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The Blasphemy of Flag Worship

By David Morris, AlterNet. Posted June 21, 2005.


Can anyone deny that the American flag has achieved the status of a graven image?
Blasphemy of Flag Worship

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In a few days the House of Representatives will overwhelmingly approve, for the sixth time, a Constitutional Amendment to allow Congress to make it a crime to deface the American flag.

In three previous votes, the Senate could not muster the two-thirds majority needed to send the bill to the states for ratification. In 2000, the last time the Senate took up the matter, 63 voted for the amendment, four short of a two-thirds majority. Since then Republicans have picked up five Senate seats. That is why USA Today describes the upcoming vote, scheduled sometime after July 4, as a "cliffhanger."

If Congress passes the amendment, will the states ratify it? Time will tell. But we should recall that every state legislature has passed resolutions urging Congress to send it such an amendment.

We can expect to hear a lot of First Amendment-loving progressives condemn this Congressional initiative as inappropriate and dangerous. I would hope that the Christian right would join the opposition. Not out of a love for the First Amendment, but because of their devotion to the Ten Commandments.

Devout Christians firmly believe that the Ten Commandments should be etched in stone in our courthouses and emblazoned on the walls of every classroom. The message of the Second Commandment is clear. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image... Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God..."

Can anyone deny that the American flag has achieved the status of a graven image?

The contention that flag worship is blasphemy was a key element before the Supreme Court in 1940. In that case it upheld the right of a Pennsylvania school district to expel two students who refused to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The two teenagers were members of the Jehovah's Witness denomination. Their church believed that pledging allegiance to the flag violated the Biblical admonition (Exodus 20) against worshipping or bowing down to any graven image of God. The court decided that the need for national security and national unity allowed Congress to force individuals to violate the Ten Commandments.

In 1943, the Supreme Court reversed its 1940 decision. That reversal probably had less to do with religion than with the Court's realization that, at the height of a war against totalitarian regimes, a central feature of which was a slavish devotion to national symbols, compelling us to worship the flag was inapt. (As a side note, that same year the Flag Code itself was changed. No longer were students required to salute the flag with one arm extended forward. The similarity to the Nazi salute was too embarrassing. From that time onwards, we were told to put our hands over our hearts.)

The evidence that we literally worship the flag is overwhelming. Unique among all nations, we have a Flag Day, a Flag code etiquette, a national anthem dedicated to the flag and a verbal salute to the flag. Twenty-seven states require school children to salute the flag daily.

Some might argue that we are simply saluting a symbol, that we are actually pledging allegiance to our country. But the words tell a different story. "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of American, and to the republic for which it stands." The insertion of the word "and" makes clear that the flag and the republic are two different entities. We are pledging allegiance to the flag itself.

If further evidence is needed, consider these words from the Congressionally enacted U.S. Flag code (Title 36 USC 10, PL 344). "The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing."

Just eight months ago, Lincoln, Nebraska police arrested a 64-year-old Vietnam War veteran who flew the American flag upside down to protest the war in Iraq. He was arrested for violating a 1977 Nebraska law prohibiting the "mutilation of a flag," which it defines this way. "A person commits the offense of mutilating a flag if such person intentionally casts contempt or ridicule upon a flag..." The penalty is three months in jail. Of course, in many societies, the punishment for ridiculing God is far greater.

Our national anthem, sung at every sporting event and increasingly, at every mass political gathering, is the only one I know that focuses its devotion solely on a flag. "And the rockets' red glare / the bombs bursting in air / gave proof through the night that our Flag was still there." Congress has repeatedly thwarted attempts to substitute the eminently more singable and entirely more fitting song, "America the Beautiful," for "The Star Spangled Banner."

Following up on its 1943 decision, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 and again in 1990 declared that ridiculing or defacing the American flag was protected by the First Amendment. Which is why Congress is now about to send a Constitutional Amendment to the states.

God bless those who will fight this Congressional initiative as a dangerous precedent, the first Constitutional Amendment that restricts the reach of the Bill of Rights. Their devotion to the first 10 amendments to the Constitution is admirable. Perhaps we can expect devout Christians' equally fierce devotion to the Ten Commandments to energize them in opposition to this initiative.

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David Morris is co-founder and vice president of the Institute for Local Self Reliance in Minneapolis, Minnnesota and director of its New Rules project.

