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Learning to Love America

By Nina Burleigh, AlterNet. Posted April 24, 2006.


I cringed as my young son recited the Pledge of Allegiance. But who was I to question his innocent trust in America?
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When people give driving directions to the upstate New York hamlet of Narrowsburg, they always refer to the big red brick schoolhouse at the stoplight. Narrowsburg Central Rural School has been on the hill on School Street since 1929, educating four generations of local children.

Nobody alive in town remembers a time when the campus -- with its white doors, sloping green lawn, and Stars and Stripes snapping in the breeze -- was not there. But last year, bankrupted by local fiscal mismanagement and the woes of the post 9/11 New York state economy, the little school was shuttered. When the last student skipped out of its double doors in the summer of 2005, janitors moved in with packing tape and boxes from a nearby egg farm to empty the classrooms. Among the pupils left behind was my son, a member of the last kindergarten class.

Our family first arrived in Narrowsburg in 2000 as city people hunting for a cheap house. For barely $50,000 we were able to buy the "weekend house" we thought would complete our metropolitan existence. But soon after we closed on the home, we moved to Paris, spurred by the serendipitous arrival of a book contract. When our European idyll ended after two years, and with tenants still subletting our city apartment, we moved into the Narrowsburg house. After growing accustomed to the French social system -- with its cheap medicine, generous welfare, short work week and plentiful child care -- life back in depressed upstate New York felt especially harsh. We'd never planned to get involved in the life of the town, nor had it ever occurred to us that we might send our son to the Narrowsburg School. Suddenly we were upstate locals, with a real stake in the community.

In the fall of 2004, we enrolled our son in kindergarten at the Narrowsburg School. The school's reputation among our friends, other "second-home-owners," was not good. "Do they even have a curriculum?" sniffed one New York City professor who kept a weekend home nearby. Clearly, Narrowsburg School was not a traditional first step on the path to Harvard. As far as I could tell, though, no one besides us had ever set foot inside the building. When my husband and I investigated, we were pleasantly surprised. The school had just been renovated; it was clean, airy, cheerful. The nurse and the principal knew every one of the 121 children by name. Our son would be one of just twelve little white children in a sunny kindergarten class taught by an enthusiastic woman with 18 years' experience teaching five-year-olds.

Still, for the first few months, we felt uneasy. Eighty of Narrowsburg's 319 adults are military veterans and at least ten recent school graduates are serving in Iraq or on other bases overseas right now. The school's defining philosophy was traditional and conservative, starting with a sit-down-in-your-seat brand of discipline, leavened with a rafter-shaking reverence for country and flag. Every morning the students gathered in the gym for a "Morning Program," open to parents, which began with the Pledge of Allegiance, followed by a patriotic song, and then discussion of a "Word of the Week." During the first few weeks, the words of the week seemed suspiciously tied to a certain political persuasion: "Military," "tour," "nation" and "alliance," were among them.

But it wasn't until our boy came home with an invitation in his backpack to attend a "released-time" Bible class that my husband and I really panicked. We called the ACLU and learned this is an entirely legal way for evangelicals to proselytize to children during school hours. What is against the law is sending the flyer home in a kid's backpack, implying school support. After we called to inquire about the legality, the ACLU formally called the principal to complain. She apologized and promised never to allow it again. While we were never identified as the people who dropped the dime to the ACLU, there was clearly no one else in the school community who would have done so -- and the principal never looked at us quite as warmly again.


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Nina Burleigh has written for the Washington Post, the Chicago Tribune and New York magazine.

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You may not be satisfied with your..
Posted by: RandomAction on Apr 24, 2006 12:23 AM   
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..country, but don't worry you have plenty of satisfaction with yourself.

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I Once Was BLIND Too
Posted by: thinkverybig on Apr 24, 2006 12:52 AM   
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I once was blind about America and the so-called goodness of it. But now that I have been enlightened over the years, I've come to understand the most things I was taught, probably was a lie. I have since been reborn with a renewed way of thinking and living and so I have taken upon myself to try and enlighten as many as I can.

