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Torture Sours U.S.-Canadian Right-Wing Lovefest

By Sarah Anderson, AlterNet. Posted January 29, 2007.


Stephen Harper, Canada's conservative prime minister, campaigned on strengthening ties with the Bush administration. But the love affair has ended over the American "rendition" of a Canadian citizen to Syria.
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A U.S. Ambassador lashed out against a foreign official last week for standing up to the Bush administration -- and it wasn't against Hugo Chavez or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or any of the other usual suspects.

It was Canadian Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day -- a fundamentalist creationist, anti-abortion, anti-gay rights hawk who once spoke at a "Canadians for Bush" rally. At the onset of the Iraq war, he published a pro-Bush letter in the Wall Street Journal with Stephen Harper, who would become Canada's prime minister in 2006. Day and Harper blasted their own government's opposition to the U.S. invasion and lauded the Bush administration's "fundamental vision of civilization and human values."

That conservative lovefest is now over. Last week Day and U.S. Ambassador to Canada David Wilkins exchanged the most hostile tit-for-tat to date over the case of Maher Arar. In 2002, U.S. authorities detained Arar, a Canadian citizen, at JFK airport. After accusing him of having links to al Qaeda, they sent him to Syria, where he was tortured for nearly a year before being released without charge.

After an exhaustive inquiry, an independent Canadian commission cleared Arar of any terrorist ties last fall. On Jan. 26, the Ottawa government announced it would apologize for its role in the debacle and compensate Arar to the tune of about U.S. $8.5 million, plus legal fees.

But while the Canadian government has now admitted that Arar is indeed the innocent computer engineer and father of two he always said he was, the Bush administration continues to insist that Arar belongs on its "no-fly" list of terrorism suspects. This has meant that Arar, who spent 10 months in a gravelike underground cell, continues to live under a cloud of secret accusations.

Despite his ideological affinity for President Bush, Prime Minister Harper has not been oblivious to the fact the U.S. government is about as popular among Canadians today as it was when the Americans invaded in the War of 1812. In October, he was moved to ring up Bush and ask him to "come clean" about the Arar affair. He even went so far as to ask that Bush acknowledge "the deficiencies and inappropriate conduct that occurred in this case." That, of course, was as likely as the president admitting to shirking his National Guard duties during the Vietnam War.

The most U.S. Justice Department officials offered to do was brief the Canadians on the dirt they supposedly had gathered about Arar from their own sources. When this finally occurred last week, Stockwell Day, Canada's version of our Homeland Security chief, promptly declared it bogus.

"We've looked at all their information and there is nothing that materially changes our position," Day told reporters. "Mr. Arar is not a threat, nor is his family."

That provoked Ambassador Wilkins to spout that it was "presumptuous for him to say who the United States can and cannot allow into our country."

Day's direct contradiction of U.S. officials was indeed a bit of a shocker in the relatively calm history of U.S.-Canadian diplomacy. Yes, there was that flamboyant Pierre Trudeau who ticked off Nixon by chumming around with Castro, but he and the American Cold Warrior in chief were natural adversaries. When Bush can no longer count on alter egos like Day and Harper, you know something is seriously amiss.

It's funny, though, how a strong desire to cover one's legal behind can trump all other interests, be they ideological, economic or moral. And Maher Arar is suing the U.S. government for violating protections in our own laws against torture. The case was dismissed on national security grounds a year ago, but an ongoing appeal could get a boost if the Bush administration were to admit that Arar is not a threat.

Given the executive branch's self-interest in stonewalling, the best hope for Maher Arar lies in the U.S. Congress. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., now chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, recently lacerated Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, saying it was "beneath the dignity of this country, a country that has always been a beacon of human rights, to send somebody to another country to be tortured [Video]" On the House side, Edward Markey, D-Mass., has introduced a bill that would ban altogether the practice of "extraordinary rendition," or sending detainees to countries known for routinely practicing torture, like Syria.

Now they should crank up the heat by thumbing their noses at the "no-fly" list and flying themselves to Canada to take testimony directly from Arar. They should also consult with Justice Dennis O'Connor, who headed the Canadian government's commission on the case, and other Canadian officials. This would be a powerful statement to the world that the Bush administration will not stand in the way of their efforts to seek the truth. It's too late to prevent the nightmare endured by Maher Arar and other victims of torture caused by the Bush administration. But it's not too late to prevent other young men from the same fate.

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Sarah Anderson is a fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies in Washington, D.C.

