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America's Holy Warriors

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted January 4, 2007.


The radical Christian Right is coming dangerously close to its goal of taking over the country’s military and law enforcement.
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The drive by the Christian right to take control of military chaplaincies, which now sees radical Christians holding roughly 50 percent of chaplaincy appointments in the armed services and service academies, is part of a much larger effort to politicize the military and law enforcement. This effort signals the final and perhaps most deadly stage in the long campaign by the radical Christian right to dismantle America’s open society and build a theocratic state. A successful politicization of the military would signal the end of our democracy.

During the past two years I traveled across the country to research and write the book "American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America." I repeatedly listened to radical preachers attack as corrupt and godless most American institutions, from federal agencies that provide housing and social welfare to public schools and the media. But there were two institutions that never came under attack -- the military and law enforcement. While these preachers had no interest in communicating with local leaders of other faiths, or those in the community who did not subscribe to their call for a radical Christian state, they assiduously courted and flattered the military and police. They held special services and appreciation days for all four branches of the armed services and for various law enforcement agencies. They encouraged their young men and women to enlist or to join the police or state troopers. They sought out sympathetic military and police officials to attend church events where these officials were lauded and feted for their Christian probity and patriotism. They painted the war in Iraq not as an occupation but as an apocalyptic battle by Christians against Islam, a religion they regularly branded as "satanic." All this befits a movement whose final aesthetic is violence. It also befits a movement that, in the end, would need the military and police forces to seize power in American society.

One of the arguments used to assuage our fears that the mass movement being built by the Christian right is fascist at its core is that it has not yet created a Praetorian Guard, referring to the paramilitary force that defied legal constraints, made violence part of the political discourse and eventually plunged ancient Rome into tyranny and despotism. A paramilitary force that operates outside the law, one that sows fear among potential opponents and is capable of physically silencing those branded by their leaders as traitors, is a vital instrument in the hands of despotic movements. Communist and fascist movements during the last century each built paramilitary forces that operated beyond the reach of the law.

And yet we may be further down this road than we care to admit. Erik Prince, the secretive, mega-millionaire, right-wing Christian founder of Blackwater, the private security firm that has built a formidable mercenary force in Iraq, champions his company as a patriotic extension of the U.S. military. His employees, in an act as cynical as it is deceitful, take an oath of loyalty to the Constitution. These mercenary units in Iraq, including Blackwater, contain some 20,000 fighters. They unleash indiscriminate and wanton violence against unarmed Iraqis, have no accountability and are beyond the reach of legitimate authority. The appearance of these paramilitary fighters, heavily armed and wearing their trademark black uniforms, patrolling the streets of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, gave us a grim taste of the future. It was a stark reminder that the tyranny we impose on others we will one day impose on ourselves.

"Contracting out security to groups like Blackwater undermines our constitutional democracy," said Michael Ratner, the president of the Center for Constitutional Rights. "Their actions may not be subject to constitutional limitations that apply to both federal and state officials and employees -- including First Amendment and Fourth Amendment rights to be free from illegal searches and seizures. Unlike police officers they are not trained in protecting constitutional rights and unlike police officers or the military they have no system of accountability whether within their organization or outside it. These kind of paramilitary groups bring to mind Nazi Party brownshirts, functioning as an extrajudicial enforcement mechanism that can and does operate outside the law. The use of these paramilitary groups is an extremely dangerous threat to our rights."


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Chris Hedges is the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times and the author of "War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning."

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Posted by: johnecolby on Jan 4, 2007 12:20 AM   
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Before there were paid mercenaries like Blackwater becoming potential defenders of a "Christian America" there was the KKK and various other civic minded Christian paramilitaries.

