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Sex and the Septuagenarians

By Lakshmi Chaudhry, In These Times. Posted March 9, 2006.


Gail Sheehy's new book, about sex and the 'seasoned' woman, argues that older women should be free to have sex however -- and however much -- they want.
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When I grow up, I want to be old. Old as in proudly, imperiously fat like my grandmother, free from the need to do "something" or be "somebody," and definitively, unmistakably, not sexy.

Why fear aging when the golden years offer a well-earned rest from the struggles of career, marriage, parenting and -- most importantly -- being a woman? I battled self-loathing in my teens, figured out the orgasm thing in my twenties and spent my thirties mastering intimacy in my marriage. And if I get lucky, the coming year will bring with it the next great challenge of my sexual life: a baby. After decades spent scaling this particular mountain, who can blame me for relishing the prospect of being, finally, over the hill? Time to hang up the heels and bring out the chocolate.

So imagine my horror when I picked up a copy of Gail Sheehy's new book, Sex and the Seasoned Woman: Pursuing the Passionate Life, which seems intent on shaming women like me -- or, at least, the kind of woman I hope to be when I am a "golden girl." Dedicated to promoting the virtue -- nay, the absolute necessity -- of "post-menopausal sensuality," Sheehy recasts life after 50 as the Second Adulthood, a new life search for meaning, purpose and, inevitably, sex, because "sex and the passionate life go together."

Forget about giving your creaking bones a break, it's time to get right back to the grindstone. The task at hand: to reinvent yourself as a "seasoned woman," who is "assured, alluring, and resourceful" and "committed to living fully and passionately in the second half of her life, despite failures and false starts." If it sounds like work, well, it is -- both the physical and emotional kind.

Sheehy's ideal woman is a "Passionate," who is bold, sexy and sexually active. She kicks off "middlesex" -- a coy term for sex in your middle age -- by getting herself a brand-new lover. Nothing gets those juices flowing like romance, which makes you eat less ("You can lose weight, which is nice"), work out more, buy new clothes and stimulate your brain ("You will probably read more."). Sixty isn't the new forty, it's the new twenty-five.

Candidates for that first "pilot light" lover to reignite a dimming libido include married old flames, any willing young man in near vicinity -- and there are many, if Sheehy is to be believed -- or for one lucky gal, an online suitor with a penchant for tantric sex. I guess the latter explains why Sheehy urges online dating on her readers with the fervency of a Match.com marketing executive. Judging from the experiences of the women in the book, dating is no less perilous for a woman in her fifties, but all that rejection is a small price to pay for the joy of entering your "Romantic Renaissance." Yes, that "pilot light lover" will dump you, as may the others who follow him, but heartbreak just allows you to "transcend" the need for something more lasting.

Sheehy often veers wildly between insisting on sexual independence (while presuming the financial kind in focusing primarily on middle class women) and rhapsodizing over soulmates, but she is clear about what makes a seasoned woman superior to her younger peers: "She is less likely to have an agenda than a young woman: no biological clock tick-tocking beside her lover's bed, no campaign to lead him to the altar, no rescue fantasies." Gee, why don't I just shoot my thirty-something self already?

There are some married Passionates in the book, but they've usually traded in the old hubby for a new one in their middle age. Those of us unfortunate enough to hit old age in a long-committed relationship usually end up in Sheehy's less admirable categories: Women Married Dammit (WMDs), Status Quos and Low Libidos. WMDs are women stuck in really bad marriages who are too angry or "emotionally dead" to change their fate. Single and married Status Quos are resigned to sex-less lives, lacking the courage to sacrifice security for the emotional risks of a Romantic Renaissance. Low Libidos rank the lowest in her estimation because they're simply not interested in having a lot of sex: "they don't take hormones or use vaginal estrogen and rarely even use self-stimulation or try to introduce novelty into their marriages."

The book can be silly, earnest and often insightful in turns, but Sheehy's downright scary when it comes to menopause, which she frames as an affliction to be fought by all medical means necessary. It's where she crosses the line between affirming the sexual needs of older women and insisting that they must have sex -- lots of it -- irrespective of their physical or personal inclinations.

