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The Dangerous Atheism of Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris

By Chris Hedges, Free Press. Posted March 22, 2008.


From demonizing Muslims to believing we can use science for our own moral advancement, the New Atheists preach a dangerous faith.
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The following is adapted from the new book by Chris Hedges, I Don't Believe in Atheists (Free Press, 2008).

I flew to Los Angeles in May of 2007 to debate Sam Harris, the author of The End of Faith and Letter to a Christian Nation, in UCLA's cavernous Royce Hall. I debated Christopher Hitchens, who wrote God is Not Great, two days later in San Francisco. I paid little attention, until these two public debates, to the positions of the new atheists, writers that also include Richard Dawkins and Daniel Dennet. Those are many people of great moral probity and courage who seek meaning outside of formal religious structures, who reject religious language and religious ritual and define themselves as atheists. There are also many religious figures that in the name of one god or another sanctify intolerance, repression and violence. There is nothing intrinsically moral about being a believer or a nonbeliever.

These New Atheists attack a form of religious belief many of us hate. I wrote a book called American Fascists: The Christian Right and the War on America. I am no friend of Christian radicals. We dislike the same people. We do not dislike them for the same reason. This is not a small difference.

The New Atheists embrace a belief system as intolerant, chauvinistic and bigoted as that of religious fundamentalists. They propose a route to collective salvation and the moral advancement of the human species through science and reason. The utopian dream of a perfect society and a perfect human being, the idea that we are moving towards collective salvation, is one of the most dangerous legacies of the Christian faith and the Enlightenment. Those who believe in the possibility of this perfection often call for the silencing or eradication of human beings who are impediments to human progress. They turn their particular good into a universal good. They are blind to their own corruption and capacity for evil. They soon commit evil, not for evil's sake but to make a better world.

I started Harris' book when it was published but soon put it aside. His facile attack on a form of religious belief I detest, his childish simplicity and ignorance of world affairs, as well as his demonization of Muslims, made the book tedious, at its best, and often idiotic and racist. His assertion that the war in the former Yugoslavia, for example, was caused by religion was ridiculous. I was in the former Yugoslavia, including in the Bosnian capital Sarajevo when it was under siege, as the Balkan bureau chief for the New York Times. While religious institutions and their leaders enthusiastically signed on for the slaughter directed by ethnic nationalist leaders in Zagreb, Belgrade and Sarajevo, religion had nothing to do with the war.

The war had far more to do with the economic collapse of Yugoslavia than religion or ancient ethnic hatreds. His assertion that Muslim parents welcome the death of children who die as suicide bombers -- or that suicide bombers are the logical result of a belief in Islam -- could have been written only by someone who never sat in the home of a grieving mother and father in Gaza who has just lost their child. I did not take Harris seriously. This was a mistake.

I was raised in a church where my father, a Presbyterian minister, spent his career speaking out, often at some personal cost, in support of the civil rights movement, the Vietnam anti-war movement and the gay rights movement. The religious figures I knew, and the ones I sought to emulate when I was a seminarian at Harvard Divinity School, included Dr. Martin Luther King, Dorothy Day, the Rev. William Sloan Coffin, the Salvadoran Archbishop Oscar Romero and Father Daniel Berrigan. It was possible to admire these men and women and what they stood for, and hold in little regard institutional religion. It was possible to find in the Christian faith meaning and purpose while acknowledging the flaws in the Christian system and rejecting the morally indefensible passages in the Bible.

The institutional church has often used its power and religious authority to sanctify cruelty and exclusion. The self-righteous smugness and suffocating piety of religious leaders, along with the habit of speaking on behalf of people they never meet, are characteristic of many liberal and conservative churches. The church often likes the poor but doesn't like the smell of the poor. I graduated from seminary and decided, largely because of my distaste for the hypocrisy of the church, not to get ordained. I left the United States to report on the conflicts in Central America. I rarely go to church now, and when I do, often roll my eyes at the inanity of the sermons and the self-righteousness of many of the congregants, who appear to believe they are "honorary" sinners.

The liberal church, attacked by the atheists as an ineffectual "moderate" religion and by the fundamentalists as a "nominal" form of Christianity, is, as their critics point out, a largely vapid and irrelevant force. It may not support the violent projects of apocalyptic killing championed by atheists such as Harris or Hitchens and these Christian radicals, but it also does not understand how the world works or the seduction of evil. The liberal church is a largely middle class, bourgeoisie phenomenon, filled with many people who have profited from industrialization, the American empire and global capitalism. They often seem to think that if we can be nice and inclusive everything will work out.