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» RE: Nothing new Posted by: sethmo
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: Philip Newton
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: willymack
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: Philip Newton
» RE: Nothing new Posted by: mirimac
» Blackwater??.....be very afraid Posted by: psychochurch
Defund and Self-Defend
Posted by: edith on Jan 4, 2007 1:07 AM   
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This is a direct result of a massive standing military establishment created by the Cold War and now continued by a semi-religious "war on terror". To put in wider context, Big Gvt, Big Business, and Big Religion result when the public's resources are expropriated by force to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars(taxes) and supplemented by an unethical massive borrowing of money(printing paper currency to cover unlimited govt debt). Cut off the blood to the cancer cells. Slash govt spending, including defense. Make DC an irrelevant little village on the Potomac as it was originally intended to be.

National defense is best left to the people themselves, thus the second amendment's injunction that the right of militias to form is fundemental, and that based on the need for local self defense, the right to bear arms(nolimitations on cannons folks!) shall not be infringed.


Dismantle the octopus of govt. Back to local self govt and self-defense. The moochers will vanish and the local preachers may get their guns but are they really willing to die for the Rapture?

Time will Tell.

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» RE: Defund and Self-Defend Posted by: ronbeyer
» RE: Defund and Self-Defend Posted by: smidget2k4
yikes
Posted by: insulaparadigm on Jan 4, 2007 1:17 AM   
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This guys are just a step above joseph kony.
I'd love to shove some of these guys in a room full of pomo academics and let them have a metaphysical catharsis and let the rest of us get along in our lives in peace.

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antichrist
Posted by: rsaxto on Jan 4, 2007 1:17 AM   
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There is a simple religious term that exactly describes the Christian Right: the Antichrist. These are the folks that created the lies that brought mass murder to Iraq and elsewhere. They are no more religious than the chunk of steel called a gun. They are criminals, fascists and bigots. Impeach the Administration and thus bring sanity and survival back to America.

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Post of the Year by Hedges
Posted by: notabilia on Jan 4, 2007 2:13 AM   
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Let's say you read this essay. Ask yourself: who has the guns, the bombs, the tax benefits, the new technologies, and the profits in this country. Then think about the immovability of the supersystem in this country. Just try to commute to work with these perceptions banging around in your head. For good measure, take along Robert Gellately's "Backing Hitler," and read it at your lunch break. The police and the security apparatus were the vanguard of Nazism. Right now, they have to be part social worker, but they could return to their preferred mode in a fascist heartbeat...

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» RE: Post of the Year Posted by: buh
All extremists are the same
Posted by: SENILEBIKER on Jan 4, 2007 3:00 AM   
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The so called Christian Right (Wrong) are fundamentally the bedfellows of the extremist Islamic groups. Try substituting the word "Islamic" for the word "Christian" in their web sites, pamphlets etc and vice versa for the extremist Islamic writings. there is no difference.

Who is the biggest danger? The ones with the biggest guns.

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Let's stop calling them Christians
Posted by: laragan on Jan 4, 2007 4:01 AM   
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Whatever one thinks of these far right extremists and what should be done with them, please let's stop calling them Christians. They are NOT Christians by any stretch of the imagination, and those of us who are Christians, and who abhor the ideology and methods of these people, are very tired of seeing and hearing the word 'Christian' associated with them. I am sure that many Muslims feel the same about the extremists who claim to act in the name of Islam.
Thank you to Alternet for their great work in providing a forum where every voice can be heard.

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» Amen Posted by: Philip Newton
» Waste of time! Posted by: maddy
» RE: Waste of time! Posted by: Philip Newton
» Call them what they are... Posted by: MatthewSavage
» Christo-Fascists Posted by: kipleitner
And As A Catholic...
Posted by: bob t on Jan 4, 2007 4:04 AM   
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...I will say it once again. There is a parallel to this ever worsening situation, two Popes endorsed and supported Hitler and the Nazi Party beginning with the Reichskonkordat of 1933 which was the work of Pope Pius XI and a few years later Pope Pius XII continued the Vatican support for the Nazis, and look what the people of the world got out of WWII.

