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Torture in Our Own Backyards: The Fight Against Supermax Prisons

By Jessica Pupovac, AlterNet. Posted March 24, 2008.


In supermax prisons, 23 hours a day of solitary confinement is the norm. How did our prison system become so cruel?
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Imagine living in an 8-by-12 prison cell, in solitary confinement, for eight years straight. Your entire world consists of a dank, cinder block room with a narrow window only three inches high, opening up to an outdoor cement cage, cynically dubbed, "the yard." If you're lucky, you spend one hour five days a week in that outdoor cage, where you gaze up through a wire mesh roof and hope for a glimpse of the sun. If you talk back to the guards or act out in any way, you might only venture outside one precious hour per week.

You go eight years without shaking a hand or experiencing any physical human contact. The prison guards bark orders and touch you only while wearing leather gloves, and then it's only to put you in full cuffs and shackles before escorting you to the cold showers, where they watch your every move.

You cannot make phone calls to your friends or family and must "earn" two visits per month, which inevitably take place through a Plexiglass wall. You are kept in full shackles the entire time you visit with your wife and children, and have to strain to hear their voices through speakers that record your every word. With no religious or educational programs to break up the time or elevate your thoughts, it's a daily struggle to keep your mind from unraveling.

This is how Reginald Akeem Berry describes his time in Tamms Correctional Facility, a "Supermax" state prison in southern Illinois, where he was held from March 1998 until July 2006. He now works to draw attention to conditions inside Tamms, where 261 inmates continue to be held in extreme isolation.

Once exclusively employed as a short-term punishment for particularly violent jailhouse infractions, "supermax" facilities, or "control units," are today designed specifically to hold large numbers of inmates in long-term solitary confinement. A concept that spread like wildfire in the 1990s, today an estimated 20,000 prisoners in 44 states live in these modern-day dungeons, judged to be "unmanageable" by prison officials and moved from other penitentiaries to the nearest supermax.

Life in supermax institutions is grueling. Inmates stay in their cells for at least 23 hours per day, and never so much as lay eyes on another prisoner. While many live under these conditions for five years, others continue, uncertain of how to earn their way out, for 10, 15 or even 20 years.

The effects of such extended periods of isolation on prisoners' physical and mental health, their chances of meaningful rehabilitation, and, ultimately, on the communities to which they will eventually return are coming under increasing fire, from lawyers, human rights advocates and the medical professionals who have treated them. Bolstered by growing concern over the United States' sanctioning of torture, and the effect it's had on the country's international standing, their calls to action are gaining ground. In 2000, and again in 2006, the United Nations Committee Against Torture condemned the kind of isolation imposed by the U.S. government in federal, state and county-run supermax prisons, calling it "extremely harsh." "The committee is concerned about the prolonged isolation periods detainees are subjected to," they stated, "the effect such treatment has on their mental health, and that its purpose may be retribution, in which case it would constitute cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment."

"Sending someone to a supermax is punishment"

Defense attorney Jean Maclean Snyder, who has represented several Tamms prisoners, says the U.N. declaration is dead-on. "It is suspected that many [Tamms] prisoners have been sent there in retaliation for filing lawsuits about prison policies; because serious mental illnesses cause them to be disruptive; or simply because wardens at other prisons do not like them," she wrote in 2000, shortly after the original declaration was issued. Alan Mills of the Uptown People's Law Center in Chicago, Ill., thinks that the ambiguity surrounding how and why inmates are sent to supermax facilities constitutes a violation of due process. "Sending someone to a supermax is punishment," Mills told AlterNet, "and before someone gets punished, they have a right to a fair hearing." "Just like if you were to get a traffic ticket, you have a right to say 'I didn't do it' and bring witnesses, and the police would have to come and testify against you," he said. "The same should go for prisoners who are being subjected to this horrendous long-term confinement." Mills claims he has "tracked a pattern of prisoners being sent to Tamms because of them filing grievances or lawsuits and being jailhouse lawyers."


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The CIA, BFEE, Dixie Mafia & American Drug Lords
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 24, 2008 2:05 AM   
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The biggest illegal drug running organization on the planet is the United States Government and its private contractors. See for example: Bush ,Clinton and Cocaine.

Most of the people in US prisons are there because of offenses related to drugs. We have a government which has been systematically undermined by a nefarious cult similar in structure to the Freemasons. It may, or may not be properly called the Illuminati. They deal in both illegal drugs and the maintenance of prisons.

