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Enough With the 'One God' Stuff

By James Foley, AlterNet. Posted September 23, 2006.


In the world today, one ancient religious ideology, monotheism, stands out as especially dangerous, repressive and loony.

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Sam Harris's book "The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason," which won the 2005 Pen Award for nonfiction, develops a smart, knowledgeable polemic about the growing dangers of all religious ideologies. Although I love Harris' rant, my personal obsession has long been with how weird monotheism is. Monotheism insists there is but one god, a man of course, alone in the universe for all eternity. Even as a child, I found this to be a crazy idea.

The Greeks and Romans, the Hindus, and the Egyptians all imagined many different gods who hang out together, the way people throughout the world do. These cultures envisioned social gods with busy existences who like pleasure, food, sex, art and other good things of life. As with people, the social ties among the gods loosely constrain their destructive impulses. Mostly these gods are so involved with each other they only sometimes notice the lesser beings, just as people only sometimes notice their household animals. The multiple gods of great cultural systems, and the gods and spirits of many tribal cultures as well, are familiar, understandable. They project the human world into the sky, the same way science fiction does (except, of course, science fiction understands it is offering fiction).

But monotheism posits one omnipotent, lonely sucker all by himself -- "the sky god" as Gore Vidal once called him. The first five books of the Hebrews' Bible reveal, not surprisingly, that the sky god is often angry, jealous, vengeful, and even murderous -- regularly toying with, manipulating and punishing the puny beings he creates to worship and amuse him. Not surprisingly, he's a self-absorbed ascetic who invents for his "children" bizarre, impossible-to-comply-with rules governing a multitude of tiny details of daily life. Sometimes he goes berserk about minor infractions; frequently he ignores major violations of his own rules. He's the original bad father, threatening awful punishments, with no wife, lover, siblings, friends, co-workers, neighbors or relatives to reign him in.

Early Christians and then Muslims added to monotheism the great creative innovation of the promise of eternal life. A person gets to live forever if, and only if, that person closely follows the sky god's rules. This made monotheism much easier to sell, especially when coupled with the offer of extra credit toward salvation for converting others. It also made monotheism fantastically effective in motivating, inspiring, controlling and ruling people. Fueled by the monotheists' inexhaustible missionary zeal, in nearly 2,000 years this peculiar ideology has spread throughout much of the globe.

Here in the high-tech futuristic 21st century, the punitive, vengeful, sky god is as strong and legitimate as he's been in a long time. Modernity, it turns out, was no cure for monotheism. If anything, it increases extremism, especially -- but never only -- among the dispossessed. And now in the Middle East we have the volatile blend of pissed-off Jews, Muslims, and Christians, each convinced they possess an a iron-clad mandate from their one and only angry god. Mixed in as well are many weapons, lots of oil, and the dangerous, born-again idiocy of George W. Bush and other prominent Republicans. All this is concentrated on the turf that monotheists everywhere see as their origin, their home, their "holy land."

Present-day America's most popular form of lunatic monotheism -- fundamentalist, evangelical Protestantism (and especially end-of-days Christianity with tens of millions of believers convinced that Jesus is returning soon) -- is deeply obsessed with the holy land. Crazed Christian fundamentalists love it when crazed Jewish warriors battle it out with crazed Islamic warriors. The Pat Robertsons regard the wars as win-win and ordinary believers see them as signs that the saved will soon be lifted to heaven. Unfortunately, these fundamentalist Christians now have enormous influence over the foreign policy of the most powerful nation in the world.


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Truth!
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Sep 23, 2006 9:46 AM   
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Brilliant, Mr. Foley! I couldn't have said it better, myself, and I've been practicing for years. You've nailed monotheism dead center. Fox Mulder said, "The truth is out there!" Well, sir, now it's in here.

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» Just one trouble Posted by: Artkansas
» You just made the point... Posted by: Ktflake
» I don't think you understood. Posted by: Artkansas
» Okay, but... Posted by: Ktflake
» RE: Okay, but... Posted by: DanielT28
» Well said... Posted by: Ktflake
» RE: Truth! Posted by: mdruss42
» RE: Truth! Posted by: Lauren
fuck religions
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Sep 23, 2006 3:18 PM   
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lets reject religion all together, it asked a lot of the human race and did nothing good in return.