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Posted by: acaryatid on Jun 21, 2005 4:11 AM   
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Before 1900 the United States had no Pledege of Allegiance, no military draft and no income tax. All three were determined necessary by what was once The War Department. The words "Under God" were added to the original Belamy version by General Eisenhower. Our forefathers designed a system where we pledge ourselves to life, to liberty and to the pursuit of happiness. Though our flag has become tied to the pledge and media spins red,white and blue patriotism behind it, the fact is that serving the state is pure facism. Democratic government serves the governed, not the other way around!

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Ashamed of the flag
Posted by: ggmurray on Jun 21, 2005 4:40 AM   
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I have personally felt ashamed of the flag ever since the Vietnam war. Only in the brief weeks after 9/11 did I wear a flag pin to show my feeling of solidarity with my country, as we grieved and felt the shock of others' hatred.
But the war in Iraq has brought back those Vietnam feelings of shame. I fear we have lost the moral battle and have become a bully nation, insensitive to the aspirations of the poor in our own country, and around the world.

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JINGOIST
Posted by: jingoist on Jun 21, 2005 4:53 AM   
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Dear David,
I read your article and was struck by a number of points. The first is your use of the 10 Commandments. Admittedly I don't know whether you are a person who believes in G-d or not, but often times I see atheists attempting to use scripture against people of faith. In my opinion this is the height of synicism. I don't think our "reverance"( feeling of deep respect, love, awe and esteem) for the flag qualifies as "worship" (1st def., verb Trans. to adore or pay devine honors to as a diety). Granted some people do go overboard with the flag "thing", but as a civic symbol flags have always been very important. Even more so in the great melting pot that is the U.S.A.. As for the second commandment it's very self explanatory and doesn't normally apply to this case, due to the difference between reverance and worship. Many rabbinical scholors that I've studied point to our "obsessions" (Star Wars, weight loss, American Idol, socialism, etc.) as forms of idol worship because they detract from the place in our heart that should be reserved for G-d alone. We worship G-d and revere the flag and what it stands for. I don't buy the first Amendment argument either. Anyone who didn't oppose the McCain-Feingold act, which directly abridged freedom of speech has no right to scream about an anti flag burning amendment, which would prohibit an act that is far more anarchistic in nature. As you are well aware the founders weren't concerned with crucifixes in jars of urine when they enacted the 1st Amendment. They were talking about press, speech, assembly and petition to the govt. for redress of grievences. So I ask again, where were the 1st Amendment loving progressives during McCain-Feingold? I enjoyed your article but disagree with your conclusions. Let's give Old Glory a little bit of protection. JINGOIST

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Second Commandment
Posted by: Balanchine on Jun 21, 2005 6:08 AM   
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I've never understood why god should be jealous. Isn't he or she pretty much in charge of everything?

Who could possibly be a threat?

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Who's kidding whom, eh!
Posted by: neilemac on Jun 21, 2005 6:13 AM   
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According to apodopa, in a previous post ridiculing same-sex marriage, he/she infers church and state are the same thing.

Posted by: apodopa on Jun 19, 2005 5:08 PM
... "We are evangelicals and that mean(s) we go out into the world and talk about issues, not only religion, but politics. Increasingly, at least for us, politics and religion are one and the smae(same?), always has been."

(brackets are mine, neilemac, someone has to teach apodopa grammar, how to spell ;-))

Well, I guess the flag is apodopa's and other American religious zealots' modern day "burning cross;" except they glorify it but don't really set it on fire.

Rupert Murdock's flagrant disinformation wielding FOX news network uses the flag as a backdrop while flaunting 24/7 biast rightwing rhetoric.

The "stars and stripes" hasn't only become a graven image for those rightwing bigoted THEOCORPORATIST bullying liars and rightwing religious zealots, it has become a symbol of contempt to the rest of our cultured civilized world.

"What have they done to my song, ma"... Melanie Safka (recorded by the "New Seekers" circa 1970) namaste

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"Old Glory" is Dead
Posted by: zeeartiste on Jun 21, 2005 6:17 AM   
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That's right, I said it. Whatever glory was once attached to the flag is dead. Let them burn it, shred it, piss on it, shit on it, run it over, and whatever else anyone can think of to use it in protest, or even disgust.