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» RE: The CIA, media watching Posted by: Lauren
» RE: The CIA, media watching Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal
Crimethiner Irving's Account of his Solitary Confinement
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 24, 2008 2:24 AM   
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From the article: The effects of such extended periods of isolation on prisoners' physical and mental health, their chances of meaningful rehabilitation, and, ultimately, on the communities to which they will eventually return are coming under increasing fire, from lawyers, human rights advocates and the medical professionals who have treated them.

David Irving: Human memory is like an onion, I have decided. Once you have peeled off one skin and written it down, you realize the next time you look that there was another layer of forgotten memories just beneath it.

As I lay one night in my two-foot-wide cot alone in Cell 19, in “C” Block in the notorious “Landl”, the grim Josefstadt prison, built in the center of Vienna in 1839, listening to the dim sounds of the hausarbeiter [janitor] cleaning the tiled corridor on the other side of the six-inch-thick strongroom-type door separating me from the outside world, I found I had suddenly recalled the next tranche [block] of names in my class list at Brentwood School, nearly 60 years before.

It must have been 3 a.m. I had no clock or watch, or radio or television, with which to judge the time. Just blank walls, with a few snapshots of my children. I still had each name’s corresponding face in my memory, but the faces have also aged so I would not recognize them instantly today.
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Irving's "crime"? He awaits disputation on the things he is obligated to believe.

Dark Ages are shaking the dead.

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It's not just supermax
Posted by: Mercury46 on Mar 24, 2008 2:48 AM   
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Craig Haney (who worked with Philip Zimbardo on the famous Stanford prison experiment) wrote a paper describing the psychological efects of incarceration in regular prisons.

Last year I had the opportunity to tour a maximum security prison in central Illinois. Many of the inmates there are kept on lockdown for 23 hours a day, and the "exercise yards" are just cell-sized pads of concrete surrounded on all sides by a cage. While not a true supermax prison, my impression of the maximum security block is that conditions aren't far from it.

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Business As Usual
Posted by: ot on Mar 24, 2008 4:01 AM   
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This article reflects the typical liberal mindset of having more compassion for criminal perpetrators than their victims.

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What about the other side?
Posted by: Intraspecto on Mar 24, 2008 4:07 AM   
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Now, I know I am going to catch some flak for this, but be realistic.

The Supermax prisons were NOT designed for people who commit petty crimes. They were designed to hold some of humanities most vile people who have committed terrible crimes against their fellow human beings. These include rapists, mass murderers, repeated child molesters, and people who would kill you just as soon as blink.

Yes, we need prison reform. Yes, having people in prison for petty drug crimes is f'd up. But what a person has to do (normally) to get into a Supermax is serious crime. They deserve to be there because of their actions.

Having said that, I think that we need to have prison reform, but leave the violent criminals in Supermax, or condemn them to death.

While my statements may seem harsh, the world outside of a simple criminal and a simple and kind justice system do not exist. People need to have a clear message sent, if you choose to commit a crime of a certain level of magnitude, you will be punished accordingly.

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cruel and unusual punishment is unconstitutional, but the Norman-English monarchy is in charge these
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 24, 2008 4:26 AM   
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days. How do you think a monarchy survives for more than 900 years? (Elizabeth II is a direct descendant of William the Conquerer.) By influence peddling and using law for criminal purposes.

When prisons were a function of government and not commerce, there was no need for an ever expanding prison population and a permanent criminal underclass. Now there is a profit in every prisoner.

That helps to explain why one of my sons was held for a week in a former pig farm due to mistaken identity. Same relatively common name, yes, but my son was two inches shorter than the wanted criminal and didn't have any tatoos at all so he never should have spent one day in that hellhole. (An experience like this should happen to the poster "ot" above.)

I'm really finding it hard to write on this distressing topic. Man's inhumanity to man seems boundless.

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Cruel and Inhumane
Posted by: Urstrly on Mar 24, 2008 4:25 AM   
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Several years ago, I traveled to Albany, NY, to protest the Rockefeller Drug Laws, which incarcerate a disproportionate number of African Americans and Latinos. We divided into groups to visit lawmakers, and I met several women whose husbands or other relatives were incarcerated under these laws.