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» But as Jung says Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: fuck religions Posted by: rsaxto
I'm Tempted to Say: Thank God I'm an Atheist...but
Posted by: Jayzer on Sep 23, 2006 7:54 PM   
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Much as I enjoyed this piece by Foley, I was tempted to say, thank god I'm an atheist, but I'm an agnostic. We agnostics are usually held in low esteem even by atheists since we refuse to categorically rule out the possibility that there is (or was) a god or gods and goddesses. Fact is, agnostics don't know, and in my case anyway, don't really care.

Among the first lines in the Tao Te Ching is this little gem: "The way (tao) that can be spoken of is not the constant way; the name that can be named is not the constant name. The nameless was the beginning of heaven and earth; The named was the mother of the myriad creatures. Hence always rid yourself of desires in order to observe its secrets; But always allow yourself to have desires in order to observe its manifestations. These two are the same but diverge in name as they issue forth. Being the same they are called mysteries, Mystery upon mystery--The gateway of the manifold secrets."

(From Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, translated by D.C. Lau)

This is part of why Taoism, properly speaking, is a philosophy, even though it is often thought to be a "religion." But even the best of philosophical schools gets corrupted.

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» I'd like to add something Posted by: Ahimsa
» RE: Atheist = Christian Posted by: DCostello2
Pantheism
Posted by: edith on Sep 24, 2006 4:51 AM   
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An interesting approach that atheists, agnostics pagans and monotheists can all find common values and observations. Take a peek at www.pantheism.net.

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» RE: Pantheism Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: Pantheism Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Pantheism Posted by: Doubtom
Monotheism ignores inherent variety
Posted by: sunflwrmoonbeam on Sep 24, 2006 10:03 AM   
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Perhaps people en masse are starting to recognize the lunacy of monotheism. The various neo-pagan groups, a significant portion of which are true polytheists (vs. pantheists, duotheists, or monotheists) have been growing quickly since the 80's.

Personally, I am a polytheist and always have been. The idea that there is only ONE RIGHT WAY and ONE TRUTH has struck me as completely ridiculous in a world with such complexity and variety.

The world is too complex and beautiful to allow for one lonely, angry, male deity.

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» Yes indeedy Posted by: fifthworld
Unknowable Truth
Posted by: MrAllen on Sep 24, 2006 11:24 AM   
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I've been a so-called spiritual seeker for thirty years.I've got a handle on it,to my own satisfaction(panentheism)--my best guess. I call myself an agnostic with a spiritual bent.

I'd never be willing to attempt to legislate a spiritual perspective or harm another over a mere guess.

Clearly,many are more than willing.

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» RE: Unknowable Truth Posted by: bendee5731
More Inconvenient Truths
Posted by: SFRosalyne on Sep 24, 2006 11:59 AM   
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This article emphasizes several points made by Riane Eisler's book The Chalice and the Blade published nearly 20 years ago. One key point made in her book is the rise of domination-based androcratic (rule by the male) governments based on monotheistic principles of an all-dominant male deity and the devaluation of females in both social stature and intelligence as being of less value than males. Never mind the fact that large-scale human (and polytheistic) civilizations existed peacefully for centuries before the rise of Mesopotamian cultures (which are still taught as the cradle of civilization) some 5,000 years ago. Unfortunately, one other common theme of monotheistic cultures: the rewriting of history to suit their needs and thus perpetuating this unnatural heirarchy simply because other views of history are suppressed. Talk about inconvenient truths....

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» RE: More Inconvenient Truths Posted by: mdruss42
» RE: More Inconvenient Truths Posted by: nurstat
» ESSESS6926 Posted by: nurstat
» RE: SSESS6926 Posted by: DanielT28
Reason Leads To God
Posted by: eyeman on Sep 24, 2006 12:02 PM   
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Nice article if you do not like religion. But I and many billions find it arrogant to say there is nothing beyond us, pathetic human beings. Obviously the world is beyond our comprehension even after all these years.
What the author did was blame God for all the disgusting things that arrogant humans committed.
We have to admit that this is not and can not be it. We have recognize our limits. Religion is beautiful and the universe is awesome. The great majority of Scientists were believers in a one God. So are intellectuals So are the great reformers.
God is a relaity. do not blame god for our own failures. On a personal level, a birth of a child and a moment of death, gorgeous nights with stars and ugly creatures, the diversity and yet structure of the world leads us to the only eternal reality.. God.

