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Movie Mix

9/11: the Movie

By Anthony Kaufman, AlterNet. Posted April 28, 2006.


A new film, 'United 93,' is Hollywood's first big-budget take on the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. How much does it actually get right?
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The Sept. 11 attacks, it has often been noted, looked eerily similar to a Hollywood blockbuster. With Universal Pictures' "United 93," the first event-movie of the summer, we have arrived full circle.

While it may be impossible to put aside the actual catastrophic happenings of that day, that's exactly what I'd like to do for the purposes of this discussion. Forget, momentarily, the recently released transcript of flight 93's data recorder and the questions of whether it's too soon or not soon enough, respectful or exploitive. Just take a look at "United 93" -- which opens today -- for what it is: a movie, but more specifically, a gut-wrenching disaster movie, complete with regular American folks who turn into heroes and a collection of authority figures that don't know their ass from their elbow. How does this piece of media function -- as a jingoistic call to arms, or a searing indictment of power?

"United 93," in some ways, accomplishes both, following the blueprint for the disaster movie genre cultivated in the 1970s with such calamitous camp classics as "The Towering Inferno," "Earthquake" and, of course, the movie that started it all, "The Poseidon Adventure." (Is it just a coincidence that "Poseidon," Hollywood's new big-budget remake of the survival tale, opens just two weeks after "United 93"?)

The '70s disaster flicks arrived during a period of profound crisis in our nation's history, when the Vietnam War had reached the breaking point, and the government was losing its grip. (The successful release of "The Poseidon Adventure" coincided with Nixon's reelection in 1972 and the Watergate hearings in '73.) With capsized cruise liners, burning buildings and even killer bees, these films trafficked in destruction, panic and mass death. But they also showed off the indubitable spirit of disparate citizens who bonded together to keep the American Dream alive. As pop-philosopher Slavoj Zizek has said, "What fascinates me about disaster films is how circumstances of vast catastrophe suddenly bring about social cooperation."

If it sounds like right-wing pablum, it often is. The '70s disaster cycle was famous for killing off the corrupt privileged and sexually active, while the righteous and wholesome end up saved or majestically martyred. In the original "Poseidon Adventure," it is a preacher (played by Gene Hackman) and a working-class cop (Ernest Borgnine) who lead a small group of passengers to safety. That the preacher also dies doesn't diminish his stature, because -- to use President Bush's propagandistic rhetoric -- he made the "the ultimate sacrifice."

"United 93" is also a story of ordinary Americans who die in a catastrophe. And like its predecessors, the movie reflects a deep distrust of authority. In a Hollywood-created crisis, whether it's "The Towering Inferno," "Die Hard" or "United 93," you can't trust the corporate suits or military units; always stick with blue-collar stalwarts such as the renegade cop, courageous fire chief or resourceful flight attendant.

In "United 93," the governmental incompetence on display is staggering. Air-traffic operators speak of a "possible hijack" about 25 minutes before the first plane hits the World Trade Center, but like some nightmare game of telephone, the information gets passed from Command Centers to Federal Aviation Administration to Northeast Air Defense with little efficiency or clarity. According to the film, CNN knows more about the crisis than anyone in charge. For all the moving blips on the radar screens, the systems of power are totally in the dark. "How long is it going to take to get that authority?" we hear repeatedly.

This may sound like a hard-hitting criticism of our current leadership (indeed, Bush and Cheney are depicted as unreachable throughout the course of the attacks). But the film's distrust of high muckety-mucks ultimately reinforces the renegade populism of the Bush presidency -- and more widely, the American western mythology. Again, the valiant individuals on the hijacked plane have always provided the potency behind the real-life story of the doomed flight 93.


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Anthony Kaufman has written about films and the film industry for the New York Times, the Chicago Tribune and Utne Magazine.