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Dang!
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jan 29, 2007 2:26 AM   
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Harper was supposed to our back-up poodle in case the other one didn't work out.

The only good thing about Harper is that the Canadians can't bash us for picking crappy leaders. Eh?...

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More an indication of how much Harper's strings are being played by identity politics
Posted by: Bobsays on Jan 29, 2007 3:16 AM   
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Canada is the identity politics nirvana of the world. And even an arch conervative like Harper - who has a minority government - has to eventuall dance to their tune. That is why he is over-looking Arar's contacts with terrorists. The Canadian government wants to give the guy $10 million to keep quiet.

Canada is just showing how weak the country is and how reliant it is on the US to protect it from terrorists.

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» Thanks for that one, HeroesAll; Posted by: CanuckKid
» what list of terrorism in Canada?!? Posted by: off-the-radar 2
Leahy
Posted by: dannrusso on Jan 29, 2007 3:27 AM   
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Maybe someone should start a Leahy for president campaign...his heart and his balls are in the right place...

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» RE: Leahy or...? Posted by: Jayzer
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Arar Case Leads to Bogus Fued
Posted by: goodsensecynic on Jan 29, 2007 3:30 AM   
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Mr. Harper leads a minority government that can be brought down at any time by a united opposition. He also bears the burden of being perceived as the monkey to Mr. Bush's organ-grinder. So, it is in his interest to distance himself from Mr. Bush as the US leader becomes even more unpopular and Mr. Harper faces a general election, probably later this year.

To use the Arar case as the precipitating factor in a nasty debate with the US administration is therefore a convenient ruse. It allows Mr. Harper to stand up to the Republican leadership while risking no material consequence.

The resulting rhetorical hissy-fit in no way alters Mr. Harper's agreement with Mr. Bush on most issues of domestic public policy or on matters of national security and foreign affairs. The movement for continental integration will proceed apace. The corporate agenda will retain full support. And, while Mr. Harper has been compelled by public opinion to fake a concern for the environment, no one with the wit to flip a light switch seriously believes he has had a change of heart on global warming, the attack on Iraq or any other substantial topic of interest.

Mr. Harper and his Conservative Party were, are, and will continue to be nothing other than "Republican Lite." The Arar side-show is being staged for narrowly partisan purposes. In reality, Mr. Harper and Mr. Day could not care less about Mr. Arar; they merely fear the backlash from the Canadian electorate. Playing the Arar card is a cheap and safe way to pretend to be different from their soul-mates to the south, while marching lock-step with "the armies of the night."

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» Bingo! Posted by: CanuckKid
Canada Must Be Stopped
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jan 29, 2007 3:31 AM   
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The damned Canadians need to be taught a lesson they'll never forget! Let's invade the entire country and turn it into a parking lot. How dare any of them question the moral certainty of our great and good commander-in-chief, George W. Bush!

My brother, Pete, lives in Toronto and he's never been the same since living there. It's an evil country, filled with evil, vicious foreigners - Foreigners, I tells ya! Sure, they try to appear to be so nice and sensible - but it's all an act! We need to bring freedom and democracy to the people of Canada. We cannot afford to have a government so at odds with all that is good and decent with American values so close to our boarders. We must give President Bush the powers to pre-empively invade that country for its own good. The twisted ideology of the Canadian people, if not put in checked immediately, can only spill over to our great nation. It might not happen today or next month - or maybe even next year - but of this you may be absolutely certain: it will happen. Be prepared, America.

We can save Canada from itself and, so help us, we will. They need to be taught a lesson they'll never forget.

See you at the boarder, kids!

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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"Conservative" doesn't necessarily mean "Neocon"
Posted by: colinmeister on Jan 29, 2007 3:57 AM   
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The description "Conservative" has been hijacked by radio windbags like Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Reilly to mean blind support of President Bush II and his neocon cronies. Elsewhere in the world, "Conservative" has a very different meaning.

In Canada, conservative politicians have every right to disagree with the Bush way of doing things, after all, they have no reason to be Bush loyalists.

In the UK, David Cameron's Conservatives are actually concerned about the National Health Service and global warming. Tony Blair, supposedly leader of a Socialist party, is Bush's foreign policy lap dog.

Once again, political labels have a different meaning in the USA from what they mean elsewhere. Even the colours are contradictory - maybe we SHOULD fear "Reds under the bed" in America at this time?

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Benefit of a Parliamentary System
Posted by: The_Curmudgeon on Jan 29, 2007 5:00 AM   
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Previous correspondents have commented on Stephen Harper leading a minority government, and the resulting "ease" with which he could stand up to the US on the Arar scandal since he is going to have to go to the polls within 12 months anyway.

