Home
Archive
Columnists
Video
Blogs
Discuss
About
Search
Donate
Advertise
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Advertisement
Register to Vote: Rock the Vote, powered by Working Assets Wireless
Advertisement
  • AlterNetYour turn

Support AlterNet
Do you value the information you're getting from AlterNet? Please show your support with a tax-deductible donation.


Feedback
Tell us how we're doing.

Manners and Morons

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted July 29, 2005.


The White House is shielding Roberts' public record, and now he's conveniently 'forgotten' his involvement with the ultra-right-wing Federalist Society.

Share and save this post:
Digg iconDelicious iconReddit iconFark iconYahoo! iconNewsvine! iconFacebook iconNewsTrust icon

More stories by Molly Ivins

Get AlterNet in
your mailbox!

 
Advertisement

Sheesh, all I knew about John Roberts was that everyone says he has lovely manners -- and already I was prepared to be against him. Knee-jerk liberal? No, congratulations to the White House, Sen. John Cornyn, Fred Thompson and everyone else involved in "managing" Roberts' confirmation process. Can't these people do anything without being devious about it?

My first reaction to Roberts was: "Sounds like that's about as good as we can get. Quick, affirm him before they nominate Bork, Bolton or Pinochet." A conservative with good manners and no known nutball decisions or statements on his record? Hey, take him. At least he's not (whew!) a member of the Federalist Society.

No such luck. Cornyn, who I would have sworn is not this stupid, apparently signed off on having the nominee "forget" he was a member of the Federalist Society, and Roberts obliged, which is strange considering his reputation for brilliance and a spectacular memory.

Turns out the guy is listed in the society's 1997-98 "Leadership Directory" as a member of its steering committee in Washington. How many steering committees have you been on that you've forgotten about?

The reason that matters is that the Federalist Society is the alpha-primo ultraconservative legal group in the whole country. Since we have only two years worth of Roberts' decisions on the bench (in itself unheard of for nominations to the Supremes), the information about how this society plans to steer the country can be very revealing of his positions.

So Roberts already looks disingenuous at best, and then the White House up and decides it's entirely too risky to let the public in on his record as a government lawyer and refuses to release documents requested.

Excuuuuuse me, that is public record. Roberts worked for us, he was paid by the taxpayers, this is not a matter of national security. Where does this White House get off pulling this kind of stuff? Right away, it looks like they're trying to cover something up. Lawyer-client privilege? Are they nuts? Everyone's first reaction is, so what's he guilty of?

As Jay Leno notes, this is an important job -- these are the people who pick the president. Of course we're entitled to know what the man's public record is.

So, now all we know about John Roberts is that he has nice manners and is being managed by a bunch of morons -- and he's willing to say what they spin for him. Then we start getting the record. He's defended the often violent Operation Rescue. He went to Florida to advise Jeb Bush during the 2000 election recount. Other Federalists, Timothy Flanigan (who's now in confirmation hearings for deputy attorney general) and Ted Olson (who became solicitor general of the United States) signed onto the brief to convince the Supremes to stop the count in Florida and install Bush. It's all classic, right-wing judicial activism -- the very "activism" they complain bitterly about if it doesn't fit their radical agenda.

Restrict the right of courts to end school segregation, slow down on enforcing laws against discrimination, divest lower courts of jurisdiction over school prayer cases, go easy on Title IX for women and so on. All that was when Roberts was a junior White House lawyer and the records were opened during the Clinton administration. The records from his time as assistant solicitor general during Bush I are what they're trying to keep under wraps.

The Wall Street Journal's editorial page (the People Who Don't Read Their Own Paper) tried to describe the Federalist Society as an anodyne debating society. No, it is not -- it is a radical right organization, which explains why the White House made calls to national media to deny that Roberts was a member.

Jerome Shestack, president of the American Bar Association in 1998, said, "So much of the society's leadership consists of active politicians and others whose slouching toward extremism is self-proclaimed."

The society is funded by millions of dollars from right-wing and libertarian foundations. It attempts to influence legal education and works with right-wing legal advocacy and litigation organizations.