Just recently two CEO's retired and one will receive 1.6 billion and the other 400 million in retirement. Is that fair? Is it right? NO. It's time for a change.

We must change. A REVOLUTION is needed in this country and needed now.

I am in the process of creating a website by the name of "WeMustChange.org" and I'm looking for volunteers who might be interested in coming aboard and helping me get this concept off of the ground. I need a website designer, and some talented and creative people who are willing to put forth an effort to make a difference in this world. I am presently pondering websites formats etc. Please email ideas to david@thinkverybig.com

One thing I do want to address is oppression world wide. I need more ideas and view points. Let's make "WeMustChange.org" a household name. I need some good people on my team.

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The Death of America
Posted by: Tom Degan on Apr 24, 2006 1:33 AM   
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When I was a child, I, too, had a "right or wrong" love of my country. I lost that a long, long time ago. Does that make me any less patriotic? Hell no! For the past five years, the very public stand that I have taken to this criminal administration is the most patriotic thing I've ever done in my life. My love of America is based on my unshakable belief in what it can be; What it's capable of and what it is, if only on paper. And while I may love the possibilities, I hate with an absolute passion what it has become.

This is no idle complaint on my part. For the last twenty five-plus years, I've had to watch the socio-economic infrastucture of this once-great county fall apart because the extremist agenda of the far-right - dismissed only a generation ago as a "fringe movement" - has gone main stream.

A country full of people with no living memory of how hard things were for the average worker before the advent of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's New Deal is about to get a hard, albeit much needed history lesson. For the last quarter century, they've literally been brainwashed by the shrill voices of Hate Radio that had them actually believing that the problem with the United States were all those foolish "liberal" programs. They even have managed to turn the very word into an explative so that liberals now refer to themselves almost exculsively as "progressives".

Well now the people of the United States of America are about to find out just how "foolish" those so-called liberal programs were. By the time George W. Bush - this hideous little bastard that we so laughingly refer to as the "commander in chief" - and the tidal wave of human filth that comprised his administration are done with this country, alot of those "foolish liberal programs" like Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare will be practically worthless.

"A hard rain's 'a gonna fall"

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
tomdegan@frontiernet.net

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It's my flag, too
Posted by: Tigerbunny on Apr 24, 2006 2:42 AM   
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…"Denounce the government and embrace the flag.
Hope to live in that free republic for which it stands…"
Wendell Berry

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Power to the people
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Apr 24, 2006 3:53 AM   
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We have all experienced that patriotic innocence and most of us have also experienced the disillusionment of political reality. We now know "what should be and what is". America is a dream unfulfilled.

We live in acountry not controlled by the voters but controlled by the establishment that controls both parties with campaign contributions and million dollar lobbies. Our government doesn't represent the middle class taxpayer. We live under the tyranny of "taxation without representation". Our laws are made to benefit the rich corporatocracy. We live in a land of capitalism run amok.

Nothing will change until we the people take control of our government.

Their are four courses of action we can take. Two of them, forming a third party and reforming campaign financing, have been tried time after time and have been notoriously unsuccessful on a national level.

The third, armed rebellion, is unquestionably the worst solution. We would have working class soldiers slaughtering working class citizens.

The fourth is a grassroots movement. The labor movement, the women's sufferage movement and the civil rights movement show that the power of the people cannot be denied.

Act now. Join The Lincoln Initiative. Make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality. Click on join us today

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Fallsburg
Posted by: Urstrly on Apr 24, 2006 4:49 AM   
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Rather than get worked up about pledging the flag, maybe it's a good idea to look at Fallsburg and think a little about what creates these places. How many people there and across the nation join the armed services because there is no other work? Or because it's their only chance at a college education? And how much of the intense religious fervor in these towns comes from the lack of substance in our pop culture and well-found fear that their people are abandoned by all but God? And why do we tolerate a system of school funding that cheats both rural and inner city dwellers while rich suburban schools look like elite clubs? If I lived in Fallsburg, I might resent people with the option to live in France or Manhattan. What we need to find is a way to extend education and employment to people wherever they live. Republicans have somehow managed to convince people that if they have God, they don't need a decent education or job. If the author and her friends have any clout, they ought to petition Albany to re-open schools like Fallsburg's.