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» Uh... Posted by: Ktflake
» RE: Uh... Posted by: mac macgillicuddy
» RE: eason Leads To God Posted by: ArchiesBoy
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So we hear again from the peanut gallery? Everybody's a theologian.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 24, 2006 12:20 PM   
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The theology Foley ridicules deserves it. However, to identify that with monotheism is also ridiculous—a very uneducated opinion.

The primary message of monotheism as found in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition is that God remains unknowable, unspeakable, and that’s why the view Foley chooses to caricature includes as the very first of the Mosaic commandments the prohibition of idolatry.

Thank you Mr. Foley for the defense of that prohibition. All the reasons you cite are idolatrous. So what you ridicule is monotheism turned into superstition. There's a difference. Get an education.

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» Thank you, Sojourner! Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» Right on Posted by: doctorsquared
Awesome!
Posted by: Ktflake on Sep 24, 2006 12:39 PM   
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Well said. Monotheism creates a situation where people attempt to claim sole ownership of that "all powerful" being. When you have many to choose from, its open. With many, humanity is reflected in the gods, or vice-versa, depending on how you want look at it. In this way, humans are very much made in the image of the gods. But with one, almighty, perfect being--how do you live up to that? You don't. But, you can sure as hell argue that you are and tell everyone else they're going to hell. Wonderful.

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace..."

Robba29

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» RE: Imagine Posted by: mwildfire
» RE: Imagine..too true Posted by: Robba29
» RE: Awesome! Posted by: janten
JESUS IS MYTH
Posted by: atomic on Sep 24, 2006 1:44 PM   
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Jesus is a myth. He never existed at all. While there are some great messages in the bible it was written by men not a god and long after Jesus was supposed to have been alive. Just like Adam and Eve the Jesus myth was created by human beings. There exists no written record of him from the time he was supposed to have lived. None. All of it comes almost 100 years later. There are zero documents that show Jesus was ever alive. We have documents of many others who lived then but surprisingly none for "the son of god".

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» Couldn't have said it better... Posted by: doctorsquared
» Josephus--Festivus? Posted by: Robba29
» RE: JESUS IS MYTH Posted by: fixitt
» RE: JESUS IS MYTH Posted by: mac macgillicuddy
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Enough with the “dualism” stuff
Posted by: GustavJefferson on Sep 24, 2006 2:45 PM   
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Monotheism versus polytheism (or atheism) isn’t the problem; it is the dualistic psychology of the general population of the world that is the problem. When dualistic psychology latches on to any idea it always uses the idea to end up supporting an us against them mentality. In our dualistic us versus them thinking style, we almost always fail to see ourselves doing the very thing we want to make the “them” guilty of. For example, to say that monotheism is a problem that needs to be remedied is to ignore that calling monotheism a problem is just another form of us against them mentality (implicit in the thesis that monotheism is a problem is an us against them mentality). Realize that, in its most essential formation, monotheism is based on the idea of one (all one), not duality (us against them). The problem is not monotheism, it is the perversion of monotheism with dualistic thinking that is the problem; such perversion results in an idea of a god whose thinking is just as dualistically insane as the dualistically thinking humans who invented that god. The only problem is the idea of problems; it’s all born of dualistic thinking. Dualistic thinking is conflict based, monistic thinking is unity based. So, enough with the “dualism” stuff.

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» RE: nough with the “dualism” stuff Posted by: stoneinthestream
» Huh? Posted by: mirimac
bravo
Posted by: caru on Sep 24, 2006 3:19 PM   
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i think it is time to tell all the beautiful stories that come forth from earth, we need to hear all the stories. include all exclude none. from this place we can be truly present with complete awareness. now, alternet, can you provide a space for telling these other stories -- can you give a yogi space to speak of the hindi gods, a zen master space to speak of the many buddhas, a native american elder space to speak of the beauty and truth of the earth walk and a pagan witch and goddess earth worshiper to speak of the life giving mother and life giving sister. we who have knowledge can share it so all can see an alternative to the god cult. may we all become enlightened so we can treat each other with decency and respect.