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What about contrary information?
Posted by: oldsmobile on Apr 28, 2006 12:57 AM   
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I hate propgate any conspiracy theories here, but what of the numerous questions surrounding flight 93, such as secondary and perhaps tertiary debris fields, or even rumors of a fighter pilot having confessed to shooting the plane down?

A movie going with the official truth really strenghthens that case and closes the open questions.

I am not saying there is necessarily proof of anything, simply questions left unanswered.

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Hmm...
Posted by: midge on Apr 28, 2006 3:23 AM   
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Hmm...this article seems to imply that the movie was somewhat formulaic and laced with a subtle political message. I haven't seen the movie (and don't think I will; I'm to emotional and sensitive to make it through), but I've read a bit about it and heard a slightly different story, that the film was shot more in a documentary style that observed the events as they unfolded more than it commented on them. It seems impressive to me the way it is said to have portrayed everyone involved, from the passengers to the terrorists to the flight attendants and pilots, as ordinary people trapped in a tragic situation. Yes it ended in the passengers joining together for a revolt, but it's not as if it was added in there to make a statement, it's what actually happened (or at least what is said to have happened anyway). And I'm not sure how a deep distrust of corporate and military execs is supposed to be bad...I do not believe that when the distrust is held by hardcore, secular, white-collar progressives it's good, but when it's held by anyone else, it's right-wing populism. There are a lot of progressive populists out there too.

I'll probably get flamed for all this, but I don't think I'll be back to read it (not that anyone really cares I guess ;-) )I guess I don't really fit in here, and I've come too close to ranting too many times and don't want to spoil the discussions here by doing that (although I probably already have). I guess I just find different things important or interesting, like big news I heard yesterday about a study that revealed that more and more Americans are going at least part of the year without health insurance, and a much lower percentage of uninsured people than insured people are getting things like colon screenings and mammograms. And the fact that the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota has an 80-90 percent unemployment rate and a life expectancy of about 59 years. And that many people in the country and the world are going hungry. I thought there was only one progressive movement but maybe not. I'm not one on labels and artificial divides, but it seems from all the arguments I see that there are differing groups among the left that sometimes experience friction, such as the religious/spiritual lefties and the secular and sometimes anti-theistic lefties, as well as the rural/small town populist-type lefties and the more urban, east coast/west coast lefties primarily concerned with social issues and ideas, who sometimes disagree on the social issues and the extent to which they are discussed in proportion to economic issues and the social issues that arise from them (not to say these are rigid definitions, just very broad, basic categories). While there is nothing wrong with any of those different viewpoints (well, I'll admit I'm not too big on anti-theism, it's too rigid and uncompromising, like the fundamentalist form of atheism) it seems like we're all fighting amongst each other and calling each other names and accusing each other of being closet right-wingers and making generalizations about each other, and I'm afraid if I keep commenting here I'll just remain a part of the fight. Best of luck to the site, and everyone that comes here (once again, not that anyone really cares ;-) )

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Posted by: flyingfish on Apr 28, 2006 3:37 AM   
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I'd not heard of this movie til now, and wow, insane.

Understandable that was what 4 1/2 years ago, make a movie so
the gullible are reminded of an Orwellian threat.
Wonder who funded this garbage? For that matter what is this article doing on this site??

I may be wrong but hasn't this site in the past clearly debunked the "official" interpretation of those attacks? Or am I confusing it with one of fifty-thousand other sites on the web and countless conversations between people who think for themselves.

False Flag terrorism

"America's war on terror had begun."
How do you fight a war on a feeling?

Steady chants of "terer WMD terer WMD terer
WMD terer WMD terer WMD terer"


Understand the roots of public manipulation
( no affiliation)

In our now and its infinite possibilities and the amazing things achieved by our species. Of which just the fact that "I" am
commuunicating with "You" is amazing. The resources we have at hand do we now make war obsolete?