Once again we have the same situation, Pope John Paul II aligned the Catholic Church, my church, with the Republican Party when Reagan became president or maybe the Pope made Reagan the president via his control of catholic voters. And now we have Pope Benedict XI, who was a Nazi during WWII, who is staunchly maintaing the Catholic Church support for the Republican Party, and just look at what the rethugs have done to America especially in cooperation with georgie boy the little Hitler and his killing machine, Big Religion, Big Business and Big out of control gov't. If the Dems don't stop this situation right now our America is in very big trouble. These big religion keep saying they are Pro-Life when in fact they don't give a damn about the living. What they really are is Pro-Birth and Pro-Death. If they were truly Pro-Life then why are they attacking and cancelling our social programs, Social Security, Education, Health Care, stopping the Army Corps of Engineers from reinforcing levees in NOLA, taking money away from scientific research, making it harder to go to college, neglecting the public school system, flooding america with illegal immigrants and at the same time pouring endless amounts of money into the military, and bankrupting our country. Poor peole can be easily controlled and subjugated, just as are the people in Mexico, Central and South America, all catholic countries. Does the Pope put pressure on the gov't of these countries to raise up their people out of endless poverty, No. Instead he tells the catholic clergy and laity to break our laws on illegal immigrants and provide trhese immigrants with whatever help thewy need to avoid the law because they deserve a better standard of living, but if the Pope really cared he would be putting tremendous pressure, not on america to care for thee illegals, instead he would put pressure on their gov'ts. So eventually and soon america will become another poor country like Mexico, where 19 families control 90% of the wealth in Mexico, and the american taxpayer is left to bear the burden. And creating a poor America allows the Pope to maintain his power and control along over 'we the people' along with his republican friends and the 8100 families that control 90% of the wealth in america, at the taxpayers expense. After WWII the corporations paid 43% of the cost of running our gov't and the taxpayers paid 57% now the corps pay 7% and we the taxpayers pay 93%, but we surely don't get 93% of the benefits, because huge amounts of taxpayer dollars go directly to corporate welfare.

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Throw Them Out
Posted by: bob t on Jan 4, 2007 4:07 AM   
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We must take back our gov't from the corporations, the Neocons and the THEOCONS/THEOCRATS, aka the radical religious right wingnuts in America or we will lose our country to them.

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» RE: Throw Them Out Posted by: Uncle Crabby
» RE: Throw Them Out Posted by: philobat
Dominos Pizza, Blackwater and Herr Hitler Bush
Posted by: bob t on Jan 4, 2007 4:15 AM   
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Erik Prince has some analogues in the catholics of america such as Tom Monohan who owns Dominos Pizza. That is why I stopped buying Dominos Pizza many years ago. Hit them where it hurts, stop buying Dominos Pizza and the Dems must stop all of these private contractors like Blackwater, all of whom are the latest iteration of the Nazi Party with georgie boy playing the role of Hitler and Fox News playing the role of Hitlers Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels.

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» Fuck Dominos! Buy local! nm Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Fuck Dominos! Buy local! Posted by: MatthewSavage
» RE: Fuck Dominos! Buy local! Posted by: YogiBear
Hope it is not too late...
Posted by: xenacat on Jan 4, 2007 4:35 AM   
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the radical religious right has been on an unchecked rampage for the last twenty years and thier power has grown exponetially. Their fanaticism has seriously corroded education, is destroying civil rights and has plunged us into a horrible, deadly war. It is my deepest hope that we can over throw the religious theocracy that is so firmly in place already and that it is not too late to do so. The fact that they are so deeply entrenched in the military should be enormously frightening to us all.

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» RE: Hope it is not too late... Posted by: ALANHESTER
This reads like the right's fear mongering propaganda, from the other side.
Posted by: No.mad on Jan 4, 2007 5:32 AM   
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No one loathes the idiocy coming from the right more than I do, but it can't be offset by idiocy from the left.

the long campaign by the radical Christian right to dismantle America’s open society and build a theocratic state


What "long campaign?" Who is in charge? Which of the dozens? scores? hundreds? of branches of the right is waging this campaign?

