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No Thanks to Thanksgiving

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted November 23, 2005.


Instead, we should atone for the genocide that was incited -- and condoned -- by the very men we idolize as our 'heroic' founding fathers.
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One indication of moral progress in the United States would be the replacement of Thanksgiving Day and its self-indulgent family feasting with a National Day of Atonement accompanied by a self-reflective collective fasting.

In fact, indigenous people have offered such a model; since 1970 they have marked the fourth Thursday of November as a Day of Mourning in a spiritual/political ceremony on Coles Hill overlooking Plymouth Rock, Massachusetts, one of the early sites of the European invasion of the Americas.

Not only is the thought of such a change in this white-supremacist holiday impossible to imagine, but the very mention of the idea sends most Americans into apoplectic fits -- which speaks volumes about our historical hypocrisy and its relation to the contemporary politics of empire in the United States.

That the world's great powers achieved "greatness" through criminal brutality on a grand scale is not news, of course. That those same societies are reluctant to highlight this history of barbarism also is predictable.

But in the United States, this reluctance to acknowledge our original sin -- the genocide of indigenous people -- is of special importance today. It's now routine -- even among conservative commentators -- to describe the United States as an empire, so long as everyone understands we are an inherently benevolent one. Because all our history contradicts that claim, history must be twisted and tortured to serve the purposes of the powerful.

One vehicle for taming history is various patriotic holidays, with Thanksgiving at the heart of U.S. myth-building. From an early age, we Americans hear a story about the hearty Pilgrims, whose search for freedom took them from England to Massachusetts. There, aided by the friendly Wampanoag Indians, they survived in a new and harsh environment, leading to a harvest feast in 1621 following the Pilgrims first winter.

Some aspects of the conventional story are true enough. But it's also true that by 1637 Massachusetts Gov. John Winthrop was proclaiming a thanksgiving for the successful massacre of hundreds of Pequot Indian men, women and children, part of the long and bloody process of opening up additional land to the English invaders. The pattern would repeat itself across the continent until between 95 and 99 percent of American Indians had been exterminated and the rest were left to assimilate into white society or die off on reservations, out of the view of polite society.

Simply put: Thanksgiving is the day when the dominant white culture (and, sadly, most of the rest of the non-white but non-indigenous population) celebrates the beginning of a genocide that was, in fact, blessed by the men we hold up as our heroic founding fathers.

The first president, George Washington, in 1783 said he preferred buying Indians' land rather than driving them off it because that was like driving "wild beasts" from the forest. He compared Indians to wolves, "both being beasts of prey, tho' they differ in shape."

Thomas Jefferson -- president #3 and author of the Declaration of Independence, which refers to Indians as the "merciless Indian Savages" -- was known to romanticize Indians and their culture, but that didn't stop him in 1807 from writing to his secretary of war that in a coming conflict with certain tribes, "[W]e shall destroy all of them."

As the genocide was winding down in the early 20th century, Theodore Roosevelt (president #26) defended the expansion of whites across the continent as an inevitable process "due solely to the power of the mighty civilized races which have not lost the fighting instinct, and which by their expansion are gradually bringing peace into the red wastes where the barbarian peoples of the world hold sway."


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Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin, and the author of, most recently, The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege (City Lights, 2005).

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Great article!
Posted by: churchofone on Nov 23, 2005 2:46 AM   
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Thanks for writing about what is usually "unmentionable" - the mass slaughter of the indigenous people.

"The ends are inherent in the means"

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How about a compromise?
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Nov 23, 2005 2:57 AM   
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Teach complexities. Put energy into true atonement, not symbolic. And let people treasure the good while regretting the bad.

I want to see the indigenous people of the US treated with respect-- no more turning a blind eye to embezzlements of funds meant to help ease poverty. Bring small business loans to reservations. Make their schools the envy of other districts.

When pagents celebrate the first Thanksgiving, let them acknowlege that kindness is sometimes rewarded by cruelty.

But don't expect children to fast and to wail for deaths they had no part in.

History is meant to be learned from. No one is celebrating the later violence, rather the initial generosity of spirit. Let us celebrate Thanksgiving by being generous, and remembering our need for others generousity.