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» RE: the site above Posted by: henderson
"the big lie"
Posted by: IanA on Apr 28, 2006 4:00 AM   
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Great idea the film. It adds another dimension to all the levels of delusion about the events of that day and justifications for events since. If nothing else it begs the many questions. It must please the spinners of propaganda in Washington and the sellers of fantasy in Hollywood, and all the bankers and Halliburtons in-between.

Is the dramatization of the spin of the lies closer to what we imagine happened or not? That is far better than asking what the truth of the event is, or is it? Ah, truth what does it matter anyway? What counts is gas prices, right?

Now let’s get Iran before they get us. Perhaps the Pentagon or CIA can sell the movie right to that event before it happens this time. It should make more than the “put” orders on the airline and insurance stocks.

United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile
His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it. - OSS report page 51 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie)

Sounds familiar?

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» RE: "the big lie" Posted by: Artaraxl
remains to be seen
Posted by: rsaxto on Apr 28, 2006 4:07 AM   
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It remains to be seen whether this movie will help the cause of truth and justice or will help the cause of liers, stealers and warmongers.

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Oh Pul-lease!
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Apr 28, 2006 4:27 AM   
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"How does this piece of media function -- as a jingoistic call to arms, or a searing indictment of power?"

What a stupid question. No studio exec would have greenlit this pic if they didn't think it would do the one thing that all studio execs want their films to do:

MAKE POTS AND POTS OF MONEY.

Ideology? Forget it. Hollywood smells money and nothing sells quite like tragedy. That's the first last and only reason why we're going to see a spate of 9/11 pics. Oliver Stone's will be out in august and, heck, even Adam Sandler is making one.

You can count on the critics to laud these money machines almost without exception. After all, who is going to pan the honored dead? It would be like making fun of a tombstone.

No, this pic isn't a statement. It's boxoffice gold!

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explosive devices?
Posted by: Dragonwoman on Apr 28, 2006 4:43 AM   
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I saw a trailer for this at the theatre. The hijackers were wearing what looked liked explosive devices strapped to them. I haven't followed the 'actual' event information, but this seems blatantly unrealistic to me. I heard about box cutters, not explosives. I'm sure one of you out there has the supposed scoop on this.

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» RE: explosive devices? Posted by: YogiBear
911 the movie
Posted by: jrmart66 on Apr 28, 2006 5:24 AM   
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Anyone remember Colin Kelly? He bravely crashed his fighter into a Jap carrier, thereby making the "ultimate sacrifice" for his country? (1942) Becoming Americas first war Hero. (for doing what we condemned the Japanese Kamikazi pilots for a few years later) That and so many other propoganda items usually have some truth behind them, but that falls by the wayside when "re-living" the moment from an outside perspective. After all we don't really know what happened.

Whether true or not. People (not just Americans) in crisis need something to uplift them. Something to explain the idiocy of violance and war, whether it be a world war, a hijacking, or the horrors of Iraq. We NEED to feel better about ourselves. So what if we lie? Is it the truth we seek? or merely affirmation?
I won't see this film. To me it is bunk. It is an affront to the families of not only those that died aboard that plane, but to all those that died aboard the other planes! If we exhault the bravery of the one group of passengers, are we not then chastising the passengers on those other ill fated planes?
Are we not saying "why didn't YOU do something?"
Where, oh where are the profits of this film going? I received a plea to fight a Republican congressman who is holding up the TEN MILLION dollar federal funding bill to create a memorial to this flight! TEN MILLION OF OUR TAX DOLLARS!
Perhaps if there were no other source, ok. But -hey- I have an idea---how about the MOVIE PRODUCERS PAYING FOR IT?
It is still the people after all. It is their admission dollars!
I admire what those passengers did. I excuse what the other flights passengers did not do.
I even accept the greed behind this exploitive film. What i won't accept is when this film wins an academy award!!!

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Where did they get their info from?
Posted by: brad on Apr 28, 2006 6:07 AM   
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This whole movie is a big joke. Nobody survived that flight, so how do they know what happened? How can they make a movie about something nobody knows any details about? IT is pure fiction. For all we know the hijackers had a change of heart at the last minute. They are attempting to program history into the brains of the masses here. The facts don't matter when you can recreate something better.