Alfred Ross, of the Institute of Democracy Studies, explains that "through its own 15 practice groups, the society is busy developing new legal theories for every area of American jurisprudence, from civil rights law to national security law, international law, securities regulations law and so on. And if one goes through the publications of their practice groups, one can only gasp not only at the breadth of their agenda, but the extremism of their ideology."

The society has argued for the abolition of the Securities and Exchange Commission, severely limiting the Environmental Protection Agency, and rolling back gender equity laws (Title IX) and voting rights law. Its publications have criticized teaching evolution and attacked the principle of separation of church and state.

According to Ross, they recently launched a state judicial selection project to try to dominate the state, as well as federal, bench. This is all standard, ultra-right-wing claptrap. It's all about control.

If we can't shake loose the actual records on John Roberts, we certainly should pay attention to the group he's most identified with.

Digg!

Molly Ivins writes about politics, Texas and other bizarre happenings.

Liked this story? Get top stories in your inbox each week from AlterNet! Sign up now »


Advertisement

 

Comments Turn comments off sitewide Give us feedback »
Comments closed.
The comments for this story have been closed. Thank you to everyone who participated.
View:
R.I.P.
Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 29, 2005 1:55 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Rest In Peace
The United States of America
1776 A. D.-2000 A.D.

Mortally wounded 1980 A.D.
Survived by its offspring The Empire of America
Remembered for its two great accomplishments:
(1) Landing man on the moon and
(2) Invention of Constitutional Democracy / The U.S. Constitution / U.S. Bill of Rights

"Justice Roberts" is just the latest American (oxy)moron and the latest verse in the post-mortum.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: .I.P. Posted by: ariespeacefulwarrior1
Call me a sucker!
Posted by: Urstrly on Jul 29, 2005 3:21 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Thank you, Molly! I can't believe I'm such a sucker for good manners and phony humility. Maybe it's because so many folks at the White House seem to have lost theirs, but I couldn't help but think how much more "natural" Roberts looked than W. Who were we Democrats expecting, David Boies? The guy looked passable to me, and unfortunately to a lot of Democrats, who seem to be saying it's a done deal. Let's save the filibuster for bigger things. Like what? Pinochet? I like that.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Has Molly gone too far?
Posted by: murph on Jul 29, 2005 4:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Molly, I think you(as many other jounalists) know that the White House stated (off the record) that "Pinocet didn't even make the short list". Although a Bush favorite, KKK. Rove (AKA Turd Blossom) advised the President that "Pinocet's health was too fragile" for him to consider a nomination at this time. Come on Molly!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

If Bush Wants Him...
Posted by: paulaH on Jul 29, 2005 4:28 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
My first reaction was also that this guy seemed relatively mild compared to others that might have been named. Was W actually doing something to appease us? Or at least put us off our guard by appointing ONE person that might not be out to gut the Constitution in the name of King George and his right hand man, Jesus?

Then my brain kicked in. My second thought was that if Georgie wanted him, we really needed to dig deeper to find out what is wrong with him. There is no way Dubya would appoint someone whose head wouldn't be far up his and his cronies' butts. It was a smart move, though--which means Dubya didn't think of it--to nominate a man that had no real record to PROVE he was solidly on the Bush cheerleader squad. People might actually relax.

Their big mistake was in everyone saying this man was "very nice and polite with lovely manners" (paraphrasing here). Hmmm. Kind of like when someone setting you up for a blind date says, "he/she has a great personality." You gotta wonder what kind of dog they're trying to hoist off on you. Well, it looks like this dog has much bigger fangs than what the Repugnantans are trying to make us think he has. And it looks like he bites.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Meet your new masters
Posted by: guess on Jul 29, 2005 5:34 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Don't forget that the White House,much of the Justice Department,and the Senate (Hatch and McConnell are just two) are infested with Federalist Society jerks. In fact,Viet Dinh was heavily involved in writing the unPatriot Act and his kindred spirit,John Yoo, played a big role in the torture memos that gutted domestic statutes and international laws and treaties prohibiting torture. Google the names and see how proud these creeps are of their handiwork.

Check out the Washington Post article denying Roberts' Federalist Sociey membership:following is an excerpted comment from the smarmy Viet Dinh.

"That's a good question, let me think. Now that you mention it -- no," was former Bush Justice Department official Viet Dinh's response when asked if he had ever spotted Roberts at any Federalist events.