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Give your son this book:
Posted by: greentime on Apr 24, 2006 5:07 AM   
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A People's History of The United States
by Howard Zinn

Better yet, read it aloud with him.

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» RE: Give your son this book: Posted by: starvinmarvy
No wonder the right paints us as elitists.
Posted by: BenjamminH on Apr 24, 2006 5:21 AM   
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If modern science could find a way to harness the energy of smug self-satisfaction, this article could power the East Coast for a week.

I'm happy that the author can afford all the baubles that are brandied about in the article for whatever reason. But painting patriotic people as unthinking rubes only furthers the notion that progressive thinkers are elitisits in ivory towers.

Why do people revere veterans? I think the silence after the Vietnam vet's statement is less of "ostracism" than of an awkward recognition of a hard truth.

Why do people turn toward evangelism? I recently attended an evangelical service, and it felt more like a episode of Dr. Phil than a religious expereince. Religion, at its base, is no different than any coping mechanism any human being uses to get through life on this crazy planet.

However, religion, just like self-esteem, used for ignoble purposes is no virtue.

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This Article Is Depressing
Posted by: MarcGarvey on Apr 24, 2006 5:30 AM   
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I believe I can to some degree understand from whence the author comes but it's depressing hearing these kind of coming of age stories from privileged folks who, as a function of their privilege, get duped into believing lies about the country.

All the while so many millions of other folks, the ones getting stepped on their whole lives, have much deeper truths to tell. Much, much more to teach people like this author, than this author has to teach us.

But we'll never hear those stories. Only stories like this one.

And that's depressing.

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Aussie
Posted by: Aussie on Apr 24, 2006 5:44 AM   
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Thanks for this well-written article which provides a most interesting insight into your nation's mentality.
Down here in Australia (due mainly to the Hollywood influence) we've always followed the good ol' USA in so many things.
However in recent times we have become aware of the many in America who have a blind faith in Country and Creed (read Christianity) to the exclusion of all others.
It is to be hoped that the mixture of arrogance and ignorance displayed by these souls will be diluted by more thoughtful global citizens such as yourself.

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Why Americans can't stand us
Posted by: rbohan on Apr 24, 2006 5:50 AM   
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I enjoyed reading the article, but, like several other commenters, I saw more in it about why Americans have a hard time listening to us liberals. Too many of us, like Nina, come across as smug, self-righteous, patronizing (when not outright condescending), latte sipping, elitist twits. Like one commenter pointed out...book contracts, Manhatten apartments, two years in wonderful, progressive Paris then to be sentenced to spend hard time amongst the primitives and hoi polloi in upper state NY. Why it's more than a civilized progressive should ever have to bear! And Alternet, more than some other liberal blogs, seems to harbor these sorts of posts.

If more progressives would go to church, salute the flag, tell the next veteran they see, "Thank you for your service.", follow baseball, and listen to country music (I know...it's gotten pretty bad...but do it for the good of your country), we'd win a few more elections.

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These comments remind me how urgently I need to emigrate.
Posted by: wli on Apr 24, 2006 7:25 AM   
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China's less totalitarian and doesn't dump quite so many of its people in prison. Russia's more stable and democratic. Brazil's economy is at least improving and its society is more tolerant. India's better-educated and has more opportunities in the computing industry.

Europe is ruled by decree of the European Commission. Italy just managed to cast off a card-carrying member of Propaganda Due as their PM. The UK's got a Cold War domestic spy everyone hates for a PM. Whatever's going on in France doesn't look hopeful. Germany's under the thumb of a grand coalition for the expressed purposed of shutting out the left. Spain only recently gave the boot to some US puppet for a false flag attack.

As for the US, all this brownshirted "homeland" garbage doesn't even need to drop a mask to be blatantly obvious. "Pledge of Allegiance" indeed. For all this "pride in one's country" and pride in one's European ancestors, both are doing quite a bit no one should be proud of these days.

However effete the presentation, patriotism remains the last refuge of scoundrels, and far worse. Pride is called a sin for very good reasons, and the Calvinistic notion of virtue derived from identity is foremost among those reasons. It's what you do, not who you are, that makes you good or evil.