It used to represent a great country, now, neither the country nor the flag are great. When displayed in other countries, whether on a t-shirt, a pin, or anything else, it's looked upon as a symbol of decadence, abuse, and just about every other derogatory thing we do as americans.

People want to save the flag from harm. Why? The same people who cry when the flag is "harmed", are a lot of the same people who don't give a shit about their fellow man.

We need to concentrate on ourselves as a people, then we can pick what we want to represent us accurately.

Fuck the flag, it's as meaningless as america.

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Does reverence require ritual?
Posted by: revchad on Jun 21, 2005 6:25 AM   
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I must admit that I thoroughly enjoyed this article. I have been very nauseated by our sense of unchecked patriotism connected with our unchecked militarism. Today the flying of the flag seems to represent our support of the Iraq war. As much as I agree with this article, I have a question up for some discussion.

One of the distinctions that we might make is whether or not an object can be revered without being "worshipped" through ritual? Can we revere and admire the flag without combining it with ritual? As a pastor who has spent significant time studying the bible, what I have seen is that the text referring to graven images is in direct reference to the people of Israel setting up graven images as gods and then combining it with a sense of ritual worship. For example, when the Israelites created the golden calf while Moses was on Mt. Sinai getting the Ten Commandments, they not only admired it, they treated it as if it were a god and began dancing around it in ritualistic fashion.

We in the United States have our own rituals as this article points out. Whether it was the rather ridiculous near Nazi sign or even the simple placing our hands over our hearts, we have rituals that combine with our reverence. Does this, then, constitute as worship? I am sure that most people do not think of our flag literally as a god as some ancient cultures might have done so with objects. However, when we combine the ritualism around our flag with right wing religion, we most certainly come close to melding our reverence into worship. Too close, in fact, for me.
I especially get nervous that most churches, even churches I have served, have the Christian flag and the American flag in the sanctuary or on a poll out front. I find this abominable and near Crusade like. Any combination of the State with religion begins to create a dualistic world where violence is nearly inevitable as a result of creating an "us" and a "them." In fact, that is what nationalism itself does, which is what our flag represents. Perhaps one day we will be able to see the Lion sit down with the Lamb and we will practice war no more.

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Little JW boy who didn't....
Posted by: DannyHaszard on Jun 21, 2005 6:33 AM   
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I appreciated your article i was raised a Jehovah's Witness and got the bleep beaten outta me from first grade (1963) on through all my school years for not saluting the Flag.

All the abuse i endured was all for NOTHING!Because Jehovah's Witnesses are just a ripoff cult who won't salute the flag but have more pedophiles and psychopaths per-capita then anywhere except the prisons.

My life story as a f**ked Jehovah's Witness http://www.DannyHaszard.com

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The American Flag is a colorful rag, ntohing more
Posted by: thx1138 on Jun 21, 2005 7:05 AM   
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When laws are passed to quell dissent of any kind, including flag burning, freedom takes on more meaning to those who understand that there is less of it around. To the ones who pass and supprt laws stifling dissent, they become the ones who think freedom is better served by limiting it to ways it suits them.
The american flag as it is used by the fascist republicans is nothing more than piece of evil looking cloth not unlike the Nazi flag. It will be interesting to see if the knee jerk fascists pass laws to also outlaw its "defacing" by advertisers. Doubt it.
But if the law is passed the first thing I am going to do is go downtown and burn a flag on main street to show my love and respect for MY freedom. If I did nothing I would be ashamed of myslef.

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So so strange
Posted by: kingfelix on Jun 21, 2005 7:22 AM   
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The right wing are busily claiming ownership of the flag and of God and of patriotism. They are also trying to dissolve the separation of church and state. The notion of being un-American (for me, such an awful term. my wife (an American) had close friends offering her the choice of "leaving the country if you don't like it" when she opposed war in Iraq, on the basis she was being un-American. western style democracies should not deal in such terms, but America seems as intent on crushing dissent while pursuing its military aims as a China or a Russia. while there are many things wrong with my home country of Britain, i am happy that as a mature democracy and more politically tolerant populace that people were allowed to protest and dissent freely against war in Iraq, without being harassed out of their jobs or deserted by their friends. however, many average Americans appear to be such knuckleheads that they are unwilling to acknowledge that they can learn anything from the people of other nations, because America is BEST, at everything, period, and besides, the US saved all our European asses, we'd be speaking French, blah, blah) is becoming synonymous with NOT being Republican or a Bush supporter.