While Sheehy throws in some platitudes about platonic soul connections, she spends more time scolding married women who've lost interest in doing the deed. She approvingly offers up Dr. Allen, "the wise and witty New York gynecologist" who bullies a stay-at-home mother into "rehabilitating" her vagina so her husband can "get something out of" supporting his wife and kids. Here's the kind of incentive the good doctor offers her:

I know Robert. He's a good-looking guy, and he's in the city sixty hours a week with hot babes. Unless something is wrong with him, sooner or later he is going to get tired of your obligatory sex.

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Lakshmi Chaudhry is a senior editor at In These Times and a former senior editor of AlterNet.

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It's all right
Posted by: constantreader on Mar 9, 2006 4:52 AM   
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Relax, Lakshmi! Ms. Sheehy is most likely in the employ of the diet and beauty industry, who want women to continue chasing after ideal beauty as a greyhound chases that mechanical rabbit. I'm in my late forties and am beginning to enjoy that blessed relief myself, and dammit, no one's going to deprive me of it!

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some women
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 9, 2006 4:57 AM   
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Some woman do not want to have sex later in life at all and there are even some women who never want to have sex. We should respect the wishes of all women and men regardless of what kind of sex they want or none.

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It's all about choice
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Mar 9, 2006 5:09 AM   
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Have sex, or not; have an abortion, or not; take a same sex partner, or not. It's all a personal choice. Just because someone is passing out enthusiasm for screwing until they're in the grave, that doesn't create any obligation for you to become a disciple. Get with the program, Lakshmi.

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» Lakshmi is sex negative Posted by: EasterBunny
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The usual tabloid mentality
Posted by: Moonray on Mar 9, 2006 5:16 AM   
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Gail Sheehy is a "successful" writer, which probably means she's locked into a dray-horse relationship with an industry that demands she turn out one titillating book after another.

Nobody "successful" writes about older women who don't want to get made over, go on diets and have sex. That would be boring, right?

By the way, as a middle-age single guy, this subject reminds me of an old joke: Q: Why do married men die before their wives? A: Because they want to.

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Viagra, Cialis, and other Terrorist drugs
Posted by: jrmart66 on Mar 9, 2006 5:33 AM   
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Has anyone noticed in that ad where "BOB" is bouncing out of the pool naked, the look on poor Bobs wife?? sort of a "oh, shit, not again" resignation. And that is an ad FOR sex.
I think that erectile dysfunction is Womans greatest ally.

Geez, isn't it bad enough we "seniors" have to watch every "youth" on TV jumping from bed to bed?

Let us up, we're all cut and bleeding.

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I don't know, Lakshmi
Posted by: bettsoff on Mar 9, 2006 5:44 AM   
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The premise of this book is filthy consumerism dressed up as self-esteem improvement, but sex when you're older seems like it could be a worry-free sex. No pressure to stay a virgin, no pressure to produce an heir, no pressure to be wild and wooly. It seems like if you're of an age where you've 'arrived' and are okay with yourself, sex might finally lose its shackles and pitfalls for a person.

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» RE: I don't know, Lakshmi Posted by: spectral_ev
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sexual energy
Posted by: eileenflmng on Mar 9, 2006 6:03 AM   
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As a hyperactive skinny kid, I evolved into an energetic 52 year old gratefully married woman with long red hair, size 4-6, who keeps her private life private and understands that PASSION is not just sexual.

As an author I know the satisfaction in "getting it all out" by BANGING my keyboard with words that flow from DEEP within whenever I write about what MOVES me,
And the addictive nature of FRISSON-the chill in the thrill of a moment of danger or excitement is what SEDUCES me.

I will be once again reporting from Israel Palestine March 12-27, 2006 on WAWA:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

Eileen Fleming,
Celtic Christian of The Beatitudes, agitator church and state, activist, poet, author historical fiction, editor and reporter for the WAWA Blog.