A related question is why Roberts would not want to be a member.

Some conservatives said that a Federalist affiliation, while a definite plus within Bush administration circles, could only provoke hostile questions from Senate Democrats -- so Roberts, in keeping with his low-key approach to conservatism, just steered clear.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/
article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002431.html

And see Jerry Landay's article from the March 2000 edition of the Washington Monthly for background on this "cabal" as Federalist Society members called themselves.

"The Society¹s origins can be traced back to 1979--the year before Ronald Reagan¹s victory--when a legal scholar named Michael Horowitz published a tract on the public-interest law movement, exhorting conservatives to overturn a half-century of liberal dominance of the legal establishment. This could be done, he wrote, by indoctrinating or winning over succeeding generations of law students, lawyers, and judges. By definition, the campaign had to be rooted in the fertile ground of law schools. To Horowitz¹s good fortune, Reagan was elected in 1980, and his administration set to work filling the sails of the Federalist movement."

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/
features/2000/0003.landay.html

The Great Prevaricator's legacy (Reagan's) lives on.

Sorry for the broken links. This board limits words to 40 spaces.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Meet your new masters Posted by: guess
S...JIM...RODRIGUEZ...THE ECLECTICIST
Posted by: SJR505 on Jul 29, 2005 6:03 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
THE REALITY IS THAT BUSH 43 HAD THE CAHUNAS TO SELECT A "WASP", A YES WASP FOR THE SUPREMES...HOW ABOUT THAT???
REMEMBER THE WASP, CONSERVATIVE AXIOM : " WOMEN, CHILDREN, AND NOW LABELED MINORTIES(whoever they are??) should be seen, but not heard..."
so "keep on keeping on..."

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Michele
Posted by: michele0726 on Jul 29, 2005 6:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
As a woman I admit being less and less comfortable with life in these United States. Now that a woman's right to privacy is going into the dustbin of history I am more uncomfortable. As with all rights, once it becomes acceptable to restrict any rights more restrictions also become more acceptable. I do not want to be in a place so willing to give up rights. The only problem is where to go. Maybe Canada still has some room.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Michele Posted by: Gaseyd
» RE: Michele Posted by: michele0726
» RE: Michele Posted by: jaymar2
» RE: Michele Posted by: altere
I wish he was replacing Ginsberg!!!!
Posted by: sensitiveguy on Jul 29, 2005 7:43 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Im tired of liberal judicial activism on the supreme court. Its time to abolish the lefts last playground and reduce the power of such ridiculous organizations as the aclu, Now, Nea, Greenpeace, epa, ....etc etc etc. Im tired of people who cant win at the ballot box pushing there left wing agenda down Americas throat. Maybe we will get lucky and he will have one or 2 more4 nominations and replace Ginsberg, Kennedy, or Souter. Good day!!
Your favorite conservative!!!
Sensitiveguy!!!!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: I wish he was replacing Ginsberg!!!! Posted by: Merchant_Of_Menace
Roberts and Arbitration
Posted by: AmericanVictim on Jul 29, 2005 8:02 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Another problem with Roberts is his pro-arbitration stance.

Many consumers don't realize that when we enter into a contract with ccorporations for services, from cable television to credit card companies to telephone services, we have waived our right to trial when we have signed those contracts.

Most arbitrators get the bulk of their business from repeat customers, the corporations themselves, and therefore favor the corporate interests during the arbitration process. Therefore the arbitrators browbeat the consumers into relenting.

Guess what? You never have an opportunity to litigate your issue before the courts.

It's a corrupt deprivation of our constitutional rights, it's been going on for some time now, and Roberts' attorney experience reveals that he favors the arbitration process over our constitutional rights to trial.

in his capacity as Attorney, Roberts has worked hard to erode the Americans with Disabilities Act, and other labor issues, he has worked to reduce federal spending on abortion clinics, and as Deputy Solicitor General, he has signed up the American government as Amicus Curiae for abortion and other right wing issues before the Supreme Court.

Quoted in "Legal Times," Roberts says, "private litigants in the Supreme Court gain significant advanctage when the United States supports their position as Amicus Curiae."