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Chris Hedges, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter, is the author of "I Don't Believe in Atheists" (Free Press, 2008) and other books. He was the Middle East bureau chief for the "New York Times."

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 22, 2008 12:11 AM   
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Let's forget you, better still

The Who

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I am Heresy Incarnate
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 22, 2008 12:29 AM   
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I am Heresy Incarnate. I am frequently banned from sites such as AlterNet for disregarding their ideological bigotry and stating my well-informed and sincerely held opinions and beliefs. I dare not even name my own professed religious affiliation lest I share the fate of Syme the philologist.

It is truly strange to hold beliefs for which we are persecuted with impunity in allegedly free Western Civilization.

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Both are boring
Posted by: primalscream on Mar 22, 2008 1:18 AM   
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Religious fundamentalism and atheism are both oh-so-19th-century. That was the golden age of "absolute" truths, and people of small horizons always will absolutize whatever is in front of them. Might be the local religion, might be the latest science, might be their own egos. Sadly, this problem has always been with us and likely always will be. People of broader horizons will be humbled by what they don't know -- and they'll try to keep science and philosophy, two useful human pursuits despite their sniping at each other, asking questions proper to their competencies. The problem with many premodern societies was that they tried to do science philosophically, and the problem with many modern societies is that they try to do philosophy scientifically. The first introduces too much mystery, the second not enough. Personally, I like the borderland between religion and science. It's a fuzzy zone -- which means to me they are strangely linked, like the crease of a paper folded back on itself -- and it's a place where belief becomes less important than thought and action.

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The White Noise of Chris Hedges
Posted by: Lector on Mar 22, 2008 2:16 AM   
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Chris Hedges can say little that is nice about churches, the people who run them and religions in general, an area I am in agreement with but it’s unfortunate he believes atheism to be an intolerant, chauvinistic and bigoted belief system. To the contrary, it is a disbelief in the existence of God that requires evidence, that uses reason and logic and which only asks for something other than magical thinking and the use of the old argument to ignorance fallacy in the spreading and exploitation of Christianity. You won’t find atheists burning down churches or using their “belief” system as an excuse to teach Intelligent Design as a real science on par with evolution in schools and unlike fundamentalist Jews, Muslims, and Hindus, atheists don’t seek the establishment of a theocracy as the ultimate goal.


“Many of these atheists, like the Christian fundamentalists, support the imperialist projects and preemptive wars of the United States” Besides the most celebrated exception, Christopher Hitchens, probably too intellectual for Hedges to understand, how many atheists compared to Christians in Congress voted to go to war against Iraq?


“Religion, real religion, was about fighting for justice, standing up for the voiceless and the weak, reaching out in acts of kindness and compassion to the stranger and the outcast, living a life of simplicity, finding empathy and defying the powerful.” “real religion”? This is where I begin to view Hedges as another fundamentalist nut. Atheists, non-believers, have also fought for justice, stood up for the voiceless, the weak, reached out in acts of kindness and compassion to strangers and outcasts…etc. So before the Bronze Age came along, when Christianity didn’t exist yet, none of this human compassion existed either I suppose.

Pointless

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Eminently reasonable
Posted by: talkville on Mar 22, 2008 2:25 AM   
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"The utopian dream of a perfect society and a perfect human being, the idea that we are moving towards collective salvation, is one of the most dangerous legacies of the Christian faith and the Enlightenment. Those who believe in the possibility of this perfection often call for the silencing or eradication of human beings who are impediments to human progress. They turn their particular good into a universal good. They are blind to their own corruption and capacity for evil. They soon commit evil, not for evil's sake but to make a better world."

Calling attention to the complexities of the human condition, especially today in these social darwinistic and biologistic times is reasonable and sensible. We can't forget that consciousness and self-consciousness are but a bare Surface of the human being. We must each move carefully in those states of mind characterized as 'believing' and 'believing in' and think carefully about such processes as evaluation and value making.

Since Copernicus, centers are difficult to pin-point in experience and in values; since Darwin, it is not possible to detach our species from the tissues of nature and our planet. We're barely beginning, despite our immense reliance and pride in technologic and other advancements, and Hedges points out a useful corrective to enthusiasms which can easily lead to zealotries either facts containing values or values containing facts.