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» RE: sexual energy Posted by: honeyrose
Sheehy's book is a valuable corrective in some ways
Posted by: CrystalD on Mar 9, 2006 7:53 AM   
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As goofily navel-gazing as Sheehy's book is in some ways, catering as it does to the Marin/Santa Fe New Age crowd, I think there is a point buried somewhere deep beneath the hoo-rah.

That is - women don't HAVE to give up sex when they get older if they don't want to. It's as foolish to assume that no older women want to be sexy as it is to assume all older women do. Believe me, not all of us want to go dowdy into that good night in Rockport shoes. Nor do we want to model our aging selves after Martha Wilson in the Dennis the Menace comics.

The problem is reaching some kind of happy medium that allows for individuality. In this respect, I find that a lot of the Goddess/Dianic/feminist spirituality oriented books offer the best alternatives for women as we grow older. These books talk about being a wise Crone who gives back her wisdom to those around her, who has a network of friends and a spiritual practice, and may or may not have lovers as she chooses. We don't all need lovers, but I believe we all need some kind of community, and yes, some kind of spiritual practice (or, for those of us who are atheists, some kind of cause, like environmentalism, renewable energy, etc.). And oh yes, staying healthy through diet and exercise.

One of the best books on the subject is by Susun Weed: Menopausal Years: The Wise Woman Way.

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never got it
Posted by: kick on Mar 9, 2006 8:13 AM   
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I am in my mid fifties. I have been single for the last 15 years and have been with many women in my life. In other words I have had sex with many women from all walks of life. Of course this does not make for an expert, but I feel confident enough to say that most women who are comfortable sexually don't worry about high heels, make-up, weight, or any of the other so called presssures the author is so ready to give up to become a fat grandmother who no longer is a slave to sex. Relax and it will come on it's own. Some of the most exciting women I have been with were older women. Their experience and comfortable attitiude towards wholesome sex was a turn on, not the way one might try to lure one in for sex with what society and the author deems as sexy. Not all men are as shallow as has been the authors experience. Play the game and you'll find your self playing by some one else's rules.

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ugh....
Posted by: J- on Mar 9, 2006 8:26 AM   
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Will we ever be free of these self aggrandizing Baby Boomers?

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nyydreamer
Posted by: nyydreamer on Mar 9, 2006 8:29 AM   
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Relax about the book - it's not that serious and not meant to apply to everyone - maybe she goes overboard about sex - some of us are like that - just try not to take it so personally

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thinkformyself
Posted by: terrybham on Mar 9, 2006 11:31 AM   
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An EXCELLENT article. I was a fan of Sheehy's Passages, but she has sunk to the level of those who have always "dictated" how women should feel. Remember the old days when women were not supposed to like sex at all and just submit? Now we are fodder for the self interests of those who profit from exploiting insecurities. Men are made to feel inadequate if they don't use Viagra, older couples are abnormal if they are not having lustful 20's sex. Now older women being herded into the "one size fits all, or you're defective mold" with dissenting voices silenced by advanced ridicule. Shame on you Sheehy.

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Misleading teaser
Posted by: Lakshmi Chaudhry on Mar 9, 2006 12:31 PM   
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Setting aside my own sexual hang-ups -- though I do appreciate the concern expressed by some of you for my sexuality -- I was making a pitch for sexual freedom.

I hate the teaser on this story because it is entirely misleading: "ignores the idea that some women might not want to have sex in later life." I didn't say anything whatsoever about having sex -- but about the pressure to remain sexual/sexy in the way that Sheehy defines it, which is all about staying young.

To pressure all women to treat menopause -- and aging -- as a disease is wrong, wrong, wrong. Women should be free to choose not to "rehabilitate" their vagina, not to feel the need to find a man, not to medicate their libido. I didn't say doing any of those things is wrong, per se. Just that they shouldn't be set up as what women "ought to" do in order to have fulfilling lives. What's wrong with that?