To a limited extent, the writers are correct but the fact is that Harper's government is currently in a dead heat with the Liberals in the latest polls and the last thing he wants or needs right now is an election. The Conservative Party, having been hijacked by faux neo-cons and religious fundamentalist wingnuts, is in disarray. For the first time since Trudeau, the Liberals are relatively united. The Bloc Quebecois has been marginalised which means that it is likely that many one-time BQ voters in Quebec will return to their Liberal Party roots.

Harper, who has mostly been a Blair-like syncophant to Bush, had no choice -- morally or politically -- but to stand up to the US over the Arar incident. It was neither an act of courage nor a step towards independent action on the part of the Canadian PM. His religious fundamentalism would not give him shelter from ignoring the US' horrid treatment of an innocent man; his political precariousness and the massive public support of Arar (and equally massive hatred of Bush) gave him no wiggle room.

Still, there is an element of "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" in the Harper government's finger waving at the US over Arar. People should not forget that it is Harper who changed the mission of Canadian Forces (what the Army, Navy and Air Force is called) from "peacekeepers" to war fighters.

Meanwhile, the tide of foreigners wanting to live in Canada is swelled by the roughly 8,000 US applications a month for permanent residency. The pre-Bush, historical rate of monthly applications from the States was about 2,500. I should know: I am an American who fled to Canada, a country that is generously hospitable to people of all colours, faiths (or lack thereof) and political views.

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Marked for Destruction
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jan 29, 2007 5:22 AM   
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Canada will vote these clowns out before the term is up. Like the 'Progressive Conservatives' before them, they are out of step with the wishes and will of most Canadians. When the truth about the environmental destruction going on digging the tar sands for oil gets fully known, even the western Canadians will abandon the CONservatives. The end product, the cause of massive pollution and environmental destruction, goes to the US to fuel pick'em'ups for rednecks and SUVs for Jesusland Soccer Moms.

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Question ?
Posted by: itchyvet on Jan 29, 2007 5:31 AM   
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quote;
"ban altogether the practice of "extraordinary rendition," or sending detainees to countries known for routinely practicing torture, like Syria."
Unquote.

Um, did I miss something here ?
I was under the impression Syria was part of the Axis Of Evil, right ?
So how come Bush is sending them his Terrorist suspects for torture ?
Sounds awfully suss to me.

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» RE: Question ? Posted by: babs
» RE: Question ? Posted by: ALANHESTER
HARPER!! I KNOW YOUR READING THIS!! GET THAT SHIP OUT OF THE GULF!!!
Posted by: xbj on Jan 29, 2007 7:02 AM   
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PM Harper... I know you're reading this. Get ALL Canadian ships OUT OF THE GULF IMMEDIATELY, Israel IS READY TO masqeurade as Iran and SINK ONE WITH ALL ABOARD!!!

If you DO NOT DO THIS, and TODAY, you will have the blood of ALL THOSE MEN ON YOUR HANDS. And NO ONE ELSE'S.

Your PEOPLE don't want military involvement with the US. Your GOVERNMENT doesn't want military involvement with the US.

GET THAT SHIP (OR THOSE SHIPS) HOME NOW!!!

I realize the extent of your problem. I KNOW you're being blackmailed, and how. I KNOW that US black ops are the source of Mad Cow in BC and throughout Canada. I KNOW US black ops attacked sheep in Saskatchewan with ANTRAX. I KNOW US black ops attacked the Orient AND ONLY TORONTO with S.A.R.S. I KNOW US black ops masquerading as "Al Qaeda" in the US goaded, supported, and CONNED those poor Islamic kids into AN IMPOSSIBLE PLAN to harm you. AS IF.

I know US black ops USED THE SAME TACTIC ON GREAT BRITIAN, ATTACKING THE ISLAND WITH MAD COW PRIONS back in the early 90's when they FIRST CONCOTED their NAZI scheme to take over the US and then the Mideast, and then run a ONE-WORLD GOVERNMENT centered in DC.

I KNOW this. I know YOU KNOW it.

But guess what? NOW EVERYONE WITH HALF A BRAIN HAS THE "AHA" MOMENT, and KNOWS IT TOO.

Get those troops AND THAT SHIP OUT OF THE GULF A.S.A.P., or reap China's AND Russia's scalar and ALL-OUT NUCLEAR RETAILATION for the US-CANADIAN "retaliatory" attempt to nuke Iran.