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» RE: Where did they get their info from? Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
Call to action
Posted by: federalist1787 on Apr 28, 2006 6:18 AM   
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Plain and simple - we must kill the terrorist before they kill us.

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Debris bounced for 8 miles?
Posted by: dainin on Apr 28, 2006 8:39 AM   
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With all the major news media reporting that the shoot-down order was given twenty minutes before the crash, it seems that the most important part of this story was the end. Certainly the emotional aspects will help Hollywood sell the expansion of the war on terrorism, but the facts to consider have to do with the “crash”.

One inexplicable fact is that the debris rained out of the sky according to witnesses. Additionally, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that the debris field was 8 miles wide.

So did the debris bounce for 8 miles?

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911-Cover-UP
Posted by: mite on Apr 28, 2006 8:44 AM   
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Remember History people. The 911 commission was controlled by the Cheny/Bush administrations (Bush Sr.)
Let us not forget 1982 and the Iraqgate cover-up by Bush Sr. and Cheny/Regan. The 10 years that they supplied weapons to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war. How they stole $5 Billion from the tax payers of this country and only the little guy went to jail from the Atlanta bank branch of the BNL (Rome Bank-Banca Nazionale del Lavoro) and Regans little scandal Iran Contra).
Why was all steel shipped to Asia (China) before any foresnics, after the towers went down? There is NO way that fuel from a air plane could melt the steel in the twin towers. Building #7 came down also BUT after the towers came down,Hmm! Hmm!
Quoting Louis Brandeis- "Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its faulure to observe its own laws"

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None of my money goes to that movie
Posted by: Roverton on Apr 28, 2006 8:48 AM   
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I have other things to spend it on, like gasoline.

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Our Reichtag Fire, our Field of Ravens
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Apr 28, 2006 9:52 AM   
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At one point, '9/11' was the Wound in America's heart ... it's rapidly becoming the Scab on Amerika's face -- and we just keep picking, and picking, and picking ...

"You know that's gonna leave a scar ..."

"Well, that's sort of the idea ... and, then too, it feels so good."

Whatever else the movie does, it picks the scab. The details don't matter. The literary analysis doesn't matter. It will make us 'feel something' -- and that's always good.

The important thing is to remember is that '9//11' happened and therefore, we need strong leaders and proactive policies to keep us safe -- by any and all means. Compared to this, everything else is the 11th item on a 10 point action agenda: it matters, of course, but we don't have time or resources to do anything about it.

Point 1: 9/11
Point 2 Terrorists
Point 3: Preventing another 9/11
Point 4: Find and kill terrorists
Point 5: remembering 9/11
Point 6: commemorating 9/11
Point 7: refining the message of 9/11
Point 8: securing ports and borders
Point 9: revenge for 9/11
Point 10: other discretionary action based on 9/11

Point 11 ... for consideration at a later date.

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more fun with propaganda
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 28, 2006 11:16 AM   
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Here are a few more titles you might find interesting:

Red Dawn: classic 80's flick about California football rednecks fighting the west-cost Soviet invasion, guerilla-style. This was the same time (1984) the CIA was busy mining Nicaragua's harbors, and Reagan was warning us about the 'red tide' sweeping up from Latin America. That's how the 'red states' went red - those commie bastards.

Invasion USA: Chuck Norris takes on black-suited communist thugs who invade through Cuba and begin an all-out assault on church, family and the American way of life (1985). Unforgettable scene of communist terrorists firing rocket-propelled grenades at suburban family saying grace around dinner table. Chuck saves the day with a few good kicks.

Rambo II: (1985) Stallone goes back and wins the Vietnam war using impressive explosive-tipped arrows (that looks fun, huh?), while revealing the amoral manipulative nature of the Soviet torturers (ugh - leeches) and the essentially moral nature of US military actions - now don't mention Abu Grahib and CIA 'black sites'.