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» I need to emigrate. Posted by: Lincoln fan
you
Posted by: The Butcher on Apr 24, 2006 8:08 AM   
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are guilty of a genocide.
no matter how you spin it.
children are dying now. children like your own.
writing about it does not exculpate you.
sorry.

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» RE: you - what about you?? Posted by: Baranga
A different perspective
Posted by: scryberwitch on Apr 24, 2006 8:14 AM   
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I don't know if I was lucky, or unlucky, but I never had that patriotism instilled in me. My grandparents were Jehovah's Witnesses, and many of their close friends (including my husband's grandfather) were imprisoned during WWII because they are pacifits and will not fight in any war. They (JW's) were also being sent to the camps in Germany at the same time.
So my mother, and then myself, were raised to be much more free-thinkers. We never recited the pledge (in fact, it really creeps me out to see big crowds of people do it. Too eerily similar to the Nazi rallies). When history class taught about Christopher Columbus, I was taught about the genocide of the Native Americans. In short, I was raised by two generations of free-thinking, politically informed women. No-one can subscribe to blind patriotism under those circumstances. Patriotism is based on lies - and as one person said (I wish I could remember who this was): "Patriotism is but racism, wrapped in a flag instead of a white sheet."

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We Need Some Cheese to Go With That Whine
Posted by: NoPCZone on Apr 24, 2006 8:49 AM   
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An otherwise fine essay is lost in a sea of smug "I'm more worldly and know more than you" New Yorkerism. The essay brought to mind the famous cartoon of a New Yorker's View of the World, where 'the city' is just about all there is. I hate to tell you lady, but New York, Harvard and such places are anomalies-- not the norm by anyone's measure.

I grew up in a small Midwestern town that in many ways is similar to the place you describe. It wasn't Shangri-La, but is was a great place to grow up with a lifestyle a kid in N.Y.C. could only dream of. It was a REAL community as opposed to a zip code, where people knew each other and worked for the common good out of civic pride and a sense of community. A place where even a small kid could wander, ride a bike and play just about anywhere because it was safe and everyone know you belonged. With 2 state parks, one a beach and the other a virgin woodland, right outside town there was never a lack of things to do.

Because everybody's kids went to the Public School, the community went to great lengths to work with, be involved with and support the district. Being the opposite of New York, any adult could check out the keys to the school gyms on weekends and open them up for kids and adults to use. The community was walkable, sustainable, stable, tolerant, safe and accepting. It wasn't until later that I realized how good I had it.

The Patriotism taught in these little towns is not the spin-doctor wrap-our-issue-in-the-flag kind George W. and others pimp these days. It is a simple love of country, a remembrance of the sacrifices made by many that earned our freedom, a sense of duty to pass it on and a thankfulness for all that we have. They are not parochial, as many have filled the ranks of our armed forces in peace and in war and have seen the outside world up-close and in person.

Instead of going to plays, the community theater put on plays. Instead of paying to watch millionaires play baseball, we watched our siblings, neighbors and parents play in a variety of leagues. Instead of griping about someone else's faith, we went to events at each other's houses of worship. Small town midwestern people take their faith seriously, but equally respect the faith of others.

Small town does not have to equal backward, poor or uneducated. The sense of community is strong and the divisions not as pronounced in places without fences, doormen and gated communities. More can be accomplished over a 15 minute cup of coffee than a 6 month organized campaign in suburbia. You don't have to write a letter to the editor because you see them everyday at the grocery store, cafe or post office. The same is true of the Principal, Mayor, Fire Chief, Police Chief and others.

If you had bothered to interact more in the community you might have found yourself far more comfortable and discovered your politics were not isolated. In small towns people take their politics seriously and will listen to any well reasoned argument. Getting to know these people would have probably shown you that they are not as "Red State" as you think.

I do not hate New York, nor do I idealize small town America. I do know that in total, more people live in places like this than live in the coastal liberal enclaves and their vote counts as much as yours. These people are a lot more open to political argument and discussion than most suburban and city people and usually have a wisdom from experience that transcends what they have read or been told.