You say you are a Christian. READ your Revelations. READ Hal Lindsey. HOW ELSE DOES CHINA GET KNOCKED BACK TO THE 12th CENTURY, to ride into Armageddon with a 200 million man army ON MONGOLIAN HORSEBACK, WITH SWORDS? [There weren't even 200 million PEOPLE on earth, PERIOD when Revelations was written. And all earliest manuscripts show that number, it wasn't beefed up later.]

The end result of an all-out nuclear/pulse war with the US is the ONLY THING THAT COULD DO THAT. WHAT ELSE COULD CAUSE SUCH A MONUMENTOUS throwback TO THE STONE AGE?

Be SMART. Stand up to the US black ops and Bush. TAKE CANADA OUT OF THIS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

I'M BEGGING YOU.

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The US uses 60% of Canadian fossil fuel resources...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jan 29, 2007 7:52 AM   
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Yes - and under the Bush Doctrine... or was it the Carter Doctrine... or the Truman Doctrine?... Well, anyway, we need to use our military to secure fossil fuel resources - and while that's the reason for the Iraq war, it's worth remembering that Canada and Mexico are the #1 importers to the US; this is why Bush&Co. go to great lengths to install right-wing Bush-friendly types in both countries - Calderon in Mexico and Harper in Canada.

Otherwise, we'd have to invade Canada - aren't there Canadian terrorists up there, with weapons of mass destruction, just itching for an excuse for martyrdom - hey! they've got a whole fleet of crop duster planes up there... the "Globe and Mail" is reporting that they are Lethal Weapons...

Not only that, they've got some massive microbiology facilities already built... they say it's for 'cellulosic ethanol production', but it's actually a biological warfare facility - that's reliable intelligence, people - and when you put that together with the crop dusters - why, half the United States could be wiped out within 24 hours! This facility must be taken out immediately - call up Bush and demand that he launch cruise missles!

Look at these Canadian troops massing in Quebec! We have no choice but to invade, and we'll probably have to divide the country up along sectarian lines - just to keep the simmering civil war between the Quebecois and the Albertans from escalating into full-scale violence; of course the first thing to do will be to sieze the Alberta Tar Sands - to keep the terrorists from blowing them up, of course.

After all, we have no ambitions in Canada - we're just trying to spread democracy and fight terrorism! Plus, think of how destabilizing to the global economy it would be if those Canadian terrorists gained control of all those natural resources - they must be stopped.

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Send the Bush Admin. to the Hague:
Posted by: PT Alden on Jan 29, 2007 8:54 AM   
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This video shows Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont ripping Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new asshole over this case, (to which I say; "Yeah! Sen. Leahy!)

The infuriating thing about the video are the fucking smarmy looks Gonzales gives while being lambasted, as if he's saying; "I work for George W. Bush so what you Senators say and do doesn't matter."

Besides bitch-slapping the hell out of the asshole, Gonzales, he should be fired and put on trial for possible human rights abuses. I won't lower myself by saying we should fly Gonzales to Syria and let them question him for 10 months, but instead fly him to the International Criminal Court in The Hague to stand trial.

And once we've impeached Bush and Cheney we should send them to the Hague, along with Ashcroft, Addington, Rice, and Powell – and anyone else who had a hand in this 'snatch and torture' scheme.

Amnesty International has already named them human rights violators and criminals, and right now I stand with Amnesty International more than I stand with my own country.

Of all the dirty shit this administration has pulled, this is the worst. If Americans were willing to look past the simplistic view fed to them by Fox News, and see these people for what they are; innocent people detained for no good reason and brutally tortured by us – they might re-think just how we're fighting this so-called "War on Terror."

As far as I can see, the real terrorists are the Bush Administration and KBR.

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"Too late?" It's already too late.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jan 29, 2007 9:16 AM   
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As long as opposition from congress to the abhorrant executive branch consists of nothing more than gutless "strongly-worded letters," non-binding amendments and impassioned rebukes at hearings, nothing will change.

The Bush crime administration doesn't give a damn about words or attitudes or public sentiment; they are a dictatorial cabal that respond only to power. That our aristocratic, oh-so-proper congress does not understand this simple fact is both an indication of their insularity and of their inability to grasp the level of lawlessness in the Bush administration. When it comes to the neocon coup, they are WAY behind the curve. And if their response to the Bush Outrage does not include impeachment, then it is too late for all of us.