We've had to put up with numerous attempts to run us off the road here in Memphis and Nashville, for the crime of having Democrat bumper stickers. Engage in free speech at your own risk!

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Northern Exposure
Posted by: RED on Jun 21, 2005 7:52 AM   
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As a Canadian I want to tell you I just don't get it. In fact I don't understand the jingoistic religiousity of it all. I love my country, but I would never say that our flag is anything other than a piece of cloth. If you want to burn, stomp or mutilate it, as our separatists have done in Quebec, feel free, you won't change what I think. In fact I'm going to go a little farther here and say that the majority of Americans are conformists. You talk about freedom a lot, but just don't try to exercise any of it. People will go around yelling Witch! Witch!

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jumperl
Posted by: jumperl on Jun 21, 2005 7:54 AM   
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I sent an email to my Congressman telling him to oppose the bill making defacing the flag a crime, not because of religious concerns but because it's the only tool left to us, as American citizens, to protest against our government without destroying public or private property. When we can no longer show discontent with public policy, the government no longer is representative but fascist at worst.

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My Flag
Posted by: wannabersc on Jun 21, 2005 8:01 AM   
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I, like a majority of people who think on this subject, have disassociated the Government of the United States from the United States of America. The symbol of the Flag (note cap) is for my step-son who was recently returned, wounded, from the Middle East after an operation the government won't talk about. It is for my Uncle who should have died in Vietnam, and never accepted the fact that he alone of his unit survived. It stands for the generation of my Grandmother & Grandfather who lived through hell and reshaped the World with nothing more esoteric that basic machines, handtools, and grit.

I have belief in people like the aforementioned. I do not believe in Governments, National Parties, Multi-National Corporations or Religious zealotry. These, along with many left un-named destroy with little in the way positive advancement for Mankind. Sure, we have everything we want located conveniently at a nearby WallMart. And you can drink an ice cold Coke, as long as you ignore the murders that back that lovely Corporate neighbor. None of these "Institutions" is my Courty

You worry about the Flag. I worry about a Country.

My Flag flies daily in front of my house, She is just fine. Let any man or woman touch her and they will see what one man is willing to do to protect Her
My Country, on the other hand; How much more abuse will She survive at the hands of those who hate humanity?

Culture of Death or suicide pact? I no longer know.

v/r,
R.S. Covey

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Not True
Posted by: Campesino on Jun 21, 2005 8:37 AM   
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"Before 1900 the United States had no Pledege of Allegiance, no military draft and no income tax."

Not true. There was a military draft during the Civil War as well as an income tax.

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Nothing New
Posted by: nakis on Jun 21, 2005 8:51 AM   
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I just wanted to offer up something.

Many servicemen and ex-servicemen deeply resent anyone showing disrespect for the flag. Strictly from the fact that they give so much for their country. Men die beneath that flag. Soldiers loose sanity, limbs, sacrifice greatly beneath that flag.
I personally respect and encourage discent towards any institution that causes harm to humanity. Out of respect for the millions of people who've worked, lived, suffered and died for the American dream of freedom and democracy I choose not to disrespect the flag in any way.
To me it's not idolotry. I do not worship it. I respect it for the people it represents.
In my mind it's about the people not those who use it to disrespect it.
Yes, I do believe that people idolize it. They use it, abuse it. They sell the flag. Another way to push rampant capitalism.
I truly believe that within the next century people will look back at this time and see the abuse of the American dream for what it is.

You can't get everyone to see the flag in the same way. People see symbols as they relate to their experience.

You may disagree and must respect that. I loathe what our domestic and foreign policies, rampant nationalism and capitalism, military industrial complex, fundamental religious beliefs, etc.. are doing in the name of God and America.
But deep down, and maybe its programming, I agree with protecting the flag from being disrespected. I think it is from my belief of what the flag represents. People. Sacrifice. Honor. Not the whores who sell themselves and their brothers for money, power and idolotry.
I do wholeheartedly respect the right to discent. But perhaps it can be done without disrespecting the flag.
We do live in America. We are about making our laws in respect to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Discounting the idiots who believe the crap shoved in their faces, I think we should respect the flag for the millions of courageous people who really made America what it is. We the People. Even if some of them don't deserve the respect.

