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Cheap Oil Is Over: Kiss the Gas-Guzzling NASCAR Era Good-Bye

By James Howard Kunstler, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted March 11, 2008.


A suburban nation of snowmobilers, dirt bikers and NASCAR races -- all of it was made possible by the one-time blessing of cheap oil.
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The following is excerpted from an essay by James Howard Kunstler published in the book Thrillcraft: The Environmental Consequences of Motorized Recreation (Chelsea Green, 2007).

The tendency for symbolic behavior in human beings is impressive. We are naturally and unself-consciously metaphorical beings, especially as our technological culture has evolved, and we have developed more and bigger prosthetic extensions of our powers. By the 1960s, when America's industrial "smokestack" economy was at its zenith, cigarette smoking was at its peak, too. Forty percent of the adult population smoked, each smoker behaving like a little factory, expelling the by-products of combustion at all hours of the day and night. It was practically required as a mark of adulthood. It was at least an entitlement. You could smoke on the job and in the college classroom. You could smoke in the doctor's waiting room. You could smoke in your seat on an airplane -- a little ashtray was provided right there in the armrest -- and nobody was allowed to complain about it. Every middle-class household had ashtrays deployed on the coffee table, even if the members were themselves nonsmokers.

In those days, smoking was more central to socializing than sharing food. TV broadcasting was largely supported by tobacco advertising. Smoking denied the character of movie stars: Humphrey Bogart expressed the entire range of human emotions in the way he handled his beloved Chesterfields, and eventually they killed him. In the middle of Times Square, a mechanized billboard with a hole in it blew "smoke rings" of steam out over the masses on the sidewalk. The adult population had plumes of smoke coming out of its collective mouth and nostrils the way that our society had smoke coming out of its cities and mill valleys. Notice how cigarette smoking has waned in lockstep with the decline of American smokestack industry.

Along similar lines today, it's compelling to see how NASCAR auto racing has risen to the level of a mania in early 21st century America, as the nation has reached its absolute zenith of automobile use. Even as the world approached the all-time global oil production peak -- with its ominous portents for social relations in this country -- Americans rallied obliviously to the weekend proving grounds of the stock-car gods. NASCAR has eclipsed baseball, football and basketball in popularity among spectator sports. Of course, in real life, such as it was in America, driving automobiles had come to occupy a huge amount of the public's time, day in and day out. Many adults were spending a good two hours a day commuting to work and back.

They were spending more time alone in their cars than with their spouses and children. NASCAR was the apotheosis of the same kind of cars that Americans drove to work. The competition vehicles were called stock cars, after all, because they were, theoretically, just souped-up versions of the same models that anyone could find in stock at an ordinary car dealership: Fords, Pontiacs, Chryslers and so on -- unlike the Formula One race cars favored in Europe, which were specially designed just for sport (hence the quaint term sports car from the 20th century).

What's more, the American economy was now mostly based on creating and maintaining the enormous infrastructures of motoring, as in suburbia, just as it had previously centered on the infrastructures of industrial production. So, the masses merely shifted their symbolic behavior focus from an emphasis on expelling smoke to an emphasis on watching souped-up ordinary cars move symbolically around in circles. Or more precisely, ovals, which, from the grandstand, was sort of like sitting on a freeway overpass for five hours watching traffic. The NASCAR racetracks evolved from county fair dirt tracks with a few rickety bleachers to gargantuan stadiums with luxury sky boxes accommodating more than a hundred thousand spectators. It was significant, too, that the NASCAR subculture arose in the South, the old Dixie states, where the automobile had had tremendous social transformative power in the previous half century. Prior to the Second World War, Dixie had been an agricultural backwater with few cities of consequence, peopled by (among other groups) a dominant Caucasian peasantry called "rednecks" (because of the effects of the sun on exposed pale skin in the dusty crop rows).

States like Georgia, North Carolina and Alabama were huge. You could fit eleven Connecticuts in Alabama and have room for Rhode Island and Delaware. Unless they lived right along the railroad line, the folks down on the farm were pretty much stuck in place. The automobile liberated the redneck peasantry from the oppression of geography as emancipation had liberated the black peasantry from the legalities of chattel ownership.