Those who want atonement, and those who want to look at a frozen snapshot of idealism, both need to see that there's worth in each other's point of view.

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there is no reason....
Posted by: crusty on Nov 23, 2005 4:18 AM   
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Why the individual cannot feel such remorse for earlier events. I have no problem with that. Howev3er I believe that Thanksgiving is about giving thanks for the blessings that have been bestowed upon us in life. Sharing a day with family or friends and refledcting upon our blessings no matter how slight they are is good and healthy. I do think we should do this every day but ..... Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday.... the food .. the family... and friends and new aquaintences getting together and celebrating life.
I understand the undertones of the first thanksgiving , but I and none of my relatives had anything to do with the genocide. Both sides of my family have some genocide perpertrated upon thier relatives and while unspoken have always taught us to give thanks for what you have. SO like I said at the begining of my post ...... It is fully in your rights to have a day of remorse, but to give up thanksgiving in my eyes is not neccessary. Ah well thats my story and I m stickin to it.

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There are nuances
Posted by: xiaogao on Nov 23, 2005 4:53 AM   
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OK, what we are really talking about here is Thanksgiving's uses as a propaganda tool in the teaching of children, right? Before having children, I would have agreed with the author wholeheartedly. Since becoming a parent, I've thought more about the issue from a young child's perspective, and come to slightly different conclusions.

The first thing I ever learned about Indians was the Thanksgiving story. At age five, in the early 1970s, this story taught me to believe that they were resourceful, noble, and benevolent, and for years I believed that Indians were generally superior to white people (in fact, I dreamed of being an Indian for years). Later, I WAS taught about the horrors that had been visited upon Indians, and if anything those early myths made that story even more devastating. When, in college, I saw a documentary about uranium mining on Indian land, I don't recall being resistant to its anti-imperialism on the grounds that some Indians and Englishmen had shared a friendly meal 350 years ago.

I grew up celebrating Thanksgiving in the traditional way. So did virtually everyone I knew (and so, I imagine, did the author). And yet, somehow, I (and most of my friends and relatives) managed to arrive at the same conclusions about the evils of American empire. What children take away from the Thanksgiving story is that here is an instance in which people of one culture were generous to people of another culture; that traditional, non-white societies have skill and knowledge that is valuable and important; that early Americans needed help and were not omnipotent. It is not a xenophobic myth -- it is a tale that's profoundly generous in spirit.

I can guarantee that teaching a six year-old this positive lesson -- and gradually introducing the darker truths as she gains the ability to actually make sense of them -- will be far more effective in producing future lefties than browbeating her with images of genocide and starving her all day.

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What's the point?
Posted by: mmike87 on Nov 23, 2005 5:21 AM   
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Sure, it's important that we recognize history as it truly happened. However, I am tired of people applying today's morality to the events of 300 years ago. It's a silly exercise and is totally meaningless.

Anyone who thinks that if they had lived 300 years ago that they for certain would live, act, and think the same way they do now has their head in the sand. It's very likely that any one of us could have been on the forefront of the "Crush the Indians" movement. Who knows?

The fact is that regardless of how things went down in colonial America - none of us would likely exist had events not occured as they did. I am certainly not going to apologize for my existance.

I'm part American Indian. But you don't see me crying over the past. Two cultures collided and the strongest culture won. That's nature's way. Always has been, always will be.

Get over it.

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Genocide and slavery
Posted by: wbblack on Nov 23, 2005 5:44 AM   
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Genocide and slavery are the economic “ Plymouth Rock” of the U.S economy. Throw in the indentured servitude of some Europeans and you have the essence of what the U.S. is all about. This crap about great white men who did great white deeds to build a great white world sickens and enrages me. I had to unlearn all this stuff to come to some understanding of why it seemed that such a small number of untalented parasites had so much and the rest of us had squat. I blamed myself and my family. False history does great, emotional, economic and spiritual damage to us all. The U.S is the greatest terrorist nation on the planet. It’s the most racist country in the world and with the possible exception of the years when the Nazis controlled Germany, it is probably the most racist nation or empire in recorded history. The genocide of Native peoples on this continent was a dispicable act done by despicable people. The enslavement of Africans fascism, most foul.