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» and a sunny day Posted by: edith
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Thank you
Posted by: tiellis on Sep 24, 2006 3:38 PM   
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Thank you for this refreshing article on the pathogenic tendencies of monotheism. For myself, I acknowledge only one litmus test for anyone's belief system: "By their fruits shall ye know them." In short, we can judge a person's beliefs about the unknowable only according to the effect that those beliefs have on his or her behavior.

If your beliefs make you courageous, compassionate, healthy, and contented, I don't care WHAT you believe about the unknowable. But conversely, if your beliefs make you bigoted, vain, hypocritical, and mean-spirited, I have no use for them.

And unfortunately, while there have been some truly gentle, courageous, and inspiring people among the ranks of the three monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam), all three of these religions have, on the whole, done far more evil than good, in sowing the seeds of hatred, bigotry, repression, and genocide. Because the minute you posit "one God," the question arises: Whose god? And all three monotheisms answer the same: "Mine, not yours."

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» RE: Thank you Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: Thank you Posted by: ALANHESTER
» RE: Thank you Posted by: ALANHESTER
Why religious fundamentalism should not be promoted by the US government
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 24, 2006 3:57 PM   
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There's an interesting example of the effects of "One God Monotheism" playing out in Saudi Arabia today (as well as the rest of the world), and that's the Wahhabi interpretation of Islam. Modern Saudi Arabia originated in the alliance of a strictly puritanical Islamist by the name of Wahhabi who founded the Suadi religious leadership; the roots of Saudi Arabia lie in alliance between Wahhabis and the Al Sa'ud warrior family around 1750 - around the same time as the American revolution against British colonial rule.

The first action that they took was to persecute all those who worshipped sacred places, women who didn't walk ten paces behind the men, and so on (think Taleban). The notion of a focused god and the divine rule of the Wahhabis and the Sa'uds remains present right up to this day. The fundamentalist Islamic vision was heavily promoted by the US in the Middle East as a bulwark against communism; it also allowed the use of 'religious police' to keep the populace in line. The most spectacular backfiring of this policy occurred on September 11, 2001, when 19 fervent Wahhabis killed some 3000 people within an hour and a half.

The notion that "God is in everything" makes it more difficult to oppress and enslave our fellow human beings, as that would mean attacking God. Thus, tyrants prefer the notion of God as Lord and Master, with the said tyrant serving as the interpreter and executer of God's designs. If you want to know what the 15th century was like in Europe, or the Puritans were like in the days of the Salem witch trials, just look inside Saudi Arabia today.

Of course, the Saudi royals and their hangers-on (such as the Bush and bin Laden families) don't take any of this seriously - they just view religious fundamentalism as one of several possible routes to power and wealth.

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» instead of shouting... Posted by: thoughtcriminal
just a quick observation...
Posted by: Capybara on Sep 24, 2006 6:17 PM   
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Since I didn't see it mentioned above. Doesn't Christianity get critiqued for being polytheistic? The whole trinitarian thing can be pretty confusing, and makes dialogue and conflict between 'monotheisms' a little more complicated.

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» RE: just a quick observation... Posted by: Metesh-ah
» RE: just a quick observation... Posted by: AntiChrist
» RE: just a quick observation... Posted by: aonghus36
LEVITY ALERT! You'll all like this
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 24, 2006 7:27 PM   
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"I'm neither an atheist nor an agnostic; I'm an acrostic -- the whole thing puzzles me."

- George Carlin

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In defense of dualism and the Creator
Posted by: SeverelyJaded on Sep 24, 2006 8:00 PM   
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A primary problem with this discussion about the Creator is the failure to recognize that religion is based on the assertions of certain people about the nature of the Creator and reality. It is also obvious that religion is not the truth, hence its images of reality are flawed. Nonetheless, reality does indeed exist. Likewise, if someone tells lies about you, does that make you a liar or simply the target of lies? There is no truth without discernment and no wisdom without the truth.