Yep, Roberts just has a face of innocence but underneath that innocent little ol baby face is the sinister workings of a cog in the corporation steamroll over us Americans.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Say goodbye to the U.S.
Posted by: packofwolves on Jul 29, 2005 8:47 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How is it that we are letting Bush and his cronies pull this crap? If we don't stop this administration from the destructive and backwards path they have us on, the next thing they're going to try and do is nullify the two-terms rule for the presidency and get this clown-or should I say criminal-re-elected so he can work towards being the dictator that he set out to be. Don't enough people see the dark side of the Bush group? Why are we all sitting back letting the likes of these guys destroy our country and kill our kids. I think it's time we put Bush and his cronies in their place and let them see that we don't like being dictated to...

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

"Vast right wing conspiracy"
Posted by: flipperty on Jul 29, 2005 8:53 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Remember how Hillary was pilloried for using that phrase?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: "Vast right wing conspiracy" Posted by: Bob Doublin
» RE: "Vast right wing conspiracy" Posted by: sensitiveguy
» RE: "Vast right wing conspiracy" Posted by: Merchant_Of_Menace
"Evil Begats Evil"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 29, 2005 8:59 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It just keeps a-gettin' better, doesn't it? Another conservative, anti-rights, inexperienced sleazeball with an amiable facade, finds himself about to be appointed into a position of supreme power in our government, completely outside of the will of a majority of The People, and with the ability to alter the Law of the Land without significant opposition. Sound familiar?

Buh-bye, America, buh-bye: at least we can say we knew you when.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

The ENRONization of America continues ...
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 29, 2005 9:35 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
even as it won't be long before the media bills him as "moderate".

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Gee, What Could Possibly Be Wrong With Roberts?
Posted by: thirdmg on Jul 29, 2005 9:36 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
According to all the TV news reports I've seen (which is where most Americans get their news), the worst that can be said about Roberts is that he's a really nice guy who has really cute children. Now, what could be more important than that for deciding on a Supreme Court nominee?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

I just found an interesting article on how to defeat Roberts
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 29, 2005 9:50 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How to Actually Defeat John Roberts & Not Just Whine About Him

David Sirota is a Montanan more of us could learn a lot from just like we could learn from Lakoff of CA and Thomas Frank of KS.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

MOLLY IVINS FOR PRESIDENT,2008!!!!
Posted by: Bob Doublin on Jul 29, 2005 10:07 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Come on folks.Let's jump on the bandwagon here.We have just under 3 years to build momentum.If a has been actor in the early stages of Alzheimer's can do it,why can't a smart,CARING,funny,plain speaking REAL Texan do it also?Someone who actually STUDIED while in college.Someone who has actually worked for a living.Someone who has actually had to worry a little about health insurance while battling a disease.

MOLLY IVINS FOR PRESIDENT,2008!!!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: MOLLY IVINS FOR PRESIDENT,2008!!!! Posted by: Merchant_Of_Menace
» Broad? Posted by: HeidiLockwood
Wolf in sheep's clothing and selective memory
Posted by: guess on Jul 29, 2005 10:28 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Lo and behold,Tom Engelhardt has just posted an article on John Roberts and his pro bono role for GWB in the 2000 presidential election recount.

"Caputo tracked down Ted Cruz, a policy advisor to the Bush election campaign in 2000, now the Texas solicitor general. It seems that, unlike every other Republican connected to the Florida events, Cruz still had his memory miraculously intact and so told Caputo that "Roberts was one of the first names he thought of while he and another attorney drafted the Republican legal dream team of litigation ‘lions' and ‘800-pound gorillas,' which ultimately consisted of 400 attorneys in Florida." As it happens, among all those attorneys, Roberts should have proved reasonably unforgettable. After all, Caputo writes, "[s]oon after getting the call from Cruz, Roberts traveled from his Washington office at Hogan & Hartson to Tallahassee to lend advice and help polish legal briefs. Later, Roberts [who had much experience arguing before the Supreme Court] participated in a dress rehearsal to prepare the Bush legal team for the U.S. Supreme Court... [He was] legal consultant, lawsuit editor and prep coach for arguments before the nation's highest court, according to the man who drafted him for the job."

