted by: pfm on Mar 5, 2007 11:21 AM   
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I for one hope they have it now, today, immediately. GWB has made us the proverbial school yard bully and we are about to get knocked on our ass.

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Mr no balls
Posted by: Krain61 on Mar 5, 2007 11:51 AM   
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Why is it when our Government gets involved things turn to shit. We can tell them what and what they can't do. That's BULLSHIT! Mr President George ass Bush says things like:
There "the terrorist" are afraid of our freedoms!
yea right george what freedoms? You took um!
And What has who done to who in regards to us and Iran?
Can anyone really blame them for wanting protection from our Government who wants to rule the world from D.C. or maybe Bush plans to rule from his new bunker.
That really wouldn't surprize me. I think if anyone has the right to tell Iran they can't have nukes it should be there neighbors that are the closest to them. The more we try to tell countries what to do the more they will want to tear us a new ass hole. I say back off and have serious talks at a table face to face and not sending someone else to do the job we pay him to do..He wanted that dam job and he's been paid well so I think he should meet them up close and personal. Oh that's right! Mr no balls always sends others to do his job.

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If its up to Bush...
Posted by: White middleclass male on Mar 5, 2007 3:54 PM   
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Iran should be getting the bomb any time now.

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