As for my grandmother, I made the point that she never feared aging -- losing her looks or becoming redundant or isolated, which is the danger in America which treats aging (and old people) with either pity or contempt.

I do find it interesting -- and more evidence of my main point -- that the moment I say I want to be fat or unsexy, people just assume it means not having sex. I never said anything about being celibate, did I? In other words, we define being sexual with looking sexy. This is evidence of our youth-obssessed culture. We can't conceive of having fulfilling lives -- sexual and otherwise -- that doesn't entail imitating youth.

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You go girl
Posted by: Guy on Mar 9, 2006 12:33 PM   
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Lakshmi,
If you are looking forward to not having to have sex and looking forward to be able to let yourself go, then more power to you. I wonder how your husband feels about that. Did you bother asking him or does what he think not matter at all?

Guy

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Social pressure has never turned me on
Posted by: rclord on Mar 9, 2006 12:42 PM   
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Sex is supposed to be spontaneous, and something you do because it feels good. It is not something one can automatically do on demand because he or she is pressured to "perform."

This is the problem I always have with fluffy self-help writers like Gail Sheehy. Their books are supposed to make you feel better, but they always end up making you feel worse because they're telling you what to feel.

And that, to me, is a big turn-off. Especially sexually.

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A note to the author...
Posted by: pixiequix on Mar 9, 2006 3:29 PM   
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I appreciate the point you are going after in this article, it is very close to my heart since my families' matriarch passed away . After 90 years of independent living, a fall left us with no option but a home. In that atmosphere, of course, she died within a year.
To stray from that topic, I couldn't help but notice what you wrote about a baby. "the next great challenge of my sexual life: a baby." You may have meant it this way, but it will be a challenge to your sex life; no matter how good your intentions are. Good luck.

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Heteronormative?
Posted by: Seabrook on Mar 9, 2006 5:03 PM   
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Thanks for the really great commentary, Lakshmi ~

Feel free not to respond, but I was wondering if you thought that the book's ageism was at all tied up in heteronormativity. In other words, is the "youthful" sexuality that the author celebrates implicitly heterosexual?

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intimacy
Posted by: tussinup on Mar 9, 2006 6:05 PM   
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When I was 23, I was extremely interested in sex, partly because my body was extremely interested in sex, but also because I didn't know any other way to be intimate. The only way I could let down my guard, wholly inhabit my body and freely express my delight in another person was through sex. That was thirty years ago. Since then I've grown up and discovered that there are lots of ways to enjoy lots of different kinds of intimacy. My body doesn't demand sex anymore, but my whole being demands intimacy. I find that people my age who are preoccupied with sex are about as interesting as people my age who preoccupied with any other teenage hobby. Actually, I've met some middle aged record collectors, slot car enthusiasts, etc. and they will at least admit to being silly. The middle aged sex hobbyists are always going on about how liberated and sex positive they are. Why they even read dopey books by Gail Sheehy so they can congatulate themselves for keeping up with the latest.

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» RE: intimacy Posted by: mountainmama
Smiles4You
Posted by: smiles4you on Mar 9, 2006 7:25 PM   
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Well... I haven't read the book but I think Gail Sheehy may be on track... at least with some of us.. I'm in my late 40's, have been married for 20 years and.. well to be honest the getting older thing doesn't have to be a situation of resigning yourself to looking and being the grandma part... I've always been considered attractive I suppose and am indeed a very sexual person so I am not willing to let go of either of these elements of my character...my looks and my sexuality do not define who I am but are a part of my character to a certain degree...Over the last few years I have been on a roller coaster ride with my (5 years younger) husband who I discovered had cheated on me not only once but on a number of occcassions... I was absolutely devasted... I had been totally loyal for almost 20 years.. I came close to filing for divorce but stayed for the children and the fact that he was and is really my best friend... the damage had been done though. I ached inside....and somehow my only course of action to help myself was becoming obsessed with my fitness level and sexual appeal, I desperately needed to be desired... long story short, it worked possibly too well and without trying ..I ultimately ended up doing the unthinkable... with a very sweet and handsome 25-year-old soldier that said all the right things, knew how to treat a woman, loved to laugh and entertain me and well... believe it or not he had many younger options to choose from but I suppose the chemistry was just right and we had a fabulous time together...I needed to feel alive and desired and somehow it just happened...
I have no regrets and all in all it has made me feel better about myself, my sexuality and my atitutude about my age and attractiveness... It is not about "the age" but the way you live and the way you respect your fitness level ... These younger men love the confidence and the sexuality of an attractive and "seasoned" woman who loves to "live" life to the fullest and loves to laugh....