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Great article for a yank
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jan 29, 2007 9:46 AM   
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... it hit all the right points about the Arar case, which should be all over US TV but has only been mentioned last week!

My fav part of this article...
in the relatively calm history of U.S.-Canadian diplomacy.

lol! Yeeeeeeaaaaaa Riiiight. Anyho', the article points out each relevant point but one, the cosy relations the Republicans have had with the Tories since Brian Mulroney/Ronald Reagan. What was the first meeting the Harper government have once elected? the one in Texas with oil interests there.

Luckily, the Harper government will be swept away within months and be nothing but a bad memory of a minority government.

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» RE: Great article for a yank Posted by: Ghoulman
Those who justify torture should think about this...
Posted by: Carl Street on Jan 29, 2007 10:23 AM   
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1. Hitler and the Nazis did not START with Auschwitz, Buchenwald, etc. -- they ramped up to it. History shows there is FAR MORE danger in trend line of currently favorable or semi-favorable circumstances going bad; than there is in a trend line of bad circumstances going good. Just because we are NOT currently at the gates of the train stations and ovens does NOT mean that we should take any refuge or comfort in the present circumstances.

2. One of the reasons the Nazis succeeded for as long as they did in operating their death camps is that they were able to conceal their existence largely because many who could have; SHOULD have known did NOT wish to know. While the Geheim Stats Polezei (GeStaPo) did curtail their revealation in some cases; the sad fact is MOST of the time such direct action was unnecessary -- anyone speaking of them was immediately shouted down by their neighbors as unpatriotic (conspiracy theorist?). To quote one German WWII patriot, "there could NOT be any such camps; for if there were it would be reported in the news". My point is that You and I do NOT and CANNOT know WHAT is REALLY being done. That, in fact, their could be pogroms, death camps, and Guantanamo COULD be an Auschwitz.

3. I wish to avoid any misunderstanding of my position -- I am neither for nor against Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Baptists, Buddhists, etc. etc. I AM in favor or rational and just treatment of ALL members of the human race regardless of their race, particular beliefs (or lack of same); philosophies, etc. Consequently, I abhor any and all injustice and do NOT believe in the popular misguided theory that injustice can be justified by circumstances. To accept this latter false precept would mean that I am NOT opposed to injustice; rather, that only I perhaps place a higher price than average on its implementation. In short , it is hypocrisy and a LIE.

4. ONLY FOOLS believe that laws are passed to persecute others. MANY Germans who cheered the persecution of the Jews early on ultimately wound up on the wrong end of Nazi tyranny themselves -- discovering too late that they, in fact, had cut their own throats. In order to ensure a safe world for myself, my family, my children, etc. I must therefore recognize at all times that ANY tyranny against ANY human being be they black, white, green, Muslim, Catholic, Jewish, Baptist, Buddhist, Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Communist, etc., etc., etc. ultimately THREATENS ME. The mere fact that my particular skin color, religious beliefs, philosophy, etc. happens to be in vogue is an accident of history; and NOT some measure of its intrinsic value. AND, it is ONLY a matter of time before one or more of those factors will become politically "unfashionable" and all that implies in terms of personal security. Thus ethical justice for all is ultimately the MOST PRACTICAL means of survival; not just some kind of pontificating moral stance.

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Thank you Canada! ...for the good Ganja...
Posted by: ignition on Jan 29, 2007 11:39 AM   
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...for the good Ganja you grow and export to the states. Otherwise we would be smoking that crap from Mexico.

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Where to from here?
Posted by: rwa on Jan 29, 2007 12:55 PM   
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Torture has nothing to do with obtaining information: torture produces the result that people will say anything to make it end. It is about subjugation, and extracting false confessions. It's about naming names and witch hunts. It's about destroying the human spirit. In occupied Iraq and Palestine, it's use is methodical, as it was in Kenya under Brittish colonial rule or Algeria under French imperialism.

President Bush says that he is fighting a war against threats to the "values of civilised nations": terror, cruelty, barbarism and extremism. He asked his interrogators to discover where these evils are. We now know the evils are orchestrated from Washington and Tel Aviv. What are we going to do about it?

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» RE: Where to from here? Posted by: bob t
Canada: Nothing to the USA but a Territory
Posted by: sofla100 on Jan 29, 2007 3:48 PM   
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Puerto Rico and Guam are the same to the USA as Canada is. The equivalent of an "unincorporated territory." From NORAD/military and NSA installations, to American Corporations, to American TV and culture, you know who is in charge. From time-to-time, America allows a little bit of dissent, understandably the Canadian politicians have to pretend they are really "Canadians" to keep the local rabble in line. But when will Canada really stand up to America?, and I am not just talking about some tough talk in Canadian newspapers nobody in America reads anyway. I mean, economic and trade sanctions, kick out the American military. Now, that what really take some guts!