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A Caricature of Itself
Posted by: Grumpy Old Man on Nov 23, 2005 5:46 AM   
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On reading this article, I first surmised that it was an attempt at satire -- a caricature of a victimologist, politically correct academic. As they say, if he didn't exist, we would have to invent him.

But I think the author takes himself seriously. So sad.

The picture he paints of the interaction between Europeans and Indians is highly oversimplified. The main factor in the decline of the Indian population was epidemics of European diseases, to which the Indian population had little resistance.

Not to suggest there's nothing embarassing in our history or our conduct with the Indians -- who also were not innocent victims.

The hysterical breast-beating hatred of his own people that the author presents is, however, bizarre. I am thankful that he is free to publish this nonsense, although not necessarily that the taxpayers of Texas get to subsidize him. And I wonder if he's ever met an Indian, as opposed to congratulating himself on how virtuous his attitude is.

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Don't replace; add
Posted by: Jim on Nov 23, 2005 6:11 AM   
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As one who homeschools my children, with Zinn's People's History of the United States as our main history text, I agree that a National Day of Atonement is a valuable idea.

My family does not observe Indepence Day, Memorial Day, or Veterans Day. But I agree with xiaogao that there are valuable lessons in the traditional Thanksgiving myth.

For my, my family, and my church, Thanksgiving is not a time to celebrate that myth, but for giving thanks. There is much evil in this world to fight and to atone for, but there is much good to be thankful for too. A time to give thanks for all that is so good is an important balance to always focusing on the bad.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

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A Historical note to all the above posters
Posted by: sausage on Nov 23, 2005 6:13 AM   
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It seems that Adolph Hitler admired white America's treatment of Indians.
"Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the efficiency of America's extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity." P. 202, "Adolph Hitler" by John Toland

I can relate
Posted by: Dave04 on Nov 23, 2005 6:13 AM   
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I've attempted to discuss the issue of Columbus Day and Thanksgiving in my classes and found that students, even then ones who usually say nothing, will speak up and claim that it would be a tragedy to do away with either. Then I ask: What if you were a Native American? How would you feel about Thanksgiving then? The usually admit they wouldn't like it, but will take no further leap in thought. No one is saying that people shouldn't get together with their family, but people shouldn't need a national holiday for that.

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Thanksgiving
Posted by: nubian on Nov 23, 2005 6:15 AM   
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The Pilgrims came here in peace, to find a new way of life. The indians did not "own" the land. They were more or less nomads, moving about from place to place. If powerful or numerous enough, they simply massacred any person or group who occupied land they wanted. They hunted an area empty, then moved on. That was their "ecology." When the Pilgrims came, they were eventually attacked by the indians, as soon as the indians figured out they were vulnerable. The Pilgrims and early settlers fought back, and finally had to nearly annihilate these warlike, violent groups. We are facing a situation with Islam which is in some ways similar. Unless we annihilate Islamofascism, we, or what is left of "us," will eventually be governed by them. Then we'll see how many dissenting blogs like Alternet will be permitted.

I wonder if the editors of this Blog will find this content "innappropriate" because it doesn't share the prevailing local delusions.

The image of the indians as peaceful nature loving people is a fraud. They were mostly warlike killers who lived by the sword, who came here in the first place by violently displacing whoever was here before them.

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Give Thanksing...
Posted by: jefhadist on Nov 23, 2005 6:17 AM   
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Is is possible to atone for acts of genocide committed before your birth with any meaningful result? Are the "sins of the fathers" currently being visited down to the seventh generation? Have we forgot to teach our children the whole truth and nothing but the truth ... just to spare them pain? I remember being shocked and awakened into another understanding when my Native American Studies professor, Sarah Hutchison at UCD described her fasting on Thanksgiving every year. Her family would gorge but she would refrain from food to re-member, to help put back into focus the awful truths of the "Trail of Tears," genocide, forced sterilizations, boarding schools, loss of spirituality/languages and all the documented and undocumented abuse that continues to this day. And isn't that the point? IT CONTINUES even to this day in various and nefarious ways. That's what we should be thankful for. That we can still do something about it....to heal this land and the relationships among all creation.