Blackwater, the private security firm that has built a formidable mercenary force in Iraq


I am not sure the doofuses in Blackwater can, by any stretch of the imagination, be called a Praetorian Guard. The federal government has used private security for years, at least, and probably decades. The fact they claimed to be patrolling post-Katrina NO heavily armed and wearing their trademark black uniforms sounds like a couple of blowhards tooting their own horns to a reporter.

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» Can you say, "Pinkertons? Posted by: Philip Newton
» Long campaign Posted by: BlueTigress
I am not sure why I am not being allowed to finish my comment.
Posted by: No.mad on Jan 4, 2007 5:36 AM   
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Maybe AlterNet is censoring me?

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joehill
Posted by: joehill on Jan 4, 2007 5:50 AM   
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I am no fan of the Right - but this is a wee bit too far left. I work in a law enforcement related field and see absolutely no evidence of any right wing conspiracy. If anything, the people I work with and others I know in law enforcement and the military are swinging further left every day we fight Bush's war.

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» RE: joehill Posted by: sethmo
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» RE: joehill Posted by: Ian MacLeod
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» RE: joehill Posted by: DaBear
AMI
Posted by: aztec on Jan 4, 2007 6:17 AM   
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It's amazing how quickly Bush has made war crimes US policy, destroyed the Bill of Rights, funneled taxpayer dollars to psycho-religious thugs, killed and maimed Americans by failing to enforce labor and environmental laws; indeed Bush has turned the agencies over to the corporations that were supposed to be regulated by the agencies and destroyed the separation of powers.

Yet the Democrats do not seem anxious to pull out the troops from Iraq and Afghanistan or reverse the destruction of American democracy and the permanent imposition of Busho-fascism.

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» RE: AMI Posted by: ALANHESTER
George's little foibles
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jan 4, 2007 6:19 AM   
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George W. Bush was born into America’s ruling class and though he didn’t earn his place there, they considered him one of them. He shared their values, and they felt it imperative to make him president by whatever means necessary. They’d endured eight years of “common man” governance by the upstart from Arkansas and were determined to replace him with one of their own. Someone they felt they could control.

They felt it best to hide his little foibles (like being a coward and sociopath) for the greater good of increasing their wealth and power. So they used their control of the press and mass media to squelch any stories that cast him in a negative light.

Unlike Franklin D. Roosevelt, whom they called a traitor to his class, they considered George W. Bush a man they could rely on to serve their interests. And they were right, the Bush regime delivered a bonanza of treasure: tax breaks, war profiteering, graft, non-enforcement of health and safety, and pollution laws just to name a few. Bush corrupted every agency of the federal government by appointing a lawless gang of thugs to run every branch of government.

Never before has so much been stolen from so many and given to so few.

Problem is, George W. Bush has not been so easily controlled. He’s developed a lust for power and sees himself as omniscient and omnipotent dictator. That’s what comes of giving a weakling great power.

So now America’s “best and brightest” can only watch with horror, fearing what he might do next.

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» RE: George's little foibles Posted by: ALANHESTER
The Reader's are way ahead of this author
Posted by: wawa on Jan 4, 2007 6:25 AM   
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Media perfers to bash religion and ignore spiritually progressive voices that challenge the very wrong-'right'

Our country was built by spiritual progressives. The Puritans were about charity, not power, and that is the true American tradition.


"There are two Christianities in our midst. One worships a punitive father and seeks obedience at all costs. It is patriarchal, demonizes woman, the earth, science, gays, lesbians, and deep thought. It builds on fear and it supports empire-builders. Its theology includes a punitive father in the sky and teaches original sin.

"The other Christianity recognizes the original blessing that all beings derive from. We recognize awe, not sin, not guilt, as the starting point of true religion. We recognize a divinity who is source of all things and is as much mother as father, as much female as male. We honor creation and diversity. When God created everything, He pronounced it all good. We are here to make love to life. Yes, we are here to make love to life. Delight in creation and take your dreams into our politics and institutions. We live in the midst of a suicidal economy, motivated by love of money.