Dialog presupposes equality; otherwise it's just a game of dominance and submission, compromise and capitulation. The USA is in dire need and Hedges' points are well worth the read.

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» Did you read the same quote? Posted by: leafsong1
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Well, let's liven it up a bit
Posted by: Rune on Mar 22, 2008 2:39 AM   
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How about this: the popular atheism discussed in the article is a sort of fundamentalism of it's own. It asserts the impossibility of any spiritual truth or experience as a given, then sets out to deny the existence of spiritual truth or experience at any cost and, failing that, to at least mock and belittle proponents of religion or spirituality in hopes that others will be too distracted to notice the logical failure of such tactics. This is pathetic.

I'll readily agree that science is interesting and useful. I will also point out that not everyone is particularly gifted in the abstract and critical thinking that is important to advancing science. Even so, most people can get a vague idea of what science is about and appreciate its appropriateness and usefulness in not only understanding the world, but creating it--which may be one in the same depending on which philosophical forks in the road you choose in approaching science.

That said, I find it just as easy to recognize that human beings are adept at perceiving and interpreting spiritual experiences. Spirituality is also useful in making sense of, coping with, and even changing the world, as many who have changed it have noted in some of their most impassioned comments on their diverse works. Asking whether spirituality is "real" is a bit like asking whether the magic of music, art, or poetry is "real." Trying to reduce spirituality to physical phenomena is as misguided as trying to understand music by measuring pressures waves in the air set in motion by musical instruments. That just ain't what it's all about.

What it is all about, in my opinion, is fundamental human creativity and awareness that adds richness and direction to life to the extent an individual gets it and gets into it. I think everyone can get into some aspect of spirituality if they allow themselves to explore and accept such experiences. It strikes me as odd that some are passionate about not only denying their own spirituality, but determined to deny it in others, too.

There is nothing inherently dangerous about spirituality, any more than science is inherently dangerous. Both, however, can and have been used to endanger and even kill people. Further, both have been twisted into excuses for shunning and harming others. We need not rid ourselves of either science or spirituality to be safe from these tendencies. Rather, we need to fully embrace sense of grace and morality just as firmly as we grasp the teachings of logic and experimentation to see past our fear of others who see the world differently and learn to coexist with them, if not be better off for having known them.

As the author notes, there are some aspects of religion that limit and distort spiritual understanding in ways that can be damaging to individuals and society at large. It is possible to point out those problems without stereotyping everyone who acknowledges the importance of their own spirituality as being such a threat. Is that really so difficult to understand? Or is it more a matter of certain devotees of science being so defensive of the limits of perception, communication, and certain aspects of epistemology that they feel they must lash out at any reminders of those shaky underpinnings of their preferred world view? I really do wonder sometimes.

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Don't Fence Me In, or The Tyranny of Time ...
Posted by: gazooks on Mar 22, 2008 2:40 AM   
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A peculiarly thoughtful post, primalscream.

It occurs to me, that from a basic perceptual view, our fix on time as a linear event lends an unfortunate, perpetually frustrating bias and predisposition to reliance on these repetitively failing, mythical constructs of moral absolutism that lead to some "heaven".

And despite the explicitly humbling force of our still infant view of quanta and consciousness, there's this overriding acceptance by otherwise thinking people that we're somehow obligated to make pronouncements, take stands of belief and sell it as knowledge.

Just good biddness, I guess.

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You're not helping.
Posted by: Kevbo on Mar 22, 2008 3:42 AM   
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Religion, real religion, was about fighting for justice, standing up for the voiceless and the weak, reaching out in acts of kindness and compassion to the stranger and the outcast, living a life of simplicity, finding empathy and defying the powerful. It was about caring for the other.

Does Hedges not understand that all that above can be achieved, pursued and espoused in a more authentic manner without religion?

There are slight shades of David Hume in Hedges' declaration that we are morally stagnant. Harris and Hitchens are indicating that with reason as our guiding force, we can collectively as a civilization make more sophisticated and sound moral decisions.... and pass that on. Naturally, we can not expect the pursuit of logical and scientific truths over superstition to result in a rewriting of our genetic code or an improvement of neural pathways. I don't think Hedges actually understands what he was reading.

He makes many important points about religious fundamentalism but he really throws the baby out with the bathwater when he regards atheism.

It would appear from this excerpt that Hedges' book will only muddy the waters and not result in improved debate about religion, science, atheism et al. I expect it will just fortify some reactive people's distaste for atheism rather than inform anyone constructively.

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