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History and Hysteria
Posted by: wilburnwilliams on Nov 23, 2005 6:19 AM   
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Everyone who wades in on the annual debate about Thanksgiving should be required to brush up on a little history before logging onto their PC's. According to Charles C. Mann's exhilarating and enlightening new book "1491," 90-112 million people, more than in Europe and one-fifth of the world population total, lived in the Americas when Columbus arrived. A century and a half later, they numbered 10-12 million.

This is the greatest demographic catastrophe in history, dwarfing the Black Death. And this tidal wave of mortality generated another tragedy: the slave trade brought millions of my people from Africa to replace the Indians who died. Smallpox probably was the main culprit, and the vast majority of indigenous Americans who perished did so, peace to Brother Jensen, long before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, or Plymouth Rock landed on the Pequots.

The bitter truth is that, given the immunological profile of Native Americans and the diseases they confronted, the greatest demographic disaster in history was probably unavoidable. Europeans, only a little less so than Indians, were ignorant of the causes of the havoc Europe's invasion wrought. It is easy to forget that Robert Koch's germ theory of disease was formulated only 130 years ago. Vaccination was introduced in the West only in 1796, long after the smallpox devil had done its work on Native Americans.

But as Mann points out in his sophisticated discussion of this and other sensitive issues in his fine book, ignorance of germ theory may alleviate the guilt of Europeans, but it does not relieve them of their responsibility for the massive destruction of New World people and the consequences that flowed in its wake, consequences which we have the power to ameliorate today. It is unfortunate that the deeply informed and subtly nuanced intelligence that shapes Mann's reading of this tragic history will be little in evidence, either on the airwaves or in cyberspace, this holiday weekend. Before the annual orgy of sadistic recrimination and masochistic self-flagellation begins, however, I hope that readers of this message will take time to read Mann's book. Failing that, they should read William H. McNeill's penetrating review of "1491" in the December 1, 2005 issue of "The New York Review of Books," available in bookstores, libraries and homes where civil discussion of complex tragedies is prized.

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Let Us Give Thanks
Posted by: Lulu Gee on Nov 23, 2005 6:27 AM   
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While I appreciate Robert Jensen's effort to quicken our consciousness of the genocide committed by european invaders on this continent and the need for acts of atonement, I do not agree that Thanksgiving should be forsaken and used as that day of atonement. One reason being that our conception of the thanksgiving of the pirgrim-invaders is mythical, in that is is cut off from its roots (perhaps pre-christian) in England.
When I lived in England, I was surpirsed to find that the Church of England also celebrates Thanksgiving. It is connected to the harvest and is, perhaps, the only sincere ritual left in Christendom; but that may be because it predates the arrival of chiritianity in England.
As practiced in England, it is the only time of the year where people simply give thanks for what they have and refrain from asking for more or dwelling on their own shortcomings. It is a beautiful ritual where parishioners bring to the alter, fruits of the harvest as offerings and sing the praises of life on planet earth.
Giving thanks without thought of the enormity of our sins (indivudual or communal) is humbling as it returns us toward our dependence on so many elements (mineral, vegetable, animal) of life in our environments.
Yes I know we have gotten very far away from that sense of the holiday, but I think that we need to have days of thanksgiving as well as days of atonement and Thanksgiving can help us bring back awareness of ourselves as connected to one another through our dependance on earthly bounty.

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HFV
Posted by: HFV on Nov 23, 2005 6:27 AM   
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I, too, thought this might be an attempt at satire. Not so.

Ponder this: What if this country had not been invaded by Bible thumpimg European white men? What would have been the fate of the indigenous peoples? What examples can we look to today of an indigenous people who have survived intact?
China? Not a pretty story there

Parts of northern South America? Not a good example I suppose because they exist only under the security umbrellla of the US.

Parts of central Africa? I think I would prefer to have taken my chances in China.

Frankly, the indigenous tribes of North America, in spite of their indisputable suffering, have fared better than any indigenous people I can think of. So the European white faced Bible thumpers created a society that, although not perfect (and nothing is perfect), eventually accomodated the indigenous tribes better than any other society on earth.