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Democracy in Action
Posted by: bqtrain on Jun 21, 2005 8:56 AM   
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Gotta love it when Congress has their priorities straight. I'm sure the thousands of people dying in Iraq will rest peacefully knowing the flag is more important than their lives. Obviously, the 20% of our country that does not have health insurance is going to rest easier knowing that the flag is more important than their health. And to all the children that aren't recieving a real education, when they grow up they'll be able to appreciate that the flag was more important than their future. If you took a poll of this country, I'm sure the overwhelming majority would put the protection of a piece of cloth before any of these issues.

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Flag Worship and Blasphemy
Posted by: blacksheep on Jun 21, 2005 9:42 AM   
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David,
Thank you for an interesting argument about flag worship. If Jingoist thinks it is synicism [sic] to use scripture against those who weild its power, then I have to point out that we do so in the name of consistency. The same concern for consistency is what led Jingoist to criticise First Amendment advocates for not opposing the McCain-Feingold Act but now opposing the state's protections of flag sanctity. ( But hypocritsy
has always been s stumbling block for the religious amongst us. )

It seems to me that the issue is not where or whether reverence for the flag turns into "idolatry" or "blasphemy" as that is a purely religious matter. It is not because flag worship is 'blasphemy' that we ought be allowed to desecrate it. If Americans did not have the freedom to desecrate a national symbol, then nor would they be free to revere it. Their reverence would be compulsory. Freedom means having a genuine choice between two options, rather than being compelled by the thought police to worship a symbolic totem or to revile a social taboo.

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Flag worship
Posted by: aida1200 on Jun 21, 2005 9:50 AM   
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I stopped saying the Pledge of Allegiance after I caught myself about to say "amen" at the end of it. As for changing the national anthem to "America the Beautiful," absolutely! We need an anthem that includes the lines "America, America! God mend thine every flaw/And crown thy good/With brotherhood/Thy liberty with law!" (How soon will there be a movement to delete that stanza?)

Incidentally, in Baltimore it's illegal to sing "The Star Spangled Banner" in an inappropriate manner, which strictly speaking includes starting it and not singing all the stanzas.

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Logical Conclusions
Posted by: rusrus on Jun 21, 2005 10:01 AM   
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Once they ban flag-burning, people won't stop protesting:

1) People will burn pictures of the President
1a) The government will ban burning pictures of politicians

2) People will burn drawings of the President
2a) The government will ban burning drawings os politicians

3) People will burn pieces of paper with the word, "President" on it
3a) The government, in an effort to stay one-step ahead of wily protestors, will ban burning anything.

As long as we keep voting for these numb-nut congressional representatives, we're in for a rough ride. Good thing the Republicans are there to save us from ourselves.

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How I Will Use This Law
Posted by: TheySayImUnamerican on Jun 21, 2005 10:10 AM   
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This (potential) amendment is, of course, utter garbage. However, should it pass and defacing of the flag be declared criminal, I fully intend to use it against all the post-911 "patriots" who drive around with shredded, battered flags flying from their car antennas. Hell, they're probably the ones most in support of this measure. Might as well beat 'em with their own stick.

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amendment to protect the flag
Posted by: benu67 on Jun 21, 2005 10:57 AM   
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i wasn't born in this country but i still understand what the flag of any country stands for. this amendment does more to curb freedom of speech than to protect the flag. with an illegal war(s) going on, drug and arms trafficking at an all-time high, our economy is about to burst, hospitals and VA centers closing everyday, everything's getting expensive while jobs are getting outsourced, you'd think we have more important things to worry about? BTW, if we're going to "protect" the flag, maybe we should start by telling our commander-in-chief (a stupid brittish term) about writting on it.
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I have to face it, now
Posted by: whatever on Jun 21, 2005 11:08 AM   
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This piece, it brought it home to me. All my life, as a non christian, growing up in the midwest, saying the pledge like everyone else.

I have to face it, my flag is meaningless. The ideals it inspired in some have been far outweighed by the evil done by others, in "it's" name. It's been a reluctance, for me, to feel this or admit it to myself. To realize that, for most of the rest of the world? Our flad is something to fear. It means military power. It means they'll do anything to you they can get away with, and passively and actively suppoprt the worst of war ciminals in other nations.