One woman in our group was married to a man who was in what in NY is called a SHU, single holding unit if I'm not mistaken. Sounds like the same kind of facility that is being used in Illinois. From her we learned that NY had overbuilt SHUs so that prisoners with no record of abuse were forced to occupy them. Our prisons are overcrowded, so every space must be filled. Once a prisoner is in a SHU, there is no contact with family or attorney. She knew where her husband was because a fellow prisoner had contacted her, and she was trying to get him moved.

While I know there are dangerous prisoners, there seems to be no constitutional justification for isolating human beings this way. Mentally ill prisoners need treatment. It's easy to see how these conditions could drive anyone over the edge.

The "War on Drugs" desensitized us to the humanity of the people who were caught up in trafficking. Now the "War on Terror" has further rationalized the extension of extreme measures. By acquiescing to this brutality, we sacrifice not only our principles but our humanity.

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» THIS MAKES IT CLEAR Posted by: fearn
Storage, data, concentration, and other kinds
Posted by: talkville on Mar 24, 2008 5:32 AM   
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These are ware-houses of surplus labor, beginning of course with those that have "rights", to those who have rights and ending, in mere symbolic 'threat' form with those who have Privileges.

The Warehousing Sector for the Corporate State and Church, allied closely with the Media Sector, the Educational Sector, the Legal Sector, the Medical and Mental Health Sector, etc. A well-ordered, structurally and architecturally 'perfect' and 'elegant' Fascist Regime representing, of course, a 'democratic society' complete with Rights (alienable and diminishable), Liberties (alienable, negative, and impotent) and an automated Pursuit of Happiness within designed channels and careers. And not Justice, really, but "American Justice", as if a Predicate could somehow enhance, rather than anihilate, the Noun.

In our present conditions, another Noun has been rendered empty and meaningless: People (as in "We the..."

If one studies very carefully any national or trans-national corporation in particular or the structure of any particular branch of the Military, there is very little, if any, difference between that and the "public" realm we are each and all living in.

Complete with "Protest Pens" for those of us who happen not to like it. Unfortunately, there seems to quite a number of those who are perfectly content with 'things as they are'. So far.

Meanwhile, the Prison Industry is busily expanding and doing quite well on Wall Street. "Build them and they will come". If they don't, we can just write laws to 'stimulate' this infernal economy.

These self-styled very bad, shallow and superficial Pragmatic readers of Nietzsche don't much concern themselves with such sentimental drivel as 'cruelty'. There's a World to conquer. And what a 'humane' way to render the Opposition impotent and ineffectual? For one, put 'em in a Warehouse; they're just inconvenient and troublesome annoyances in this quest for the Great Solution.

Ask Cheney. The other day I saw him being interviewed and when asked his response to the numerous poll data showing various degrees of negative views related to his and his co-president's policies, he responded very bluntly and simply: "So?"

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freedom and incarceration
Posted by: QCao009 on Mar 24, 2008 5:46 AM   
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As a country and society, we have been going down this slippery slope from our very beginning with the incarceration of free people on reservations and the usage of slaves on plantations. While we have been making progress in one direction, we have regressed in others, namely the incarceration of minor drug possessions, DUIs and mentally ill patients.

Any time you have a structure where one human being is allowed to lord and control over others, there is room for abuse, torture and bad treatment. There are enough anecdotes like the one depicted in the article to make their occurence no longer an exception, but a rule, but to truly have prison reform, we must first have criminal justice reform. To have justice we have to change the mindset of our political leaders who do not think that human rights and citizen rights are important. Until we replace a whole generation of corrupt leaders like Dick Cheney and George Bush who think they are above the law, nationally and internationally, our justice system will continue to tolerate Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and Tamms. "Fighting them over there so we do not have to fight them" here is faulty and deceitful logic, considering that the people who torture are now in the White House. All our citizens are in danger, not just those who are incarcerated.

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Rather than copy the US model
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Mar 24, 2008 5:51 AM   
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other countries should demand a full investigation into the treatment of our prisoners and the reasons for their incarceration and hold US Lawmakers accountable and demand an end to torture. Denying a man or a woman the things that he or she deems necessary for spiritual uplifting must be one of the worst sort of crimes a nation could perpetuate upon it's people. Shame. If you are a reader from another country, I would urge you to write your leadership and tell them of America's Human Right's abuses. We stand here condemning China while our people are locked up for petty offenses, and it seems to become the standard to allow private contractors free reign in the abusing.