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Take a moment and look around....
Posted by: bettsoff on Nov 23, 2005 6:31 AM   
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It's very interesting to read the many different interpretations of the Pilgrim-Invader/Indian-Native interactions. History is in the eye of the beholder.

agitator church and state
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The Indigenous HOPI People Offer the USA the DECLARATION OF PEACE
Which begins:

"It is in the Power of the True Hopi People to unify the minds and spirits of all true peace seeking peoples of the earth..."Hopi" means "Peaceful People"... and the truest and greatest power is the strength of Peace...because Peace is the Will Of The Great Spirit..."

In 2001 we began The United Nations International Decade of Creating a Culture of Peace and Nonviolence for the Children of The World.

This Christmas Morning at First Light will be the first [annual?] Interfaith Bethlehem to Jerusalem Prayer Circle and Peace Walk for All the Children of The World

We walkers come from all faiths and are united with the Spiritual Wisdom of the:
"True Hopi People who know how to show to all the world's Children the True Way of Life by setting an example...by working and communicating in a way that reaches the minds and hearts of all people who are truly seeking the methods of a simple and spiritual Life which is the only Life that will survive...

read more on WAWA:
www.wearewideawake.org

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Thanksgiving is for giving thanks
Posted by: artytheonemanparty on Nov 23, 2005 6:57 AM   
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How could you continue to live in such a country?

If I believed as you do, I would have emmigrated.

Any chance I could convince you to do so?

Are you compelled to stay in a country founded by people you accuse of genocide? By staying and enjoying the benefits of their genocide are you not an accomplice after the fact?

I know you don't believe what you claim. If you were sincere, you would give any land you own to the descendants of native Americans and move away.

The only atonement I commemorate is the solemn atonement of Jesus Christ for the sins of the world.

This Thanksgiving, I will be shooting my assault weapons, enjoying a delicious meal, visiting my loved-ones, and saying prayers of thanks to my Father in heaven for the blessings of liberty.

May the Lord bless and keep you...far away from me.

Arty

No thanks--to articles like yours
Posted by: Kristy on Nov 23, 2005 7:37 AM   
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Feel free to atone, sad white-guilt purveyors. Fast, give away your land, moan, groan, and weep and cry. Get it out, get over Gore's loss and Kerry's loss, and your loss. If you hate this country sooo much, leave it. Sure, you are free to whine all you want but it's a real downer for the rest of us. I have native American blood coming from all directions in my family and my husband does as well. My grandfather was 1/2 Cherokee and my grandmother was descended from Seminoles. I HAVE cried over what was done in the US hundreds of years ago. But it has happened all over the globe for tens of thousands of years--is everyone to atone? How far back shall we go? Shall HUNgarians atone for what Attila the Hun did? What about Arab terrorists--should they atone for what they did yesterday? I shudder to think that anyone is teaching this class A junk to our children. The world has good and the world has evil. Move on.

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Who owes who?
Posted by: g.quinn on Nov 23, 2005 7:40 AM   
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The people who invaded North America from Asia, and who now proclaim themselves “indigenous,” owe attonement for fate they inflicted on the Clovis. And we all owe attonement to the Neanderthal. The only indigenous people are Africans. Everyone else is a migrant.

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Yes, giving thanks "I am not like others" is perverse
Posted by: Sojourner on Nov 23, 2005 7:51 AM   
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But gratitude can be a genuine expression of humility and acceptance.

The genocide of indigenous peoples in the so-called New World shows how deep the roots of warfare go for those of us whose ancestors came from Europe. That native peoples could not understand the ferocity of the invaders except as insanity is well documented. The waves of slavery imposed on the people have left all of us marked.

However, I am not aware that anyone seriously denies that history. It would be well if we acknowledged it along with our self-celebrations. But the real issue is the extent to which we perpetuate our self-serving exploitation.

Ask Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro or the third world countries that we dominate economically. The irony of the Iraq War is that our failure there has distracted us and given Central and South America a bit of breathing room to find their own way.

Isn't always a question whether you look at the cloud or the silver lining?