"We have reached a dead end. What we need to turn it around are hearts in love with life. How do we do it? We first must move from domination to partnership, and we begin by educating our young in awe and wonder, not how to take tests. Awe leads to reverence, which leads to gratitude, which will reinvent our species. This is the task of our generation: to regain awe. The three Rs need to be balanced by the ten Cs: contemplation, creativity, chaos, compassion, courage, critical consciousness, community, celebration, ceremony, and character."-Father Matthew Fox
excerpted Chapter 12: The Revolution Has Begun, page 129
"KEEP HOPE ALIVE"

http://www.wearewideawake.org

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» RE: HAHAHAHA! GUESS AGAIN! Posted by: greentime
Oh The Evil We Continue To Deny!
Posted by: mite on Jan 4, 2007 6:29 AM   
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As a patriot and Freeman who has spent years finding the truth I direct others to a few WEB sites to read, verify and share with everyone you know.

Do not accept without verification: www.givemeliberty.com

www.apfn.org/apfn/secretoath.htm www.devvy.com

www.wtpconstitutionalactivism.org/taxexemptform.htm

www.articbeacon.com www.infowars.com

*NOTICE Statement of Congressman Utt, 2nd Session 87th Congress* "This Constitution and the laws of the United States, which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and ALL TREATIES made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be supreme law of the land."

"Hence, any law enacted by Congress pursuant to a TREATY becomes the supreme law of the land even though it would be otherwise be unconstitutional."

I strongly suggest you start by reading more of Mr. Utt's statement before Congress at:

www.devvy.com/utt_20020410.html

Our Congress sold our country (U.S.) and us "a free person" into slavery to the United Nations and those International Bankers that control allof us. We through our ignorance, lazyness, and denial allowed forces to destroy- Family, God, and Morals of this once nation. Do not allow this to continue-wake-up free people, think of our children of the next generations.

I give "Devvy Kidd" and www.NewWithViews.com full credit as true patriot's for their continued fight to educate the reading public outside the 'Corprate Media-Press'.

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What they are talking about is Nuclear genocide by Israel and the US
Posted by: IanA on Jan 4, 2007 6:29 AM   
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It may be interesting to readers who missed it that this article was mentioned yesterday in the excelent site The War In Context and commented on by its editor Paul Woodward as follows:
If Chris Hedges' warning sounds hyperbolic, consider this: The extremes to which America might take its war against terrorism, recently became shockingly clear to me. A highly respected national security expert with insider knowledge of Pentagon thinking told me that several senior officers and defense executives have confided the following sentiment to him: "There may come a time when we have to kill millions of Muslims." Not surprisingly, neither is my source willing to name his, nor me mine, but believe me - this is not idle chatter!

The Israel lobby would have everyone believe that the threat of another holocaust emanates from Iran, yet what should generate more alarm: populist rantings from President Ahmadinejad repeating well-worn anti-Zionist rhetoric, or cold predictions circulating inside the U.S. military that an Islamic holocaust may become necessary?

Update -- I can now reveal my source: In a soon-to-be-published essay (and quoted here with the author's permission), Dr. Michael Vlahos (Senior Staff, National Security Analysis Department, Johns Hopkins University) writes:
I can attest to many "Defense World" conversations that have ended with: "the time may come when we will have to kill millions of Muslims," or, "history shows that to win over a people you have to kill at least 10% of them, like the Romans" (for comparison, we killed or contributed to the death of about 5% of Japan from 1944-46, while Russia has killed at least 8% of the Chechen people).

My own thoughts are -- If the American people do not stop the crimes of their administration, they will find themselves compounding the disastrous refusal to withdraw from an illegal war of aggression "without victory" in Iraq as a catastrophic advance to nuclear genocide in Iran. As I am well aware of the ignorance, hypocrisy and above all, lack of compassion that “the people” abide with, I can only hope that there are a few sensible generals left between such a delusional executive and the keys that arm the weapons.