Remember Bush Sr. crowing in delight, "We've beaten the Vietnam syndrome once and for all!" during GUlf War I?

Now we have another 'morally constructive' film for the American people, revealing the virtues of self-sacrifice for the, ah, common good. As a famous man once screamed, "German soldiers don't surrender! German soldiers fight to the death!". How do you spell "Stalingrad", Mr. Bush?

There are also a number of conspiracy-laced 'sister films' to United 93. See them all! 'Loose Change', for example, holds that Area 51 space aliens contracted out by the CIA bombed the twin towers, fired a missle at the Pentagon, and took Flight 93 (and perhaps the other three planes as well) off to the Bermuda triangle for 'human experimentation'. Noticeably lacking in credits of any sort, this feature was supposedly created by a 22-year old amateur. Nice CG work for an amateur...

Pouring it on rather thick, aren't we?

If you ever go see United 93, ask yourself the following question; apply your analytical and deductive abilities, now: Why would suicidal-homicidal hijackers carry a bomb on board, thereby risking exposure, when their plan was to take over the plane and use it as a flying bomb? Why would this movie include a bomb as an essential part of the plot? What if the plane was actually shot down by a military jet?

Popcorn, anyone?

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Is fighting for survival courageous?
Posted by: runawaychimp on Apr 28, 2006 2:53 PM   
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I agree that all the deaths on 9-11 were tragic, and many innocent people died, but I don't see how the reported actions by the passengers on United 93 would be considered courageous. Is it courageous to struggle for the surface if someone is holding your head under water? Courageous acts are those in which a person puts themself in greater danger to achieve some good purpose, like jumping into the water to save a drowning friend. While I respect the actions of those on flight 93, fighting back against those who are attempting to kill you is not courageous, when the only alternative is your own certain death.

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Incompetance v. Coverup v. Make it Happen
Posted by: enzo on Apr 28, 2006 4:46 PM   
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My problem with this movie is that it is a bit *too* responsible in that the FAA guy got to play himself. Wasn't it the FAA that destroyed all their tapes of the air traffic controllers' experiences that day?

FAA Managers Destroyed 9/11 Tape: Recording Contained Accounts of Communications With Hijacked Planes
By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, May 6, 2004


I find that disgusting and offputting. As a taxpayer I helped pay for those tapes, and some FAA honcho destroyed our property, our evidence! Either they were incompetant, covering their butts, or they were complicit with a plan to make or let the attacks happen.

Why would multiple hijackings continue to happen hours after the first ones were detected. Aren't Air Fighters supposed to confront ANY planes minutes after they go off course or turn off their transponders. Heck, the Air Force that day was War Gaming multiple hijackings and a plane hitting a building as part of 'counter' terrorism excercizes.

Forty years of Cold War with the USSR, you'd think the Pentagon would be protected from small and quick missiles, and certainly a large commercial airliner. Meanwhile, that same day the President had anti-missile batteries emplaced on top of his hotel. What, did the Pentagon lend their's to the Prez?

There certainly *were* a lot of mistakes that day.

For more about mysterious happenings by government officials check out this great website, a cooperative research project based on mainstream media coverage
and this one by professors:
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

All this to say, the 9/11/01 story has not been written yet. There are many many questions and contradictions to be investigated. The 9/11 Commission omitted much from its investigation and its staff was too connected to really investigate. After Bush dragged and resisted on appointing the commission, he didn't convert after he failed to get oil-connected/secret wars/covert action coups Kissinger to run the commission.

My sense is that it serves certain Republican interests for the government to be seen as wasting our money and incompetant, and that the solution to all our problems would be to fund the 'least incompetant' part of our government more.

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Kill! Kill! Kill!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Apr 28, 2006 6:00 PM   
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My favorite us-against-them pic remains "Mars Attacks!" The fried Dove of Peace was especially inspiring.