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Supermaxes shorten the life of prisoners
Posted by: daw13 on Mar 24, 2008 6:42 AM   
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Prisons are becoming more and more sophisticated at removing inconvenient people from society. Has little to do with crime and everything to do with race. As a sociologist it has always been curious to me that no major study of the correlation between imprisonment and longevity exists. Should be easy enough to do. But the big funding agencies seem disinterested.

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Money, it's a gas, grab that cash with both hands and make a stash.
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 24, 2008 7:06 AM   
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When in doubt, follow the money. Private prison corporations? How are they doing these days? What's the cost-plus contract for building and operating a supermax facility vs. a normal one?

Let's take CXW: Corrections Corporation of America. Their top shareholders (out of 245) are:

FMR LLC (FIDELITY)
RS Investment Management Co., LLC
Wesley Capital Management, LLC
FRIESS ASSOCIATES INC
VANGUARD GROUP, INC. (THE)
Ameriprise Financial, Inc.
JANA PARTNERS LLC
Barclays Global Investors UK Holdings Ltd

"Private prisons are the biggest business in the prison industry complex. . .Private prisons receive a guaranteed amount of money for each prisoner, independent of what it costs to maintain each one...

According to Russell Boraas, a private prison administrator in Virginia, ‘the secret to low operating costs is having a minimal number of guards for the maximum number of prisoners.’...

According to a study of New Mexico prisons, it was found that CCA inmates lost ‘good behavior time’ at a rate eight times higher than those in state prisons,” she added.


So, that explains supermax corporate prisons - keeps prison guard labor costs low and profits high. On the other hand, every prisoner on the books represents a guaranteed taxpayer-funded handout - explaining why corporate prisons are reluctant to grant time off for good behavior.

The #2 private prison corporation used to be Wackenhut, but due to bad pubicity, that global security company spun off their prison section into something called "The GEO Group". Top shareholders (out of 167):

FMR LLC (FIDELITY)
ALGER (FRED) MANAGEMENT INC
WELLS FARGO & COMPANY
FIDELITY SMALL CAP STOCK FUND
Wells Fargo Advantage Small Cap
FRIESS ASSOCIATES INC
Barclays Global Investors UK Holdings Ltd
SCHRODER INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT GROUP
VANGUARD GROUP, INC.

According to their website, GEO provides correctional facilities, detention centers, and "mental health services facilities" (think: Soviet state psychiatric hospitals), all ready to go.

This is a hot growth area as the economy plummets, according to Forbes report on the #3 private prison corp: Cornell Corporation: Jailhouse Rock! 2008.

So, that's the private prison business for you - part of the total prizatization agenda described in Naomi Klein's Shock Doctrine.

This results in all kinds of distortions - for example, if we release all non-violent drug offenders, these private prisons will suffer a loss of about 20-25% of their inmates (i.e. their profits).

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You Make a Very Good Case for Capital Punishment
Posted by: Bezukhov on Mar 24, 2008 8:43 AM   
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It’s true that killers and rapists who face a life in these conditions, or most of a lifetime, should be released from this misery by a prompt execution. Well said!

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dasq
Posted by: dasq on Mar 24, 2008 9:45 AM   
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"....the CIA is the largest drug dealer in the world,and has been for decades...."

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» Drug dealers Posted by: Cathyc
CHILDREARING AND THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX
Posted by: caru on Mar 24, 2008 10:18 AM   
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if you are interested in the prison system, please read FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, By Alice Miller. she outlines in amazing detail how child rearing techniques created the third reich.

these techniques are continually being used on people and those people become soldiers or prison guards or presidents. the parents who time out and isolate and abuse their children with child rearing techniques are only creating people who can step right into systems of control like our current prison industrial complex -- hey it is just like their childhood, how can their be anything wrong with it ... prison guards were once little kids being kicked around by tough love parents.

clearly we are creating this system because it lives in so many childhoods.

i offer my compasion to those who hold others in isolation or use techniques of control and abuse --- they must have deep wounds which allow them to totally disregard their humanity. they have wounds that allow them to continually wound others.