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» Romans were not that nice Posted by: Swatopluk
christian militarists...
Posted by: particle61 on Jan 4, 2007 6:32 AM   
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fulminating fundamentalists, and braying bible thumpers-redstateupdate covers religious warrior beat with humor and prescience, see stories:

Lawmakers Certify Single Military Messiah
09-24-06 edition
Militant Ministers Concoct Combat Christ to Tempt Teenagers
05-31-06 edition

...and a new gwbush comic every week!

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wow
Posted by: imors on Jan 4, 2007 6:35 AM   
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our very own taliban.

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» RE: wow Posted by: Dboy
It just goes to show you... virtually any ideology can be corrupted into a hellish nightmare.
Posted by: Lord Ichmael on Jan 4, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Many ideologies, like religions including but not limited to Islam and Christianity, and governments such as communism and capitalism can be perverted so much that they end up looking nothing like what they were before being corrupted. And all corrupted ideologies are virtually the same in reality. All of them are tyrannical, totalitarian, amoral, and downright atrocious. Their is very little difference between corrupted ideologies. All of them will crush any and all opposition, as well as all of their own that do not adhere to their extremist ideals. Even many of those that DO adhere to such insane dictatorships wind up being destroyed. Islamic terrorists, Nazis, Stalinists, fascists, NeoCons, and radical Christians are all the same: power-hungry psychopaths that will pervert their country's dominant thinking style in order to help them seize totalitarian powers. All of them are insatiable and must be stopped at all costs. I hope the American Taliban doesn't manage to hijack this country totally anytime soon; if it does I'm either gonna have to abandon the USA or if failing that probably get killed.

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Ya better read this article or the rightwing boogeyman is gonna get ya!
Posted by: emmanuel_goldstein_fights_fake_lefties on Jan 4, 2007 7:03 AM   
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Who's that knocking on my door? It's the rightwing paramilitary mercenary fundies!! They are gonna get my kid and brainwash him into a fundie! I had better read this article and then vote democratic!

Who's that knocking on my door? It's Osama bin Hussein, and he and his terraists are gonna kill me! I had better let bush cut upper class taxes and then vote GOP!

Who's that knocking on my door? It's the San Francisco gays! THey are gonna rape my boy and turn him into a gay! I had better support the GOP and Democrats' legislation to entice more illegals to america!

Who's that knocking on my door? It's global warming and we are all gonna die! I had better support the democrats' spending on more money on grants for educated professionals to generate Identity Politics propaganda!


Around and around she goes....
where she stops, NOBODY knows....

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War is a racket
Posted by: Philip Newton on Jan 4, 2007 7:58 AM   
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This article is misleading. The fact is, the armed forces and police have always had a much higher percentage of conservative Christians. The fact that there is cynical manipulation of their beliefs should provoke anger, but is not, in my opinion, cause for a note of alarm any more shril than that which we should already be sounding, loud and clear.

The the Right has often used Christian trappings, however these groups are often "Christian" in name only.

American fascism is nothing new. There were the Silver Shirts, the Black Hand, the KKK, The American Legion, etc.

Smedley Butler, whose "War is a Racket" gets wide internet distribution, was an American general whom the industrial Right tried to build into an American dictator by asking him to overthrow the Roosevelt administration and declaring marshall law.

Fortunately, this good man turned the tables on the plutocrats and denounced them and their war machine before the nation.

I suggest everyone read "Labor's Untold Story" for a perspective on American industrial fascism and imperialism.

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» RE: War is a racket Posted by: philobat
» RE: War is a racket Posted by: Philip Newton
I AM A CHRISTIAN WHO BELIEVES THIS AUTHOR IS CORRECT!!
Posted by: alicelillie on Jan 4, 2007 8:11 AM   
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And, it's scary.