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

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No atheists on United 93, eh?
Posted by: Artaraxl on Apr 28, 2006 7:18 PM   
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I thought it worth pointing out that of the 40 people (which excludes the hijackers), there were likely around 5 or 6 atheists on flight 93. I realize this may not have been the author's view, but rather the depiction in the film, but nevertheless it should be duly noted. (Source: American Religious Identification Survey 2001 - http://tinyurl.com/mrobu).

The phrase the author uses is a play on the oft-repeated, yet woefully false, claim that "there are no atheists in foxholes."

They may not have been praying to God, but they surely were equally frightened, and equally worthy of our sympathy and respect.

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jayne
Posted by: jayne on Apr 28, 2006 8:07 PM   
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well, having just returned from the opening night, 7 pm showing of the film, i don't think it's going to be box office gold...there were about 30 people in the theater. also, a percentage of proceeds are being donated to a memorial fund for the crash site ...i'm usually pretty cynical but i believe this film was made with good intentions and succeeded in telling a story without the usual contrived hollywood fanfare.

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Too many idealistic young people have died - Not going
Posted by: xbj on Apr 29, 2006 5:54 AM   
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I'm not going to see this movie, EVER.

Too many of our nation's most idealistic young people have died or had their lives permanently ruined, by the inspiration that fictional accounts like this provide, that only serves to inflame anger and revenge against the purported perpetrators of this horrific crime, and not the real perpetrators in the White House and their dupes in the Pentagon, the FAA, and at Langley.

Whatever the directors' intent, the end result is always the same; an increase in enlistment.

And that's as damnable an indictment of this purely money-making enterprise as any.

Just another warwhore war profiteering bunch aimed on making money off of blood... no different than offense contractors or their stockholders, insuring that war will be the number one export AND industry of the US for decades to come.

Until Amerika is stopped, cold, dead in its tracks, like every other "Evil Empire" before it.

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november man
Posted by: november man on Apr 29, 2006 9:24 AM   
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in 1994 a movie was made. "The November Men" which portrayed all that is going on now... no one would release it in the usa, but it did well abroad... you should google it and see it...

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Did I hear it wrong?
Posted by: Slowburn on Apr 29, 2006 11:25 AM   
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On that fateful day when I was listing to the news the mans wife said that the last thing she heard her husband say was “Let’s rock and roll” not just ”let‘s roll“. Did any one else hear it like that? Did big brother edit it? I know this is silly. I just wonder if anybody else heard it the way I did. It seems to me that it was after 9/12 that the (Ministry of truth) took over the news. Is what we have now newspeak?

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whew, glad to know more about the film I'm not going to see
Posted by: DaBear on Apr 30, 2006 10:17 AM   
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I suspected it'd be typical Hollyweird, god is cool, Amerika is god's avenger, we kick ass, nobody messes with texas.. oops I mean, us, blah blah blah redneck bullshit. I grew up with the stuff crammed down my throat by my redneck community. Now I live in Hollyweird and everyone worships the redneck and the few bucks he's got left after beer, cigarettes and gas for his pickup (the ammo for the shotgun is cheap at MalWart). This review just proves my already lowered expectations for the tripe. The point of the movie is in the edited statement. It's designed to make all the rednecks feel good and hot under the collar and start lookin' for the local Mexican, brown skinned person, middle-eastern looking, et al. As long as the studio gets paid, the government stays off their back (or comes through on that kick back that cost the studio 30 mil), the redneck appeased, everybody's happy. The movie's script will become reality for millions of 'Merkun sheep and the fantasy continues. Let's rock and roll.

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Great movie!
Posted by: YogiBear on May 2, 2006 9:59 AM   
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Red Dawn: classic 80's flick about California football rednecks fighting the west-cost Soviet invasion, guerilla-style. This was the same time (1984) the CIA was busy mining Nicaragua's harbors, and Reagan was warning us about the 'red tide' sweeping up from Latin America. That's how the 'red states' went red - those commie bastards.