Have to face it. What our flag means, it's just like the confederate flag, now. It might have been a pride to some, pride for the south, but for so many others, it's a symbol of oppression and hate. One might not like to view one's flag that way, but, if one's flag inspires that feeling in *others*, is it really anything to be proud of? If those feelings are not only perfectly justified, due to past actions and attitudes upheld by those lovers of that flag, but also, that those feelngs are shared by others that *weren't* hurt, but still feel shame? Who want's a flag like that?

It's not just what our flag means to us. It's what our flag means to others, how we have represented our flag. For all that, it's nothing to be proud of. What good is it to tout the ideals of freedom and democracy if all you do is show the world what a lovely job you do of undermining those ideals? It does nothing but harm to those ideals. Worse than never addressing it at all; perverting past all recognition. What a subversion. Nothing to be proud of there.

Since Bush has been president, nothing has improved in the world, in terms of freedoms, that I know of. The only things that have improved are the profits of big businesses, and that's the only thing I can think of that's better now than it was before. Business profits.

They're the ones that ought to pledge to the flag. They friggin own it.

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Posted by: georip on Jun 21, 2005 11:28 AM   
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The flag is a living thing, it is fluid. It lives just like the bible, because we the living are creating its current meaning every day with every action.

The flag is like a prayer upon the wind and when we are all tapped in to a beautiful prayer the world will be a beautiful place.

The flagpole Eagle, Now there is the symbol we should be talking about.

I love the eagle, as long as it represents the eternal vigilence and strength of the sovereign citizen. As long as it represents the power of the bond between natural man and the Gods, or even, if you will, God! As long as it does not represent the Imperial power of the State.

I know of nothing closer to the Godhead than the unity of man for the general welfare. It is time that the Imperial power of the State be challenged by citizens exercising their eagle eyed vigilence and acting in protecting the general welfare of mankind and indeed, of all life from enemies both inside and outside the country.

There are other alternatives to the Imperial Roman Eagle symbolism. The Dove Descending is a nice one.


Other tradditional flagpole finial symbols to discuss are the spear point and the "cannon ball".. Why not a sheaf of wheat or the blue green planet?



Save me from the jingoist but let's make this country something that we can be proud of. Starting with a strong focus on electoral reform.


The flag as a symbol is a power tool, and like any other tool in the box it can be used positively, creatively and for good. One need not fear its power, one must learn to use it. No one person or party "owns" it. By the way, when it is burned it returns to the dust from which it is renewed. The Dragon is dead. Long live the Dragon.

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A better pledge
Posted by: pulsatrix on Jun 21, 2005 11:57 AM   
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Instead of our current pledge of allegience, I propose that we use the pledge from the constitution (slightly modified):

"I swear that I will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

That's where my allegience lies.

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Ty
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 21, 2005 12:14 PM   
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Flags are symbols, no more, no less and what's happened to our handling of it is asbusrd: A national amendment? Mein Gott, why? To many the American flag has a different meaning; for some it represents pride while others argue people have died in the name of the flag.
When the national anthem is played I can't look at the flag. But if anyone speaks out about it we're labeled outcasts or called unpatriotic. Therefore the flag is used to divide us as any other issue out today.

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Ty
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 21, 2005 12:57 PM   
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This flag worshipping has gone overboard. Why is a amendment necessary? I can't understand it. Mein Gott, it's only a piece of cloth (a symbol, nonetheless) that its interpretation is subject to debate.
People have (needlessly) died because of our flag. But then some say it's a source of pride. If anyone dares to criticize the flag they're called unpatriotic or worse. The U.S.A. is one of the few nations that lets flag worshipping go to its head.
When the anthem is played I can't look at the flag because to me it represents a crass, jingoistic, cultural imperialism. But we've gone too far with a proposed amendment. It defies logic.

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Burn the Flag
Posted by: wbblack on Jun 21, 2005 1:27 PM   
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The Stars & Stripes is the flag of the United States ruling class—call them corporate elite if you like. People around the world hate the U.S. flag because it represents imperialism and oppression.

If you never burned the Stars & Stripes I suggest that you do. I’ve burned a few and it felt just wonderful. Just so you know I ain’t no “furiner,” I was born in the USA.