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?emx=x&pid=9053

Additionally,as a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals,Roberts recently concurred in a ruling that deep-sixed the Geneva Conventions and overturned the constitutional guarantee of due process. In other words,Precious Leader makes his own set of rules at whim.

http://www.journalnet.com/articles/2005/07/29/opinion/

opinion03.txt

"Keeping the Conventions broadly applicable to our enemies is so important to the welfare of our own troops that a group of highly distinguished retired military generals and admirals filed an amicus brief on Hamdan's behalf. In the brief, the retired officers noted that the administration's "crimped reading" of the Conventions "BEARS A DISTURBING RESEMBLANCE TO THE INTERPRETATION OF PREDECESSOR CONVENTIONS ADOPTED BY NAZI GERMANY. Exploiting 'technicalities' and 'ambiguities' in the 1929 Conventions, the Nazis refused to afford POW status to soldiers of occupied countries, arguing that those prisoners were no longer soldiers of any existing state."

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Why all the whining?
Posted by: jbeeso on Jul 29, 2005 11:16 AM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Judge Roberts should be evaluated on his merits as a supreme court justice, and then the senate should vote on whether to confirm him. That is what our constitution (the U.S. Constitution--remember it?) tells us to do.

While Senate democrats are on record as stating that the Senate procedural filibuster preserves checks and balances--which it certainly does not--advice sought by and given to our president certainly does. This goes right to the heart of checks and balances, and that is why no other administration in history has been asked to fork over to the Senate memoranda, emails, notes, etc to support a supreme court nominee. And by the way, having a personal bias, or *gasp* BELIEF, on ANY subject should not be disqualifying for a spot on the Supreme Court--only whether a potential judge can put personal beliefs aside and issue rulings based on law and, ultimately, our Constitution.

Witch-hunts are undignified, and the fact that the democratic Senators are asking for thousands and thousands MORE pages than the administration has already provided indicates how desperately these folks are combing through the career and background of someone who appears to be an extremely talented attorney and judge. As for the Federalist Society pseudo-issue, hello? Remember Justice Ginsburg? Former legal counsel for the ACLU? How do YOU define radical?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: Why all the whining? Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Why all the whining? Posted by: bluegull
» RE: Why all the whining? Posted by: timg98376
» RE: Why all the whining? Posted by: jbeeso
» RE: Why all the whining? Posted by: Asses of Evil
sumac
Posted by: sumac on Jul 29, 2005 2:30 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is with much dismay, as I continue to read and hear the egregious things that are happening in our country! I am elderly, so it really won't have that much of an effect on me; but what about my children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. They are all very precious to me and I have always loved my country. My country seems to be disappearing daily and something I don't recognize taking it's place. Maybe we will have another revolution or civil war or whatever. I am afraid of this because I know the American people will just go so far and no farther. We must all pray for guidance. Our country must be taken back from the warmongers etc. Thank you, Sue McFadden

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

As usual the Dem double standard
Posted by: fjames on Jul 29, 2005 6:19 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Funny, why are Rep nominees required to turn over documents but dem nominees don't have or in bader's (former aclu lawyer approved by reps)case refuse to and that's fine?
Well there is no logical answer to this, but conservatives not to worry there may never be another jusice appointed by the sinking dem party.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

» RE: As usual the Dem double standard Posted by: Merchant_Of_Menace
Looks Good in Black - SS?
Posted by: dancerkc on Jul 29, 2005 8:00 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
For some reason I find myself thinking of Roberts in an SS uniform. Those SS uniforms looked cool and seemed to go hand-in-hand with handsome, well spoken, well mannered soldiers. So civilized. After work torturing and killing the less worthy, they go home for tender moments. Wonderful family people.

Less cynically, it isn't literally the SS of course, but how we are ready to offer deference, even admiration, to manners and good looks alone. It is the red flag which makes Roberts seem ominous to me.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

catguy
Posted by: catguy on Jul 30, 2005 3:28 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
How many ways can you spell "Nazi"?

First it was the 2000 Supreme Court coup d'etat, then it was the 2004 election stolen in Ohio, aided and abetted by the most inept Democratic Presidential candidate since Al Gore (who ran away from a record of prosperity unmatched by the American economy in recent memory).