Red Dawn took place in Colorado, not California. The invasion was Russian, with the help of Cuba, and other Central American states that supposedly went Communist. The makers were not above wry humor, there was a great scene shortly after the invasion in which a Cuban soldier pulls a handgun out of the hand of a dead man whose pickup sports one of those: "You can have my gun when you pull it out of my cold, dead hand" bumper stickers.

By the way, the teen freedom fighters in that film would easily be classified as terrorists by the U.S. today. Ironies abound.

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I was wondering when we'd get around to this....
Posted by: woodford54 on May 3, 2006 9:59 AM   
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I have PROOF (a firsthand account) that the US shot down Flight 93. I think that releasing this propaganda does SUCH an injustice to all those passengers/crew who lost their lives on that flight. Maybe it helps if the families believe this Bush B.S., but, sorry people.... it's a lie. I BELIEVE that we are responsible for the planes hitting the trade center, but I have NO proof. I have proof that Flight 93 was shot down. All the proof I need. And I'm sorry to have to say that.

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Reality TV Hits Big Screen
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on May 3, 2006 2:31 PM   
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There was a time when we held foreign TV media in some contempt -- the BBC comes to mind -- for not IDing "re-creations" of actual incidents when they were combined with actual documentary footage of events. I was somewhat proud that the US media didn't do this. "Re-creation" footage was clearly labeled on-screen as being just that.

Gee...I'll bet I'm going back 25 years.

Of course, BBC watchers were well aware that uncredited re-creation footage was often added to shows, even newscasts. There recognized there was no intent, or so they believed, to deceive anyone about the truth -- whether re-created or not.

Unfortunately, truth in America became the increasingly acceptable casuality of "docu-dramas " -- which, if nothing else, made every story appear to have an "American-style" ending. Then it seemed like the whole wall between truth and entertainment crumbled with the onset of ad nauseum "reality TV" -- shows that seem designed to clone each other with no end in sight.

I get the impression that Flight 93 is a docu-drama done in documentary style by people who well understand they now have to pass less of an acid test with the public. We can thank our obsession with voyeurism for the distortion of events caused by our craze for reality TV. In fact, "RTV" has taken us over so much it's become a culture unto itself.

However, to "improvise" an event on a day that was the fault of everyone -- therefore no one was responsible for -- really takes some chutzpah. I'll probably see the film but I can really see how the "truth" we're see in movies these days is more to make a political statement than for any genuine search for the truth.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" -- meet "Flight 93." I think Michael Moore did look for the truth in "F911" even if it was his version of the truth. Paul Greenglass seems to be looking for our First Cowboy's version of events. Did the producers really want to end the movie with "and America's War on Terror has begun?" Makes you not want to even WAIT for the sequel! I'm just guessing here but it's gonna take some real dazzling and no doubt expensive "special effects" to re-create "America's War on Terror."

Maybe they can get the talking heads -- and their bosses -- at Fox News to play themselves in that flick. What actor you know of is good enough to portray the kind of professional journalists that can only be found at Fox?

Seems like today's method actor is way too realistic to play a Fox pundit. Too bad Sidney Greenstreet is no longer with us. He would have made a great Roger Ailes.

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Wedging memes into our collective unconcious
Posted by: Jackrabbit on May 27, 2006 10:41 AM   
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The thing that disturbs me more than anything about this movie is just that there are sooooo many unanswered questions about what a day that is undoubtably the most important day of this generation.

When a movie like this comes along it inserts its narrative explanation of that days events with a gravity and authority that is impossible to contradict.

I'm afraid that this movie and the latest by Oliver Stone will only serve to push those that question the official explanation of events on that day further to the fringes of discussion.

It's unfortunate and I would have to say that I have no idea why people would produce this except to make scads of cash. I consider it to be unethical personally. As if we are going to forget about this event anytime soon.

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