In fact, the effect of the car was arguably much greater, since blacks continued to exist in economic quasi-serfdom despite the putative change in their legal status. The car and all its manifold benefits hoisted poor rednecks into a middle-class existence that had seemed like a distant fairytale previously, something only seen in the magazine pages they had used to wallpaper the rooms of their "cracker cottages" (their own typological term for such a dwelling). They became truckers and car dealers and car repairmen and the owners of fried food franchise shacks out on the highway. They made good wages and some became rich. Once a broad money base was established, they excelled at suburban development because rural land was so cheap, and there was so much of it. They worshiped the car more than they worshiped Jesus. The economy of the South was utterly transformed after the Second World War and the new economy was mostly about the car.


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James Howard Kunstler is the author of many books, including "World Made by Hand," a novel set in the post-peak oil future. Read more of his work at Kunstler.com.

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Oil is Not a Fossil Fuel And Will Last As Long As The Planet
Posted by: opmoc on Mar 11, 2008 2:15 AM   
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Peak Oil is unscientific nonsense, as is the theory that oil is formed from dead plant and animal life.

Even a competent mathematician with no knowledge of physics should be able to reach the conclusion of the impossibility of oil being a fossil fuel. Just consider how much of the stuff there is in for example Saudi Arabia. How many dinosaurs does it take to make a barrel of oil? How come there were so many of them in Saudi Arabia? What makes Saudi Arabia so fertile that it can support the absolutely ridiculously high number of dinosaurs required to make all that oil?

Oh and while we are at it - if oil is formed from dead budgies - how did they manage to exists in such earth shatteringly large numbers on Saturn's Moon Titan? There's more oil on Titan than we've got here. It's swimming in the stuff. How can it possibly have been formed from budgies, dinorsaurs - or in deed any form of life.

The population of the US has been conned to believe all this nonsense. The Russians know where oil comes from and have been exploiting the fact for the last 50 years.

The US needs to wake up before it goes totally bust. The rest of the planet will carry on much as normal with a continuing transfer of wealth from West to East.

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» Denial Posted by: hotar
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» RE: Oil is Not a Fossil Fuel? Posted by: DannyMan
» OIL COMES FROM BACTERIAL HOPANOIDS Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» Exxon Mobil on Peak Oil Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Thanks for the great laugh Posted by: begruntleed
Too Far
Posted by: Tompatriot on Mar 11, 2008 4:14 AM   
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Is there anything you like about motor vehicles? I consider myself fairly liberal, but I think you should move to France.

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why does the author deem what is obviously an opportunity to live better "the Long Emergency"?
Posted by: Suzon on Mar 11, 2008 4:41 AM   
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I gave up driving twenty years ago and have enjoyed a greater quality of life. (I still have the occasional no-response-from-the-brakes nightmare. It takes a long time to rid your brain of freeway panic.)

If by some miracle we agreed to stop all corporate activities which were not necessary to sustain life, we could all live very well indeed. The biggest lie is that of scarcity.

If we stopped the manufacture and retailing of clothing, for example, fashion would still exist as those so inclined would have the time to use their individual creativity.

Aviation, aside from search and rescue missions, isn't a necessity. The invention of the airplane has had worse consequences (especially for civilian populations) than nuclear weapons. The things we "need" most often turn out to be the things we can very well do without.

War could become so 20th century!

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» Please read the book before... Posted by: truthteller
» RE: Better off without Posted by: zeofredo
Wow.
Posted by: pdecarlo on Mar 11, 2008 4:43 AM   
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This article is so patronizing. It's as if the author's aim was to write to an angry, liberal, educated, and rich class of people.

And a little revolutionary history for you: redneck doesn't just refer to working in the fields.

Wikipedia: The most probable beginning of redneck comes from The West Virginia Coal Miners March or the Battle of Blair Mountain when coal miners wore red bandanas around their necks to identify themselves as seeking the opportunity to unionize. This eventually led to lower classes being called rednecks.

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» RE: Wow. Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» RE: Wow...tch, tch! Posted by: upHurled
» RE: Wow...tch, tch! Posted by: EncinoM
» RE: Wow...tch, tch! Posted by: EncinoM
Kunstler writes for a long time to prove that he has no point.
Posted by: kenkruger on Mar 11, 2008 5:29 AM   
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Mr. Kunstler, you are extremely verbose for someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.