The first time I see a Bushie wearing a brown shirt, I'm outta here

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

John Roberts for the Supreme Bench?
Posted by: drpiano55 on Jul 30, 2005 5:14 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
We need to get sophisticated, folks. To think that the Right Wingo Nutso Crowd would nominate a logician to the bench is to think that maybe--just maybe--an orange tree might produce a delicious apple.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Quite a barn vicinity this stable of forget-them-nots
Posted by: JohnLopresti on Jul 30, 2005 5:27 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Molly, We remember something you once said about TX politics, that the Bunyanesque is voted for office, larger than life. You also observed on the radio once, if I recall, your preference is for a full head of hair on a handsome politician. I was pondering these values judgments of yours. You have said a lot of insightful things there. This JG Roberts surely has an earnest gaze. Well, as the 1980s began our friends were remarking about superficiality, too, as one of the commentators above has observed; you know: Reagan thought diplomacy sounded neat; he sure had an earnest visage and an affable way about him. Though, you could, metaphorically, close your eyes, and sense the spookiness of the regal sounding SDI; well, Iran-Contra pretty much showed what Congress had to say about how the Presidency should be conducted. You know, it is supposed to be above the fray; totally honest; political, of course, but genuine and honest.
It is a pity to have to jog the memory about these historical events; better to live in the present.
You recall when inspectors general interview you, as people in WA-DC are remarking this weekend; oh, me, that is another trait of Bush nominees, I guess; these folks are a forgetful lot; Bolton will forget that little interview with the special prosecutor about documenting the State of the Union speech section on the arms race and all, and, well, Mr. Roberts, similarly, just has to let the Federalist connection slip his mind. Tsk. Well, we trust he will remember the law; you know, he has sat on the bench only a brief time; the shortest time of any prior nominated Justice to the Supreme Court.
You know, I think President Bush somewhere got mixed up and confounded his advisors' request to find a Stealth Candidate with some concept he has been carrying around but forgot, about looking for a Forgetful Candidate. Gee, I hope this works out well for the Supreme Court. I think Mr. Roberts probably learned a lot while at Harvard, you know, that is an excellent institution. My most achieving and excellent friends went there. It is such a good place that its college catalog was at my elbow while I was studying across the river for years there. I would take its course summaries and compare that to what I was getting on the Heights in Newton, MA. It was a good measuring rod.
We have to move along here as space and time are closing and obligations are ever more demanding.
CONTINUED

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

jl2
Posted by: JohnLopresti on Jul 30, 2005 5:31 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
But, as we part ways, let me remind you to review a few of the Reagan strategy papers Mr. Roberts wrote; like the one to use the administrator of the EPA as a shield so Reagan would not have to lose face by claiming executive privilege or receive a direct subpoena for private papers. Well the EPA administrator lost in that court case, and Roberts' strategy proved an excellent way for the Reagan administration to buy some time.
Then later, as Bush One came into office, Roberts may have been around to suggest some more political strategies; people are asking if Robert's adroit legal reasoning was behind the Bush One pardon strategy for a specific here-unnamed convicted Iran-Contra participant; maybe, maybe not.
You could do an article on that. If it proves more than gossip, then there might be a way to get the government to quit claiming release of more Reagan era papers would be all Congress is entitled to; right now the administration is refusing to let Roberts' strategy legal documents be released during the Bush One era and forward in time since then.
Instead, there are several blank years there. Roberts' papertrail kind of disappears. Just like a Stealth Candidate.
Well, our political system is strong and balanced. Even if all he does is whittle away at private rights, corporations will like his generosity and that will improve the annual reports, stocks will go up. We now have Sarbanes-Oxley to keep the records of accountants more, well, accountable.
I think a lot of large corporations were kind of lethargic and had to measure up quickly when the boom years arrived in the mid and late 1990s, and even if on paper, they had to make their books look good so their stock would remain competitive in a runaway bull stockmarket.
Well, here we return to what TX, at least the old TX, knew a lot about. We hope the bull in the bull market remains. There sure are a lot of bull like remarks in some of the posts following your article. Makes one think about stockyards, and the fragrances that won the west.
You know, though, I worry a lot, especially late at night. The ranch gets quiet and it is pretty then. It ain't TX here, and the insects are very tiny; no footlong flies landing on footlong hotdogs; everything is more subtle.
I sure hope this President knows what he is doing with this Roberts gentleman. We could use somebody smart on the Supreme Court. God knows, at 50, this CONT'D