I wonder why someone like Albert Einstein, who proved his ability to outreason anyone on this forum, came to the conclusion that there was indeed a Creator of this universe? Also, he recognized that religion was folly. Religion and the Creator are not the same things. How can anyone who can't discern the difference come to a legitimate conclusion?

This is a bipolar universe and morality is an aspect of this universe, hence it is bipolar also. Because people observe the many gradations on the continuum of existence and conclude they are unconnected states only means they couldn't wrap their minds around the full problem, yet. It doesn't mean the problem or its correct solution don't exist. Similarly, because a fish at the bottom of the ocean can't perceive stars doesn't mean the stars don't exist.

None of the arguments or so-called philosophies that try to demonstrate non-dualism hold up to the simplest of thought experiments, much less math or physics. Read David Bohm's Wholeness and the Implicate Order and related works to gain a better understanding of our universe. The 11 dimensions of our reality exist as a continuum. The first seven (implicate order) are the spiritual conceptual "end" and space-time (explicate order) is the other "end."

Here is Wisdom!!

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» Polemics Posted by: ossiechic
From the Persian master
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 24, 2006 8:17 PM   
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"The great religions of the world are ships;

poets the life-boats.

Most every sane person I know
has jumped overboard.

That's great for business, isn't it

Hafiz?!

- Hafiz

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» RE: From the Persian master Posted by: hellofriends
And another quote, from the great Hassidic master
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 24, 2006 8:23 PM   
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'Some [people] go on a hunger strike in the prison of the mind, starving for God. There is joy, ancient and sudden, in this starving. There is joy, a grasp of the intangible, in the flaming reverie breaking through the bars of thought.'

- Abraham J. Heschel

(one of the truly great ecumenical, visionary theologians of the last century).

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» A bit misleading Posted by: fifthworld
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Thank you for the rich quotations.
Posted by: Sojourner on Sep 24, 2006 8:40 PM   
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One cannot argue with poets. The only relevant response is more poetry. And that's a great way to go. More, more, more.

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» More Poetry Posted by: wawa
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» RE: the rest Posted by: robmikejas
The Problem
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 24, 2006 10:02 PM   
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The problem is not monotheism, polytheism, agnosticism, atheism or any brand of any of the above. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has developed, or is developing, their personal take on faith and what it means. It is very important as it informs your entire outlook on the important things of life.

That said, the problem is not that people hold to a certain belief, but that they are intolerant of the right of others who do not share it. There's the rub, as Shakespeare said.

The problem is not any faith, non-faith or philosophy. The problem is intolerance.

intolerant |inˈtälərənt| adjective not tolerant of others' views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own

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The gods come from the soils
Posted by: HeroesAll on Sep 24, 2006 10:33 PM   
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George Monbiot wrote a fascinating article about a year ago which dealt with the origin of gods. Here's a link:
http://billtotten.blogspot.com/2005/03/god-of-soil.html

The original seems to be no longer available on Monbiot's own website.

Anyway, his theory (based on someone else's) was that the type of religion was dependent on the type of soil. See, fertile soils made for stable agrarian societies, which tended to have 'gods of place': a god of this spring, a god of that tree, and so on. They also recognised the cycle of the seasons, which they put down to more gods.

Those societies based on poor soils were of necessity nomadic. Thus they'd soon leave behind their gods of place, so they had to have a god that travelled well, as it were. One they could pack up with the tents and take with them. So they tended to come up with just the one god (saved space). That god could then be relied upon to do anything they needed: a god of all work, if you like.

Clearly I'm not putting it as well as Monbiot did, but it's a very persuasive idea, and seems borne out by such knowledge as I have. And regardless of what you personally may believe, it's credible that soil type determined societal structure which in turn determined goddiness (goddity?).

I'm not a god-botherer myself, but I have no objection to those who are. What I do object to is having those godbotherers try to tell me how to run my life according to their precepts. Particularly when the actions of so many monotheists are so clearly at odds with their stated religion.