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eadem mutata resurgo.....
Posted by: ekipnrut on Jan 29, 2007 3:56 PM   
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From Wiki:
The FLQ and the October Crisis During the 1960s, a violent terrorist group known as the Front de libération du Québec was formed in an effort to attain Quebec independence. In October 1970, their activities culminated in events referred to as the October Crisis when the British Trade commissioner James Cross was kidnapped along with Pierre Laporte, a provincial minister and Vice-Premier, who was murdered a few days later. Quebec Premier Robert Bourassa called for military assistance to guard government officials. Prime Minister Trudeau responded by declaring the War Measures Act to stop what was described as an "Apprehended Insurrection" by the FLQ. Critics charge that Trudeau violated civil liberties by arresting thousands of political activists without a warrant as allowed by the Act. Supporters of these measures point to their popularity at the time, and the fact that the FLQ was wiped out. Independence-minded Quebeckers would now opt for the social democratic nationalism of the Parti Québécois.
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So ...is it the 'good' Canada of 2007 being abused by the 'bad' USA ...or is it the 'bad' Canada of 1970 that polluted the political ethos of the hemisphere with fascist practices that led to the (formerly) 'good' USA succumbing to......blah,,,blah...
;o)
What a circus!!!!

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otto
Posted by: otto on Jan 29, 2007 4:13 PM   
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I guess enought has been said already, but as an American and Canadian living in Canada I think the article states too strong a case for a "real conflicdt" Here it seems more of an embarassment for government leaders, who have tried so hard to kiss Bush's behind; now they want to show they're not poodles, but that they're still behind BVush's policies - as in sending more Canadians to do more fighting in Afghanistan.

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mistawiz
Posted by: mistawiz on Jan 29, 2007 4:55 PM   
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No - they should crank up the heat still further, by going up there and personally escorting Arar into this country.

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This is getting out of hand
Posted by: Ambrose Pare on Jan 29, 2007 8:01 PM   
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Am I the only one who is starting to get the feeling something is terribly wrong?

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algodees
Posted by: algodees on Jan 30, 2007 6:47 AM   
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If the U.S. government has legitimate concerns about Mr. Arar and his family why don't they publish them so we all can see what is so scary about this guy? I think it is just that this White House cannot and will not admit to making any mistakes at all. That is the nature of the beast. If Canada and the U.S. are supposedly allies then shouldn't the American government share whatever the big secret is about Mr. Arar so that Canada can protect itself against such a villain?

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» RE: algodees Posted by: ALANHESTER
bigtime
Posted by: pnut on Jan 30, 2007 8:20 AM   
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Alternet. You and the people that put this and all other pages togeather, are the smartest people in the world. If Mr. Bush & Co. could just read this it could save the world, but you and I know they cannot. It is unbelievable the smarts of these people who put this page togeather, we could save the whole world, just by making any one who votes read the Alternet, the only requirement to vote is to read this, do you know how smart the voters would be, Mr. Bush & Co. would be in jail. Now what can we as voters do? bigtimepoolplayer

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Does anyone remember?
Posted by: Krain61 on Jan 30, 2007 9:09 PM   
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Back in the 70's the was a patent on a thing a ma bob that could be retrofitted to you carburetor and if your car got 30 miles to the gallon it would of made it possible to get over 60 miles to the gallon..The man who invented it sold the patent to the big oil companies and ended up dead..That same summer..I was very young then but I had at one time the drawing of it..It ran off your exhaust and it was at that time we hurried into fuel injection...HMMM... I wonder why..
You don't think it had to do with money do you?
Remember people who would say they only made it home because they must of been running on fumes..That's how this thing worked..I'm surprized it wasn't re-invented..
Maybe it was but just is not out in the open for fear of death..
If maybe thats whey they are checking your exhaust and maybe just maybe there only checking it to see if you have this device...Because if you do it will be evident right away because you won't be emitting that much crap into the world..
Big Brother has a plan
If I Ever Found This device Again I Would Take It To Another Country Because That Would Be The Only Way It Could Ever Be Used Here..
The rest of the world would know of our greed for cash but they would know how to save there countries..Somewhere It's out there in someones little note book..I'm sure using fuel injection it would be just as efective if the right person was working on it..

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