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

jl3rd
Posted by: JohnLopresti on Jul 30, 2005 5:32 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
man will be on the Court until some of us are quite elderly. Do you know how good he is in the area of elderly law. I mean does he shave off rights like social security. If he is gung ho for corporations that is great. Companies do a lot of good work and keep people from wasting time uselessly. But will he saddle employees with deductions instead of requiring corporations pay a fair share. And I hear he thinks a lot of basic laws are flat out unconstitutional. He thought in one case that a species is not endangered, no, it is unfortunate to be in the way of the tractor. I mean, that is a little grim; he should be more cheerful. Well, his children, as we observed in the web cam shot in the WA-Post, look like they deserve to go to really good schools. And they will probably grow up and make him prematurely gray.
We have got Bush for President. Molly, you help us with some more background on these people President Bush is nominating; because, it sure looks to me like he has slipped way off the Chisholm trail and may spend his life in the brush way outside the herd.
Whew, getup, dogie.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

recuse?
Posted by: met00 on Jul 30, 2005 5:34 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
according the the LAT he stated that he would recuse himself if there was a ruling that had to be made and the low said one thing and his faith said another.

He should step down or be removed from consideration. If appointed he agrees to uphold the Constitution. His claim that he will recuse himself from a decision where doing so would conflict with his personal faith means that he can not uphold the responsibilities of the office and should not even be considered.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

But he's got a dimple in his chin!
Posted by: Kajamian on Jul 30, 2005 7:21 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm not half as concerned about any of Judge Roberts' "possible" stands or club memberships. I'm concerned about his recent (circa July 2005) opinion on the DC Circuit Court that put down a detainee's right to justice -- Hamdan v. Rumsfeld. This isn't some paper written as a "young law clerk" 25 years ago.

This case raises fundamental questions about Roberts' views on presidential power and the ability of the Supreme Court to act as an instrument of checks and balances.

The decision upheld the legality of President Bush's controversial "military tribunals" for enemy combatants held at Gitmo. And they are essentially granting him unchecked power to try and even execute enemy combatants.

The military tribunals created by President Bush permit individuals to be convicted, possibly sentenced to death, on the basis of secret evidence that neither the defendant nor his chosen civilian lawyer has the right to investigate. There's no appeal outside the military chain of command. President Bush authorizes the indictment, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is the final arbiter of appeals.

Does that idea scare you? I'm scared!

The Senate needs to ask a LOT of questions about Hamden vs Rumsfeld. And the information should already be public enough that we don't have to play the FOIA game.

Skip the other questions folks! As much as they may concern us, they're small spuds compared to this one!

Remember "Justice" Roberts will be around another 20-30 years!
Who's gonna be in the White House in 2025?
Wanna bet your life on the occupant?
How about your grandkids?

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

New Spots, same Leopard
Posted by: Artkansas on Jul 31, 2005 2:12 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I was most astonished that Bush chose to make his announcement in prime-time. Isn't this the same President who rarely appeared before the camera except to say "Mission Accomplished". That alone in his prime-time spots for encouraging support for the invasion of Iraq and support for the nomination of Roberts said something was up.

Next we shall see that just as the Roberts nomination is really hot, Renquist will suddenly reconsider staying, causing the Dems to really have to move quickly on two fronts. I bet the next candidate will be a doozy.

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Supreme Court
Posted by: magistre on Aug 1, 2005 1:31 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The thing to watch for is the first case the new court will handle. No,it won't be Roe v. Wade, it will be Term Limitations and then we will all be good little Bushzis for the rest of his life!

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]

Could this be the moment we've all been waiting for?
Posted by: maryastark@yahoo.com on Aug 4, 2005 4:31 PM   
Current rating: Not yet rated    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
This just in: John Roberts worked pro-bono to help overturn Colorado's anti-gay legislation! Yippee! Can't you just see it: a Rove-like smear campaign that Roberts is.... GAY! Wouldn't it be great to see a little discomfort in the marital bed between neocons and social cons. How have they lasted together all this time anyhow? Now, we can forward to Phyllis Schlafly condemning the Roberts nomination despite his Federalist Society bona fides. DE-lish!
Marya Stark

[« Reply to this comment] [Post a new comment »] [Rate this comment: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5]