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America, America.........
Posted by: Ivann on Mar 24, 2008 10:27 AM   
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Americans are so in the face patriotic & proud of their country (witness the flagpole on every second house), yet seem completely incapable of seeing the dark side of their society. The conditions described in this article (denied by no one) are reminiscent of the dungeons of medieval Europe. I won't comment of the racial aspects of it all. Add to that the ongoing wars which the USA perpetrates on the rest of the world & the recent blithe acceptance of torture in its many forms. Regarding the upcoming November election, I would be willing to bet the ranch that, despite the criminality of the present administration, neither Mrs. Clinton (a woman) nor Mr. Obama (a black man, although in reality he is half white), has a snowball's chance in hell of being elected to the Presidency. Why? Because of sheer prejudice! Instead the good citizens of the US will place their faith in some gung-ho war-mongering 70 year old of limited intelligence, who is a survivor (?) of cancer. An unlikely survivor of a 4-year term. The rest of the world shakes its head in disbelief. I know someone on this blog will say - who cares what the rest of the world thinks, like it or lump it. But I am afraid that the day will come, perhaps in the not too far distant future, when Americans will realise that they do not own the planet & are in fact part of the world community. As probably the most powerful nation, the USA has a responsibility to lead; hopefully soon it will come to its senses & do so.

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two wrongs do not make a right.
Posted by: rafaeltoral on Mar 24, 2008 10:41 AM   
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especially when the wrong that got that person to prison might of been some bullshit drug law. If they did commit a real crime they should be imprisoned, but this gives us no right to mistreat
them.

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just don't feed the trolls
Posted by: zooeyhall on Mar 24, 2008 11:44 AM   
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it only encourages them.

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It's not just Supermax indeed
Posted by: meria on Mar 24, 2008 12:49 PM   
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Prisons for profit are everywhere, and the smaller the town, the worse the torture inside. Families made to feel like criminals, usuary is the only way to describe their phone system; inhumane visitation, no rehabiliation.....what happens in Gitmo doesn't stay in Gitmo.
Love to interview the author of this article
Meria
www.Meria.net

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The Prisons are a mere symptom...
Posted by: aussidawg on Mar 24, 2008 1:13 PM   
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of a far bigger problem. Sure, supermax prisons are cruel, but perhaps we need to be looking at a bigger issue. Just why is it that there are millions of US in prison in the first place, yet those such as Bu$h, the Wallstreet robbers, and the others of the wealthy criminal class get to perpetualy enjoy their lives of crime without fear of punishment? There are two separate legal systems in this country One for the wealthy, and one for us. I just recently saw an article posted on "The Smirking Chimp" where a man in Sacramento, California was given 28 years to life for STEALING A WEEDEATER! Yet Bu$h has started a war that was entirely based on lies and has killed over 4000 American kids, maimed another 100,000+, and killed over ONE MILLION Iraqi civilians, yet Bu$h faces nothing for this massive crime. Why can a Wallstreet subprime mortgage broker defraud thousands of poor potential homebuyers, bring the US financial system to the brink of colapse, and get nothing but a bailout from taxpayers when the loans come back to bite him in the ass, while one of US goes to prison for years upon years for possessing a mood altering substance deemed unacceptable by the elite? This is the issue we need to be dealing with, the hell with debate! Once this is settled, the issue of cruel prisons will settle itself. After all...the rich most certainly won't settle for one of their own sitting in a cell for 23 hours a day. Why that would be inhuman!

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it's heartening to see that so many people "get it"--the next step?
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 24, 2008 1:58 PM   
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Genuinely independent grand juries are a doable option. As long as the jurors are selected impartially, they will have moral legitimacy.

Somone has already "impeached" or "indicted" Bush (can't remember her name) but an at least 40 strong jury randomly selected and therefore representative of the citizenry needs to consider the evidence.

What happened in San Diego some time back (involving Ron Paul?) was self-selective and therefore not credible.

No real cost involved in this, just some organization and genuine fair play.

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Angela Davis on the Prison-Industrial Complex
Posted by: fanny666 on Mar 24, 2008 2:49 PM   
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Angela Davis on the Prison-Industrial Complex

(mp3 lecture)

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The Reason
Posted by: desidid on Mar 24, 2008 3:18 PM   
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these prisoners are kept in confinement for those 23 hours a day is because there are far more prisoners than guards. I watch Lockdown on MSNBC sometimes and it amazes me we don't have more guards killed everyday in this country. I can't believe that people take jobs where they are outnumbered by 100 to 1. But with those odds the only way to manage violent criminals is to limit your exposure to them. Unfortunately those who go to Supermax prisons have a violent history in maximum security prisons. My fear is we are moving towards a day when we have death camps to house those awaiting their death sentence. I think you can judge a nation on the way they treat their ill, children, and criminals. We have too many kids in adult prisons, with little in the way of rehabilitation. We have too many of our mentally ill doing time because we have so few long term mental facilities. And finally we should offer job training before prison, but we have got to give people options once they go to prison. Otherwise, we pay as a society.