The term "redneck" has nothing to do with the low-skill workers getting sunburned from working in the sun. It comes from the West Virginia coal miners and the battle of Blair Mountain, in which the workers wore red bandanas around their necks as a symbol of identity and the right to unionize, and thus gain basic human rights and a decent wage.

Additionally, the etymology of "cracker" is not self-imposed, as you imply. Rather, it comes from "corn cracker," a process used to make whisky. And it was applied as a derogatory epithet to all poor southern whites by the same northern liberal elites who used "nigger" for blacks.

When you get your basic facts wrong, you lose all credibility for whatever point you're trying to make.

Speaking of which, what exactly is your point? That the poor working class south is going to suffer more than the rest of the country when the oil finally fizzles out? You sound almost happy about it. Or smug is probably more descriptive. That you know how to use big words like "quasi serfdom" that the rest of us who say "y'all" and "mah" can't be bothered to learn? Jesus, dude, get over yourself.

By the way, it's not the "y'all" and "mah" crowd that's buzzing around Yellowstone and Utah on snowmobiles and ATVs like a plague of hornets. And when one of my bros rides his ATV into the hills of appalachia to shoot a deer, he has enough meat to feed his family for 2 months, and leaves less of a carbon footprint than you when you drive to the supermarket and pick up a pound of ground beef from one of the giant agri-businesses that is killing the planet faster than all the ATVs in West Virginia.

When the so-called "red staters" complain that the liberal elite are out of touch with reality, Mr. Kunstler, you are the guy they are talking about. When the lower economic class workers vote for a guy like Bush, it's not because they really love Bush, it's to spite people like you. You are part of the problem.

Your tone is arrogant, condescending, elitist, and patronizing. Not to mention ill-informed. You should be ashamed.

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» Perhaps Kunstler... Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
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» RE: Kenkruger disses Kunstler Posted by: kenkruger
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» LOL Posted by: Iconoclast421
fiction
Posted by: dwatkins9 on Mar 11, 2008 5:43 AM   
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It is clear that Mr. Kunstler is a novelist, as he has so little regard for facts, or documentation of same.

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DAMN RIGHT !! Now, it's time to conserve and use hemp, solar, wind, tidal, geothermal alt renewables
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 11, 2008 5:58 AM   
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All is not lost when we can significantly reduce petroleum's dominance by putting the above alt renewables to work and actually reward those who conserve rather than tax them as we're now doing. Plus, you can cut down frivolous wars and unemployment. Now who's ready to be a REAL WINNER and put this to motion ?

VOTENADER.ORG !!!!

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Have a Solar 100 before every NASCAR race!
Posted by: williameon on Mar 11, 2008 6:03 AM   
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Who can get there the fastest using the least amount of Fuel.
Points awarded for Time and Consumption.
Maybe
We can get
Mr. Good Wrench
To work on something:
Really Important?
He did it before and he can do it again.

Peak oil is Reptilian Propaganda.
Look who is spewing it.
It’s all BU__! SH__!
What are we now?
BU__! SH__! experts?
Net result.
Higher Prices.
Follow the money.
When the Super Rich get richer someone gets poorer.
Me and you that is.
Trouble is?
There is little hide left on this Bull’s Ass.

Once Alternative energy gets going
The Oil Monopolies will pull the
Plug again
By dropping Energy prices
Through The Floor
That's what happened in the 70's.
Price gouging and gas lines.
(Nixon, Rumdumb and
Mr. Nasty himself: Dead Eye Dick!
Same show, same scam, same channel.)
Play it again Sam.

Then The Corpirates buy any truly innovative
New Technology and shelve it.
To use against us on another day.

Keep oil prices
High
High as that Pie in the Sky.
The carrot.
Upward mobility?
Which today is Non Existent.

How much energy would we save if?
The WAR Machine shut down?
They are really making a killing!
In more ways than one!
When The War Stops: Gas will drop by 50%.