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Sheehy's full of s***
Posted by: mountainmama on Mar 9, 2006 9:02 PM   
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Bless you Lakshmi! Your words are light on my soul! I am 61, and no interest in sex at this point. What Sheehy says has such a negative affect on those of us who, by no choice of our own, do not desire sex. I was sexually abused as a 2-1/2 year old which left a permanent scar. I am married for 40 years, and have 2 children and have 4 grandchildren, but sex was more often a "chore" then a pleasure. I was put into early menopause at 46 because of a needed complete hysterectomy. My libido began lagging, but what added to causing this was the need to take medication that really put a damper on things. No choice...to stay alive and relatively healthy I needed to take these. Yes, I was on hormone pills...and then, 2 years ago, I was diagnosed with breast cancer...estrogen positive breast cancer. So that means I risk a return of the cancer if there is any estrogen in my body. Now I take medication that blocks every bit of it from my body.

People who, like Sheehy, don't consider other factors involved, should be in my shoes and feel what it is like to be bombarded with sex on the TV commercials and sit-coms and self-righteous know-it-alls like her.

I am a very passionate person...my passions lie in my various creative work, my interests and work for certain issues as well as in other areas. I am far from "dead" and very much alive and enjoying life to the fullest!

Sex is not the only "high" in life! Miss Sheehy should try something else and find out for her self.

As a reminder to those who think as she does, "judge not, lest ye be judged!"

These days, I am a very happy granny, a bit overweight and very jolly! So I say to Miss Sheehy...go screw yourself!

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» HERE, HERE! Posted by: Artemis3
Menopause is a blessing
Posted by: janvdb on Mar 10, 2006 11:19 AM   
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Sex or whatever, I can't understand the attitude that menopause is some kind of a problem. WHY would anyone want to continue with that mess every month?

Why do women fight menopause? A bit of vaginal dryness is easily addressed by a slight sqeeze on a little tube, but women are medicating their entire bodies with oral hormones over this.

Women are clinging to the past, here, as though the lability of the labia has some cosmic importance or relates to their value as a person, which it does not.

I'm with Lakshmi on that one.

As far as sex after menopause, well, whatever people want to do is fine with me, but let's admit that the total social pressure is in the direction Sheehy is piling on -- in the direction of work work work to stay young-looking, dress up, spend money on clothes, compete with other women, --- have sex sex sex. Instead of "hey, maybe no man wants you anymore because you're too hardheaded, stubborn, opinionated and loudmouthed -- more power to you, honey, you're probably WAY better off pleasing yourself than chasing around town after men!!!

That's the message I'd like to hear!

It would take a lot more courage for Sheehy to stand up and say that than what she did choose to say, which just piles on the pressure to fail to grow old gracefully, pushes women to put up with more crap from men because continued "successful" interaction with them is set up as some sort of requirement before we can feel "fulfilled" and "happy."

Let's put out the message that women can be totally fulfilled without men, without a man, doing her own thing, pushing her own agenda and if men don't like it, well, to hell with them, who needs them anyway -- at ANY age.

There are a lot of things that women could be doing with their time and energy which would redound back toward them with a lot more joy, fulfillment, pleasure and happiness than chasing around after sex and men.

But that's society -- push push push women to focus on sex and men and to shortchange self-protection, friendship, political action, career, self-enhancement. THAT'S the real problem. At all ages.

Jan VanDenBerg

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