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» It's an interesting idea Posted by: fifthworld
The Sky God
Posted by: ArchiesBoy on Sep 25, 2006 3:39 AM   
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Couldn't have said it better m'self! One of the best pieces on the perversion of religion I've ever read! And I daresay there will be more such works from many others as time goes on. My only quibble is that it's not only monotheism that causes trouble. It's whatever religion happens to be in the historical catbird seat. Thank God I'm an agnostic! ;-)

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will no one speak for science?
Posted by: aislinnluv on Sep 25, 2006 4:54 AM   
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i left 'god' and religion behind at the age of nine. for a long time i wandered without a philosophical nail on which to hang my belief hat. finally i found something that enabled me to believe in something. though i can't thoroughly understand it, yet it explains (to me) phenomena that otherwise have puzzled people for ages. SCIENCE. yep, quantum physics. i'm not a left-brained type (much) so before any intellectuals get on my case, i offer apologies for mislabeling anything. i'm merely trying to present an alternative idea here. consider: it is impossible to destroy energy. it is possible to detect electrical charges (emissions) related to thoughts. what if we were all beings created of energy, vibrating at different wavelengths? what if "god" were merely the sum of all the energies that exist... would that not mean that "god is everywhere" (where have i heard that before?) and "god is in us all"? (ditto). if this were true, then reincarnation could be true (which i believe). it could explain a number of what we term "psychic phenomena" such as ghosts. i've struggled to find something that i can believe in and this is far easier for me to subscribe to than the idea of some gentle soul who is going to return to observe a wholesale slaughter of anyone who doesn't buy into his brand of thinking, prior to hauling legions of "true believers" into a poorly defined "other space" (heaven) where they will be frolicking with zillions of those who have gone before (could this explain why the universe has to expand? to accommodate all those "souls" that keep coming up there?)
anyway, give it a thought. science, it's not just for breakfast anymore.

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WAKE UP to LIBERATION theology
Posted by: wawa on Sep 25, 2006 5:21 AM   
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Within theological feminism, a distinction is made between revolutionary and reformist feminists.

Reformists recognize the liabilities and the potentialities of the Christian tradition, and seek to reformulate faith and practice.

Revolutionary feminists find the Christian tradition irredeemably patriarchal and oppressive and looks to other traditions or to new theologies.



Liberation Theology accepts that ALL faiths are from God and ALL beings are sacred and equal.

The fastest growing CULT in the USA is the cult of 'Christian'-Zionism, which is inherently anti-semitic and is a modern theological and POLITICAL movement that embraces the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism, thereby becoming detrimental to a just peace within Palestine and Israel.

The Christian Zionist program provides a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it laces an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ's love and justice today.

Christian Zionist doctrine is a false teaching that corrupts the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation that Christ taught-thus, the best way to understand the anti-christ is to see it reflected in this oppressive theology of empire, control, power and domination of others.


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In any particular context, "God" is what you make him.
Posted by: akai ringo on Sep 25, 2006 5:49 AM   
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There's a very interesting and readable book by Jack Miles (it won a Pulitzer Prize) called "God. A biography", which makes it very clear, on the basis of a detailed analysis of the Bible, that "God" as expressed in the Bible, is in fact an amalgam based on a number of earlier gods from Mesopotanean, Hittite and other traditions, hence the many contradictory faces shown by God in different parts of the Bible. In other words, and simplifying greatly, particular peoples construct a god or set of gods to meet their needs at any particular time. There is certainly nothing absolute about any God concept, hence the utter futility of arguing about it. I haven't read the Monbiot piece referred to in one comment, but this idea would seem to fit quite well with Monbiot's.
It's clear from this, I hope, that I don't accept any organized religion as being better than any other, and eveyone should be free to sign up with whatever religion takes their fancy, or not, as they please. At the same time, I do not feel able to accept copletely the argument put forward by some neurologists that every kind of "spiritual" (non-physical) phenomenon is completely explicable by reference to a particular configuration of neurons, but that is as far as I think any reasonable person can go.

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Dualism and Monotheism
Posted by: armorica on Sep 25, 2006 5:59 AM   
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But can we not envision monotheists as seeing the world dualistically? To them, you are either a believer in the correct God, or you are not.

Often, monotheists can not get past that division to imagine complexity or agnosticism.

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