We live in a Corpirate System.
One Huge Mega Conglomerate.
With interlocked boards rules the world
From the top down.
That is why G.M. shelved the EVO and
Builds gas guzzling Hum Vs instead.
They want to lose money.
Move all the Factories over Seas.
Steal your job, house and then your nest egg.

If they ever put their money into their cars instead of into some their own pockets.
The vehicles would last longer, be very reliable, efficient, comfortable, more user friendly and a pleasure to drive.
There’re plenty of cars companies that do it now.
Net result they build shit.
That falls apart as you’re driving it out of the show room.

Speaking about the Dollar:
This is the plan.
Enslave the American People.
As fast as you can.
By devaluing their salaries, savings and incomes.
By devaluing the dollar everything you buy will cost more.
All the money you have is worth less.
The middle classes wages have been stagnant since the eighties.
Since The Reptilian God
Bonzo’s
Union Busting years.
Recession anyone?
Depression is much more likely.

You can only put off an economic correction for so long.
The hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.
The correction worse and worse.
We are now on the edge of a precipice now.
A water slide to HELL!

Our children are the Lambs being led to slaughter.
By the False King
Simple George preys upon them.
Scatter.
Become self sufficient and self reliant.
The Tower of Babble is Falling.
Get out of the way.
Conserve and reserve your power and
Survive to another day.
To work on something we truly believe in.
That day soon:
When we are truly free and live in harmony
With our environment and neighbors.
The New Age is Born.
A spark of
The Creative Spirit
Resides inside of us all.
Help,
Fan that spark into a Flame.
That Lights up the World.

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Dang, this article went a long way to say we are screwed
Posted by: blondesprite on Mar 11, 2008 6:15 AM   
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The moral to the story goes something like this.
Every time a plane crashes we learn there were hundreds on board who were voluntarily clue less about airline safety.

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Cheap Oil Is Over: Kiss the Gas Guzzling NASCAR Era Goodbye
Posted by: WhatNow? on Mar 11, 2008 6:33 AM   
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Good!

It makes me sick to exist among so many idiots. It usually takes a lot of the bums down here in dixie a $30K truck plus a $20K boat to go fishing and the same truck plus a trailer and ATV to go hunting. They commute at 70+ mph in 5000 lb SUVs with usually two or less people in them.

These assholes are partially responsible for the great increase in the cost of transportation and the latest war crimes. They pad the coffers of dick cheney's best friends. They increase demand for fuel mostly through sheer waste so others who try to conserve resources are forced to pay greater costs.

If I had a family and said I needed a SUV for a vacation, I'd just get two four cylinder Camrys or Accords and get the wife to drive one and myself the other and cover the same distance for the same cost. I'd bet I could get more stuff and people in two sedans versus one SUV too. But such simple deductive reasoning is too much for most of the arrogant scum around here. If my self esteem was real low or my need to compensate was so great, I'd get a SUV so I could carry around my monstrous head too. It's a real shame humility, intelligence, and conservation are such rare commodities in this area. Also if it weren't for the market these bums help create or have been suckered into, I could probably get a Toyota Aygo (61 mpg) or a four cylinder Toyota Hilux (pick up) diesel that would get close to 40 mpg that are readily available in Europe. We could easily cut gasoline use in half in this country if we'd just drive more practical vehicles but we're too spoiled and too stupid to make a little sacrifice.

I've had my eye on a Toyota Echo for almost ten years now even when I was paying $0.88 a gallon for gasoline. But a lack of funds has kept me driving the same four cylinder pick up truck for the past twelve plus years. If i weren't a carpenter and we had some mass transit I wouldn't even need a vehicle but unfortunately I'm stuck in a bad situation that's only made worse by the incredible amount of waste a large percentage of fools readily espouse in dixie.

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» Why they vote for Bush Posted by: BCcovers
» not quite Posted by: Iconoclast421
The last gasps of the non-believers
Posted by: dougii on Mar 11, 2008 6:48 AM   
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The "left" is just another word for a group of people involved in group-think. Just like the "right".

Reality is what you will need to deal with eventually. America does not do reality right now, and many of the redneck, southern liberals will be up in arms that their inheritance is being stolen from them!

I was initially shocked by the responses here about how peak oil isn't real and arguing tiny details of etymology. But I should expect it, the end of the oil age is going to hit many very very hard, and they will lash out at the messengers.