I remember getting something in the mail from one of these "religious right" groups that was sent to some Christian mailing list that said: "Do you want your beliefs to be codified into the law?"

My answer: "You bet I don't!" And, into the trash it went.

I was furious and still am. It is not *at all* Christian to force people to live any certain way. It *must* be voluntary or else it is no good.

As for the loss of the First and Fourth Amendments, he is absolutely right. These are all but lost already.

But there is something else which is also lost, something that the left does not agree with me on. (I am a Libertarian.)

I think the left should re-think this issue. That is the Second Amendment. We *must* allow individuals to keep and bear arms. Blackwater storm-troopers would hesitate to storm-troop if they thought somebody might be able to defend themselves. Police would stay in line too if they thought a citizen might be able to defend themself.

No, it would not be "the wild west." (Actually I am not sure the west was so wild. I think I would have been kind of bored....)

As long as all the arms are in the hands of government (or strictly regulated by government) and firms like Blackwater (and garden-variety criminals), we are all helpless, and the situation will only get worse.

Remember, Hitler took all the guns away...

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A lost lesson of Jesus
Posted by: CMaciolek on Jan 4, 2007 8:50 AM   
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Before he died Jesus foretold of the razing of the great temple. He said it would be torn down so that not one stone rested on another. How did he know this? Simple logic, really.

Jesus saw that the rich Jews were using religion to get the peasant Jews to fight the Romans for them. In effect, they weaponized their religion. Now, anyone who knows anything about fighting will surely tell you, 'you always fight the weapon first.' If you're in a fight and your opponent pulls a knife, you fight the knife until they drop it – then you go back to fighting the person again. Jesus knew that the Romans would have to eventually fight Judaism, because the Jews were using it as a weapon.

Fast forward to today and we can make the same prophesy; because of how the United States is using Christianity, Rome will be torn down so completely that not one stone will rest upon another.

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innnteresting
Posted by: hangman on Jan 4, 2007 8:59 AM   
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this is sounding to be stranger than fiction.
given the recent commentaries and remarks made by both Bush and Pat Robertson.
with Robertson pushing his prediction of a million being killed (sounded as though he was pushing his crusade fears)and now what is a kicker is ... Bush made a comment on the news in his statement about finding common ground with the Dems and now including "radicals" with the threat of terrorists.

I wonder if the 'radical' Christian Right Wing should now be on his list of those to fear in his own words of fighting "radicals and terrorists"?
oh my ,what a dilema.

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» Pat Robertson Posted by: Dboy
Looks like the Middle East is paying close attention to this...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 4, 2007 9:08 AM   
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Way back when, before 9/11, I told a couple of European tourists that the only thing Bush wanted to do was to start wars all over the world. I suppose I felt the need to apologize.

Take a look at this "chain of command" (Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld) -> Stephen Cambone -> General William Boykin. Boykin is on his way out (reportedly he is preparing his retirement papers), but he still provides fodder for Mideast writers, like this piece from Yemen:

"....Lt. General William Boykin, the Deputy Undersecretary of Intelligence in the Department of Defense in the Bush Administration (II), has now declared himself to be the new savior of Christianity and wants to lead a new Christian Crusade against “Satan” and the heathens that are now threatening the West. Mind you, it is the Zionist intruders into the Holy Land that have desecrated the Christian Churches that existed peacefully in the Land of Palestine for centuries under Islamic rule, even those left over by the Crusades launched by Pope Urban II. But that does not seem to bother the evangelical dogmatists that are even more Zionist than the Zionist trespassers in the Holy Land. In fact they regard this ugly intrusion as “holy” and a part of the human destiny laid out by God Al-Mighty. God forbid that He should ever condone any form of suffering upon mankind eminating from any persuasion. We must come to terms with the fact that any oppression unleashed against any human beings is indeed the work of Satan (including the misdeeds of politicians and demagogues). God should never be associated with the evil intents of arrogant chauvinists, who claim to have a license to kill, maim and render people homeless. But Pope Urban III (Boykin) insists that Satan must be pursued in the Near East and wherever Islam has been peacefully implanted (To the dismay of many chroniclers, who sought to claim otherwise, Islam denounces forced conversion, since this conversion is usually heartless and does not provide the right moral foundations for true adherence to the faith). Yet Lt. General Boykin desires for the rejuvenation of the Inquisition and other pogroms that sought to solidify Christianity’s hold on any territory by the outright slaughter of any non-adherents to the Cross. This is the kind of rhetoric that the unethical right wing – Zionist coalition is disseminating in the United States and is posing a real danger to any hopes of a peaceful world, where all religious, ethnic and racial cohesion should be an essential theme for human existence. What would prompt such a senior well positioned icon of the New Crusades to make such threatening remarks, at this time, is no more than an effort to nurture the hate mongering drives of these conservative iconoclasts, who have a very itchy craving for conflict and wars as the only basis for achieving their political ambitions...."
Yemen Times opinion Jan 4 07