Until progressives get over their phobias and bias against people of faith and from small towns they will never carry the day. By engaging them, understanding them, mobilizing them and working with them the world can be changed.

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Two comments:
Posted by: Maryanne on Apr 24, 2006 9:32 AM   
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New York State is awash with money; the communities may be hurting, and services cut, but the state is billions in the black. No reason to close schools- or anything else in this state.

Secondly, I too, had a great love for this country. From extensive travel throughout national parks, from the books I inhaled as a child, from researching the background of my ancestors' arrival in and adjustment to this country, from my history background, and the events of World War II, a strong sense of pride and patriotism developed. It was my country, of which I was not only proud, but so grateful that my ancestors came here- maternal ones for economic advantage, paternal for political freedom. I recognized that mistakes and wrong decisions were made, but we are all human, and these can be corrected.

However this administration has sucked all the happiness and patriotism I had in being American. His total lack of compassion toward the poorer amongst us, his drive for continuing war for no reason, his dismantling what was given us by our founding fathers has changed America to something that is no longer recognizable. I sympathize with the Dixie Chicks who expressed shame. I feel this also. I also feel that we have been deprived of something that was essential to Americanism. This was stolen. And it is not fair!

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Insight into American jingoism
Posted by: DavidByron on Apr 24, 2006 9:59 AM   
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Thanks for this article. For people who don't suffer from the American desease it's always useful to try and gain some insight into American jingoism. I was aware of course that American schools continuously brainwash their captive audience from a tender age... the story still doesn't make me understand it, maybe I never will understand it.

His faith was a reminder to us that the reason we are devastated by the war in Iraq and the Bush presidency is that we too love America. We too want to believe in its potential for good and brotherhood.

See I just don't understand this one either. To me the war was bad because it killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people, destroyed their society and enslaved them. It would never have occured to me in a million years that the real reason it was bad was because it led to disillusionment among some US citizens --- in fact I would have said that was a very good thing.

Sometimes I sort of feel as if folks like the author of the piece are the children and I'm reluctantly forced into making them open their eyes and face up to the unpleasant truths: American wars didn't start with Bush.

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» RE: Insight into American jingoism Posted by: starvinmarvy
What, again?
Posted by: LynxReign on Apr 24, 2006 10:12 AM   
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How many places are you going to publish this same article? First it was on Salon. Then, when people posted negative letters about it, you posted a long complaint on HuffingtonPost. Now it is here, will you post your same complaining article on Huffington post about the letters you get here?
I'd tried to comment over on Huff, but it never went up for some reason. My post there was to point out that you come across as elitist and racist.
When my husband and I investigated, we were pleasantly surprised....Our son would be one of just twelve little white children in a sunny kindergarten class
Why the emphasis on "white"?
You look down on the community from the minute you get there and instead of talking to the principal or the teachers when you have a problem you call the ACLU. Perhaps they wouldn't have become so cold with you if the ACLU had been a last resort rather than a first.
As someone on Salon or Huffpost pointed out, and the ACLU incident emphasizes, you're a coward. When listening to the veterans, instead of applauding or standing up for the Vietnam Vet, you put your head down and hope no-one notices you. Now you come on-line and write an article about how superior you are to all these people and how you donate clothes to poor black people and your child attends school in the city now.
Perhaps you should go listen to Holiday in Cambodia by the Dead Kennedys and read your own article again.

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Stop NYRI Power Lines
Posted by: UDPC on Apr 24, 2006 10:33 AM   
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Nina:

Have you heard about the power line project threatening Narrowsburg?

Opposition Site - http://www.udpc.net and NYRI's site - http://www.nyri.us

Troy
UDPC

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depressing and reactionary
Posted by: mokidugway on Apr 24, 2006 11:28 AM   
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I just want the progressives who wrote in to criticize--really, humiliate and castigate--Nina Burleigh for expressing her views about small town patriotism are the reason I have never felt comfortable taking an active stand with progressive activists, despite the fact that I share your ethical and many of your political values.