Its time to prepare for a new life with less oil. Find a job locally, get involved in your community, get to know your neighbors.

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» RE: The last gasps of the non-believers Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
YOU PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY RAG ON THE SOUTH
Posted by: magiquarian1969 on Mar 11, 2008 7:19 AM   
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CAN GO TO HELL!!!!! I've traveled all over and believe me, rednecks aren't just in the South. This author puts out the same tired blanket stereotypes that others of his kind have done for years. The point that so many people seem to be missing is that our nation has spent trillions on things that benefit relatively few people. It's not that oil will run out, it's that so many people have this idea that constant consumption is possible with no consequence. There used to be so much innovation to improve and make the world a better place. Now people from ALL OVER THE WORLD have lost sight. Think of what America could have done with all of the money spent in Iraq if it had been managed well and focused toward positive change!!! I think people in ALL parts of the world are missing the point that the constant desire for power and greed are blinding us to what we are doing to the organism that sustains us. I like the AlterNet but there seems to be so much bickering that accomplishes nothing. The planet is for ALL of us and we can't just expect to suck it dry.

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The rising cost...
Posted by: Bbear41 on Mar 11, 2008 7:32 AM   
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..of fuel will result in reduced use of heavy machinery for excavation, construction, agriculture, etc, which means more use of human labor. The massive earth works to try to hold back the rising sea will be built by pick and shovel men. We can expect a labor draft and convict labor (we've got lot of convicts, haven't we?).

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40 years ago
Posted by: PJAW on Mar 11, 2008 7:54 AM   
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I was wondering, when the shit really hits the fan, and America takes note of the fragility of the limb it has crawled out upon, and the "land of plenty" will have plenty of everything except healthy food, clean water and fresh air, will someone stand in the backyard of his suburban playground, contemplating whether his snowmobile will taste better with ketchup and mustard, or just a little salt and pepper.

I found this piece by Cuntslur to be quite entertaining, and it has certainly inspired discussion. I'm old enough now that I can probably die in relative comfort in another 20 to 30 years, unless I get overrun in the melee by some hyperagitated freak who lacks the skills to feed himself and leaves a trail of mayhem as he thrashes about in frenzied misdirection hoping to survive another day so as not to deprive the planet and the species of his pointless presence, so I've pretty much taken to saying "fuck it" and content myself with watching the show. It's really getting funny, and I expect virtual hilarity in the near future. AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! We're all going to die! No shit, Sherlock.

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» RE: 40 years ago Posted by: signalfire
» RE: 40 years ago Posted by: Iconoclast421
NASCAR might just be the last feature of the old world to die.
Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle on Mar 11, 2008 8:12 AM   
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After all, top professional athletes make millions these days to keep the fans paying. $100 per gallon gas would be a mere incidental expense for the race sponsors, and lionizing crash-and-burn (burn-and-crash?) heroes will go a long way towards distracting the fans from the fact that they can no longer afford to take a pleasure drive, let alone jet-ski, snowmobile, dirt-bike, or what have you.

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» NASCAR is fucking stupid Posted by: meetmeineleusis
Boy, you'd think oil was the only thing...
Posted by: Graphictruth on Mar 11, 2008 8:14 AM   
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that made cars go real fast.

But methanol is what Nascar runs on. Could just as easily be ethanol.

And boy howdy, brew some up from switchgrass on the back forty and you got all the fuel you need to haul that corn liquor to market.

The REAL problem, as I see it, is the idea that anyone could or should be allowed to complexify the simple, toxify the non-toxic and use those things to deny plain folks the right to do for themselves.

But if you wanna know how to brew fuel - guess who will be happy to send you the plans? The ATF. Believe it or not - and the license is free. Ethonol can be used in creating biodiesel, and the technology is small, clean and ideal for local or individual use.

Then of course there's fuel-cell technology, getting to the point where you may well be able to pour in ethonol and get out electricity.

Now, I'm reliably told that the start up torque on an electric motor would make Enzo Ferrarri envious - and if you don't need all kinds of heavy batteries, and you for sure don't have the weight of an IC engine... dayamn!