However, it seems that the responsible members of the military/law enforcement are through with this BS. Perhaps there will be a full accounting... a Congressional review of Rumsfeld's Pentagon Intelligence operation, run by Cambone and Boykin, is definitely in order. All three (Rumsfeld, Cambone and Boykin) should be charged with war crimes for their promotion of torture in Iraq, as well.

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Dichotomy
Posted by: redstarwraith on Jan 4, 2007 9:12 AM   
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To me, what is most interesting to keep an eye on (aside from the very real threats the author speaks of) is this dichotomous antagonism between those who would seek to hoodwink the rest of us into accepting this twisted version of something called "Christianity" coupled with these so-called "churches" and their whore-like relationship to capitalism. It will be interesting to see how and if this whole charade can maintain itself or will it come flying apart at the seams, torn asunder by its own inner contradictions? We already have seen examples of the Christian Right's tripping over their own antagonisms: pay attention to how they criticize Hollywood, like it's a Biblical Sodom and Gomorrah - and yet, . . . the Christian Right has jumped into bed with (big, corporate money) inextricably linked to Hollywood?! The Harper's article the author refers to was priceless. . .these phoney ministers, preaching against gambling while their own money is tied up in. . .building casinos?! I can almost pee my pants with laughter.

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The "Christian" "Right" is neither, they are Nazis
Posted by: xbj on Jan 4, 2007 9:35 AM   
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Even German Nazis thought THEY were good Christians, ridding the world of "Christ-killing" Jews.

That bunk about Hitler being an occultist is just that... BS. No more than Nancy Reagan consulting her astrologer. Hitler thought he was a Christian, annointed by God to rid the world of "His killers". He was woefully every bit as mistaken as the Amerikan "Christian" "Right", and here's why:

Jesus never sought political or military power. He never tried to "take over" Rome. He and His early Christians never even tried to fight Rome.

If you are a true Christian, other than shouting the truth loud and long, you are commanded, by His example, to have nothing to do with politics, law enforcement, power, or especially, the military. As a Christian, your Kingdom is not of this world.

As for "What about making the world a better place?" Do it by telling the truth, shouting it if necessary, but do not compel or force anyone to believe as you do, or to establish or force anyone to follow what you believe to be moral law. Jesus Christ NEVER did this, and you don't either, IF you truly follow Christ and His life (and death) example, to the cross if necessary.

If you do do the things I listed above instead of emulating Jesus' life, you do so at your own peril, because you are not a Christian, you're a duped Amerikan Nazi Christianist.

And there's no excuse. You, above all others, supposedly know what kind of life Jesus led. And you chose the way of the Romans, the Pharisees, the High Priests, and the rabble who wanted Barrabas, someone who "would get things done and fight the Romans" instead of Jesus Christ.

And the way of the German Nazis.

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It's time!
Posted by: badkitty on Jan 4, 2007 9:37 AM   
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Yes, it's time to abolish the military! It's a greater threat to us than any "terrorists".

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