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» NOT SO Posted by: fearn
"How did our prison system become so cruel? "
Posted by: Quannah on Mar 24, 2008 5:30 PM   
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One word: Privatization!

There's money to be made in cruelty.
Shame on us for allowing this to occur.

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Warehousing of prisoners....cruel and unusual
Posted by: herbal on Mar 24, 2008 6:54 PM   
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This treatment should be called nothing but "cruel" in order to ensure that this is not 'normalized' behavior on the part of the courts.

This is clearly un-Constitutional as it is cruel and, until now, unusual. The unusual is rapidly being redefined as usual, so time is of the essence. Legal challenges need to be mounted soon to counter this kind of dehumanization. Also, victimless crimes need to be exempted from max-security prisons altogether. If it were not for the stigma of drug crimes that are certainly the least disruptive of society notwithstanding the Drug Wars, victimless crimes would have entered the realm of traffic violations as legal infractions rather than remaining misdemeanors and felonies.

The lesson here is for all progressives to not resist jury duty and realize that juries are under no obligation to follow judges orders and instructions to the jury. Get on the juries and acquit all non-victim crimes.

Also realize that insurance companies in damage claims are given protection of the courts. Insurance companies defend their clients and if the word insurance company comes up in court as nistrial is called. Yes, juries are prevented from knowing that insurance companies are involved in the trial or that the defendants are insured.

Also, realize that white collar crime is coddled and jury members need to go for maximum penalties. In China, the executives who are responsible for death by negligence, like the Firestone Ford SUVs, are guilty of a capital crime just the same as an inner city hold-up murder. If corporate executives are convicted and face Maxiprisons, you damn better knwo they will be reformed. Elimination of Leona Helmsley country club prisons will lead to reform in a hurry.

What is the ACLU doing? As soon as the war is over, we can better confront these domestic issues. Alas, the candidates do not inspire confidence that anything will change in foreign relations policy to provide the time to concentrate on domestic atrocities and rollback of the Constitution following the destruction of the New Deal. It is a corporatist day; a fascist ideal in control of a unitary
Administration and castration of Congress.

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» NOT SO. Posted by: fearn
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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 24, 2008 7:07 PM   
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We don't have to allow torture.

Direct Democracy

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It's what you make of it
Posted by: Landbaron on Mar 24, 2008 7:16 PM   
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Talents are developed in solitude. I've seen stories of people coming out preachers (knowing the bible inside out), comedians, card sharks, learn languages, study law, musicians. On the outside you're too busy earning a living to have time for that stuff. If being alone bothers someone that much they should stay out of jail. If I had to be in jail that's how I would want it, 23/1 and not have to mingle with the other lowlifes that are in there.

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» ARE YOU KIDDING?? Posted by: fearn
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» RE: ARE YOU KIDDING?? Posted by: Landbaron
LEAVE EM THERE OR EXECUTE THEM
Posted by: mindtrvlr on Mar 24, 2008 9:38 PM   
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The scum that are sent to supermax prisons are the worst of the worst, and belong there. They are not some poor ole kid caught smoking pot on the street corner. Most are serial killers, rapists, cop killers, bank robbers, etc.

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truth about prison and justce
Posted by: martius on Mar 25, 2008 4:41 AM   
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There is no way in this country to defend yourself if you are accused of a crime. We have more people in prison in this country then any other country including China. As for our drug laws, which were ment for large dealers but are being used to lock up people that are addicted or under conspiracy, lock up those that are near them, you can not lock up a disease. We have grandmothers in prison because there grandson came to visit, or lived with them. They want family members to testify against family members. Prison is our number one business in our country. Look how many people would be out of work. The officers that are employed by the prison system are barely high school graduates. The food that they serve is uneatable, there is no medical treatment. We need to look into who is behind all of the prison system in this country. Now we have prisons for profit. How do I know this, because I was a federal inmate. I was almost killed on the operating table by an incompetent doctor. They hire the lowest bidder. the medical prison for women is nothing more then cruel and unusual punishment. women die there every week, and the same with the men's. There are those that belong in prison for violent crimes, if they truly did it, but look at all those that D.N.A. has freed, and those we don't know about who have been executed. Someone please check out what is really going on in the prison system.