In other words, Mister Snotty-pants Liberal, when it comes to personal recreation vehicles, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

You see, you can't imagine how folks might do better without the huge energy delivery network, and come up with their own. That's a truly liberal failing, the idea that a simple, non-centralized system might be better than an enormously complex centralized system with huge overhead costs that - among other things - produce tax and grant money for folks like you to write arrant twaddle such as this.

Now, I agree that there oughtta be some consideration for other folks and the general environment, but seems to me you have that confused with the idea of keeping the hoi polloi confined within their reservations, growin' veggies and free-range eggs for you and yours and not fouling the air with their queer
Anglo-Saxon expressions and "symbolic behaviors."

Well, Sirrah; while you are technically correct on many of your observations, that is easily done when one is willing to switch sweeping generalizations and exceptional circumstances when rhetorically convenient.

Now, I am sure that the idea of reducing nine tenths of the world's population to the status of peasantry - or lower - would be entirely gratifying to limousine liberals such as yourself, and environmental correctness does seem like a lovely religion to cloak such a lubricious necessity within.

But it's simply Corporatism, or Neo-Feudalism in a greener guise. And methinks Robin Hood might well show up to dispute the rationale, once again.

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» wow Posted by: Iconoclast421
The Appeal of Profligacy
Posted by: Red Clover on Mar 11, 2008 8:54 AM   
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Although many individuals may reduce their personal use of gas-guzzling vehicles, I daresay that spectator events involving such vehicles may well become more popular. There is something appealing to many people about witnessing the profligate use of something they do not have. If motorsports evolved as an enhanced version of powerboats, off-road driving, and bootlegger necessity, then their survival may rest on how disconnected they are to American reality. If corporate money sees a chance for profit, motorsports will become pure fantasy for the audience.

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I HATE NASCAR
Posted by: HANGTRAITORS on Mar 11, 2008 9:04 AM   
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THE SPORT YOU WILL NEVER PARTICIPATE IN..

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Equal Opportunity Offense
Posted by: Southern Gal on Mar 11, 2008 9:31 AM   
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I admit to feeling offended when I read the part of the article ridiculing the South and rednecks, since I fit both categories. As I read on and found that other areas of the country were also ridiculed I regained my sense of humor. However, for an article on such serious issues, I don't think that ridicule accomplishes much besides making people angry and the writer comes off as a prick.

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Hi, opmoc
Posted by: willymack on Mar 11, 2008 9:35 AM   
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OK, let's say you're right in your puport that petroleum is abiotic and endless, and all we need to do is to develop the technology to extract it. What then? Should we go right on consuming vast amounts of hydrocarbons and spewing vast amounts of CO2 and other nasty stuff into the air we breath? Is this our future? Don't you think it's time to move beyond using fire for power and locomotion with the technology that promises to free us from permanently fouling our atmosphere and producing permanent, decent-paying jobs? I, for one, am madder than hell about the fact that a few greedy degenerates hold us hostage to their lust for wealth and power. How about you?

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The Author Probably Has A Cabin On A Lake And Hates Jet Skis, Hence The Bone To Grind
Posted by: InsertNameHere on Mar 11, 2008 9:59 AM   
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If people are willing to spend $50k+ on a Hummer, $8000.00 on an ATV and $35,000 on a bass boat, what makes you think they'll be phased by higher gas prices?

Once the last bit of profit has been squeezed from oil, we'll drive electric vehicles, and not a moment sooner.

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NASCAR?
Posted by: daniel1982 on Mar 11, 2008 10:00 AM   
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Whats wrong with NASCAR?!? And why would NASCAR end with higher fuel prices?

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NASCAR will switch to Ethanol or Hydrogen. Everythings changes.
Posted by: kungfoofighterx on Mar 11, 2008 11:05 AM   
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Indy cars run on ethanol. NASCAR will too. It would be way cooler if they skipped both ethanol and hydrogen and went to nuclear or fusion. That would make for way cooler wrecks. Its hard to ethanol burn and hydrogen burns straight up without much to see. Nuclear explosions. Thats big advertising money right there. Military like too. I bet those southerners would dig it. Right. Oak Ridge National lab and whats other one in Georgia? They could build the cars. By the authors comments you would be shocked to find any institutions in the south other than boat launches, race tracks, and SUVs.