You take someone who is essentially on your side and savage them. (For what? For drinking a particular KIND OF COFFEE. For being SMUG? Are you kidding me? If "being smug" were the real complaint, most of these articles and posts would be similarly trashed.)

At the same time, you preach self-righteously that they are not SUFFICIENTLY on your side.

Yeah, go ahead. Give yourselves big pats on the back for understanding the heartland and how "real" Americans feel. No, THAT'S not smug. THAT'S not condescending.

It's so childish and pathetic how some progressives would rather be liked by working class conservatives than New York elitists. Given the high degree of activism among progressives, it says much more about the failure of the left than the fact that wealthy New York elitists don't want to break bread with their maids and doormen.

And yes, it really comes down to wanting to be liked by--not understanding the motives of--"the people." I am the child of such people and was raised in a neigborhood with such people. Believe me, there's NOTHING subtle or mysterious going on there that requires extensive study or understanding. They are just people.

The real trick is to fool them, the way Republicans do.

Either that, or take away their television sets.

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Just a Thought on Tolerance...
Posted by: aussidawg on Apr 24, 2006 11:37 AM   
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I currently live in a small east Texas town, and prior to moving here (from a medium sized south Texas city), I had a pre-determined dislike for this buckle of the Bible Belt east Texas area. I still dislike the stong evangelical beliefs of many of the people here, but found that if I can just open my mind long enough to scratch below the religion, many of these people are just like us as far as attitudes toward the Bush administration, the lies they have perpetuated, and the Iraqi war. The editorial page is constantly publishing letters by the yocals that condemn the attacks on the Constitution, the rich squandering the poor, the lies (religious or not, people don't like being lied to by their "leaders") that flow from Bush's mouth like diarrhea, and the mounting death toll and financial cost of the war in Iraq. The nation has become so politically polarized, that it seems that one always makes the assumption that if you are conservative, you follow the rants of the extreme right, or if you are liberal or progressive, you follow the doctrine of the extreme left. If we could overcome this prejudiced attitude towards others just long enough to understand that they/we may have many more things in common than first thought, perhaps we could all join forces, thus increasing or size and effectiveness at bringing about change. Just a thought!

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Who are you to question???
Posted by: Doubtom on Apr 24, 2006 11:55 AM   
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You're the parent for beginners!

Replace his innocence with truth about our deplorable history and that should go a long way to dispel any concerns you have about intruding in his fantasy.

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Beyond all the attacks Nina
Posted by: jwg on Apr 24, 2006 2:27 PM   
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Thank you for reminding us of the death of our "patriotism", our child like love for this country that has not survived this administration.

Or has it. In the comments above I heard a great deal "Love of country" in spite of what we as a nation have done. I am reminded of a side comment made to me in 1983 in Cameroon, West Africa.

"We love Americans, it is just your government we don't care for".

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This article gives me hope.
Posted by: djtyg on Apr 24, 2006 2:58 PM   
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Not the article itself, but for the comments it generated.

I'm happy to know that progressives want to end the thumbing of noses at rural America, and seek to have a conversation with them in hopes that we can understand them, work with them, and utilize them to make this country a better place.

There are rural liberals out there. Some don't even know they are. There are those who say they're conservative because they have strong beliefs in private morality (i.e., they don't want their kids looking at porn on national t.v.) they still want good jobs, good schools for their kids, and health care for themselves and their families.

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If you want to win against the "right", here's a better way to frame all of this
Posted by: NDnative on Apr 24, 2006 4:24 PM   
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Don't talk about hating the pledge of allegiance. It only turns off readers. It's ok to talk about how the pledge of allegiance is being misused by the rightwing Taliban along with the fake "liberals" and "moderates" who don't know how to stand for anything. Just because a mis-leader and his/her minions in power misuse the pledge doesn't make it bad. We just need to turn out better leaders who will actually follow the pledge and lead our country to genuine peace and prosperity.

P.S.: The same can be said of the bible. If you're sick of bible thumpers who violate every word of the bible through their actions, get better leaders for a change who'll actually follow it peacefully.

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What if....
Posted by: 7 Levels on Apr 24, 2006 5:44 PM   
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