In My Humble Opinion...
Posted by: cstriker on Nov 23, 2005 7:51 AM   
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the author is somewhat deluded. Much of what he says about the history around Thanksgiving is true. However, he seems to lack an understanding of the purpose of the holiday. For some it may have involved genocide, but for most Thanksgiving is simply a day of giving thanks for a bountiful harvest or just for being alive.

I am part Cherokee (I think it was my great-great grandfather), and the rest is European. But does it really matter at this point in history. Oh, I do think the genocide that occurred in the Americas is abhorrent, but that has nothing to do with my idea of Thanksgiving. You want to attone for the failings of people past, great! Personally, I feel that we should be looking forward. We succeed together as a society or we fail together as individuals.

Failure to remember history does doom us to repeat it. Instead of doing away with a holiday that is designed for giving thanks of life, bounty, or anything else why don't we just work on teaching the truth of history (world wide) and continue giving thanks? What does Thanksgiving mean to you? Are you aware of the genocidal history of the world?

History or not, we still have to live together. And frankly, I am still thankful to have family, friends, a roof, and the like. So why shouldn't I be able to celebrate that?

Besides, how do you attone for the history of the dead? Isn't the ideal just to work towards everyone being fed, clothed, and having health care? This author is doing good by trying to express truth, but I think he used a very poor approach.

memetic
Posted by: jpinder on Nov 23, 2005 7:56 AM   
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I feel thanksgiving is no longer about a historical event, it’s more like a family reunion day, no one really sits at the table and talk or even think of pilgrims.

I wish they would stop the tradition of turkey eating, too many of these animals are killed but not consumed.

Happy Thanksgiving
Posted by: DFrost on Nov 23, 2005 7:56 AM   
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People came to this country seeking religious freedom. Ultimately, they found it. No, they weren't perfect (no more, I suppose, than those they displaced), but they had grit and determination, and, ultimately, they succeeded, leaving us heirs to the greatest and most powerful nation that has ever existed. More than that, they have left us heirs to a belief in justice that, bluster and hype aside, the author of this article tries to express. Eschew their errors, drone on about their shortcomings, lionize those they vanquished, but never forget their greatness.

Happy Thanksgiving to all, and God bless America!

spread the word
Posted by: pony on Nov 23, 2005 7:59 AM   
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word of mouth and general consensus can replace miseducation. most people i know repeat what they hear, not what they were taught. it's all education. just be sure to use a non-threatening tone, that would put someone's belief structure on the defense. it's gonna take time, but spread the word. boycott traditional fake patriotic holidays!

thank you!
Posted by: jheydtne on Nov 23, 2005 8:09 AM   
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As a ninth grade American History teacher in a public school which is located in a very politically conservative (How conservative? Well, over the protests of teachers and students our school district celebrates Columbus Day . . . but does not celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday!) area of the United States . . . I want to thank you for your article! I will certainly use it as part of my let's-get-an-honest-perspective curriculum.

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same old stuff, different day
Posted by: native woman on Nov 23, 2005 8:16 AM   
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I am a Native woman, and have listened to White America's defensive Master Narrative all my life. Notice I do not say that I am (a) part Native American, (b) part Cherokee and part something else, or (c) an American. I am a citizen of my Indigenous Nation, and find those commentors who referred to themselves as "part Native American" or "part Cherokee (or any other tribe)" and whose message was basically "Get Over It," quite offensive. Offensive because you are obviously ignorant about your Native blood and culture, because if you had grown up in your Native culture you would never refer to yourselves as "part Native American" or anything else. You would identify with your Indigenous Nation, and you would never say "Get Over It," when referring to the intergenerational holocaust perpetuated on Native peoples in this country.

I'm not surprised at the majority of messages generated by this article: most Americans are not ready to really look in the mirror and get honest about was has been done, and what continues to be done, to the people whose homelands you are in. So you deny, obfuscate, lie, call names, demean and even glory in your government's genocidal history. Go ahead - it doesn't make Native people look bad when you do that - you only make yourselves look bad. And a final note to the person who said we migrated here like everyone else: you don't know what you're talking about. But I do: I am a member of an Indigenous culture that is thousands and thousands of years old, and I know exactly where my people emerged from, and it was right here in our homelands, and not from some place far away and over the waters, like you. Get over it.

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