Anyway. If this author could stick his noise any higher his neck would break. He is probably blind by from staring at the sun while he eats lunch in that hot southern sun. What an Ass.
"Cheap air conditioning and gas" made the south bearable, livable. WTF...............
People have been living in the South 20,000 + years.
Somebody should smack an editor.

Chariot racing is cool too. Ever see Ben Hur?

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jareilly
Posted by: jareilly on Mar 11, 2008 11:40 AM   
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I confess. I read the comments first, a bubbling stew of pro-vehicle, pro-South foaming at the "elitism", "liberalism", blah, blah, blah in Kuntsler's article. OK. Then I read it. It does have a sort of mordant low-level humor I'll admit, but I just don't see the source of all the angry backlash. Kuntsler is just saying the gas is going to run out, then everything is going to change but Farm League baseball will likely survive so all is not lost.

Seems to me that people always get angriest when your critique cuts a little too close to home, when your argument contains a few too many unavoidable truths. Chill boys! Crisis = opportunity. Get ahead of the new energy markets and your little part of the South might just rise "agin"!

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Kunstler... elitist snot, funny as hell
Posted by: DaBear on Mar 11, 2008 12:05 PM   
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Just when I thought James couldn't copy and paste fast enough he goes and does it again.

We'll have to find new satisfactions now looking inward and reaching out with our limbs to those around us to discover what they are finding inward and outward about themselves.

This very line I've now seen in almost every single piece penned by JHK. Dood, you need new material.

Still, it's funny stuff and I love the history he outlines. As for his post-oil baseball... well, thankfully I don't live near him in butthole NY. Out west we'll be playin' commie-ball (SAHkur)... like we do now. All one needs is a ball, and something to mark out a goal. And JHK will be still looking for someone to edit for his numerous typos... so much for the machine age and spellcheck, huh James?

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What? Me Worry?
Posted by: Sojourner on Mar 11, 2008 12:36 PM   
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Kunstler provokes a wonderful sampling of styles of denial. I hope the thread here will be placed in a history vault so that our descendants will understand why the videos of late 20th and early 21st Century life show that we were so wasteful. They will have good reason to curse us.

The dominant form of denial explains it all: "I got mine. Everybody else better watch out." That pretty well covers why we are in trouble.

Yes, Kunstler charicatured red necks without explaining that there are several kinds. Sloppy. But I'd rather read Kunstler than statistical tables of numbers.

Either way those who don't want to listen won't. And that's always been the problem.

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The Saudi Friends
Posted by: modeler on Mar 11, 2008 1:14 PM   
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Money is what counts for them and the Euro at $1.50 plus is no longer the basis for oil pricing. Recession here it comes!

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Once again the sheep come running to the newfanlgy preachers ...
Posted by: DannyMan on Mar 11, 2008 1:29 PM   
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KUNTsler is such a moron. He is almost as much as a moron as that idiot Matt Savinar (well, maybe they’re about equal). Don’t be fooled by these modern-day snake-oil salesmen. If you’re one of the anointed few, you’ll simply waste your life waiting for an end that will never come (well the end of your life will come, but what a waste when you could have lived!).

KUNTsler predicts the end of suburbia with semi certainty every year (see his comments this year, then let’s talk 20 years down the road …). These are the worst kind of leftist idtiots – and the kind most sane people would like to punch in the face - Smug, self rightious and stupid (but acting oh, so smart).

KUNTsler & Savinanr obsess over every down day of the stock market but never mention the good days. Funny how tat works. They say the housing “crisis” has American homes “worthless” – hmmm. Have you seen the prices of homes lately? They don’t sell BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL TOO HIGH! Wow, if a home drops 30% in a couple years after rising 300% in the 3 years before that, is that a collapse? Hardly. People will get burned for sure. Just like the dotcom implosion. And the tech bubble. And now, it is commodities – yes, even their beloved “peak” oil. Oil WILL fall. Billions are lost to greed. It is an ageless story. Go back to Holland’s great tulip bubble in the 1600s – same crap.

I’ll give you and example of their crap. Last year, they cried about an Iranian oil bourse – how that would