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Election 2008

Obama's Line on Lobbyists Is Misleading

By Trudy Lieberman , Columbia Journalism Review. Posted February 26, 2008.


Obama claims that he doesn't take money from lobbyists. The truth is, he is as beholden to special interest groups as all of the other candidates.
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Saturday night at a Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, Virginia, Barack Obama did it again. He said he hadn't taken money from lobbyists. The election, he said, was boiling down to "a choice between debating John McCain about lobbying reform with a nominee who's taken more money from lobbyists than he has, [presumably Hillary Clinton] or doing it with a campaign that hasn't taken a dime of their money because we've been funded by you the American people." That he does not take money from lobbyists or from political action committees (PACs) is a point Obama often makes on the campaign trail, and his no-dirty-money rhetoric has positioned him as the candidate brave enough to shun business as usual in Washington. In November in Iowa, he said corporate lobbyists "have not funded my campaign." And in December he said in a New Hampshire Public Radio program, "I intend to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over, that they had not funded my campaigns ... " His message of financial purity is catching on. For just one recent example, a student writing in The Daily Evergreen, the student newspaper at Washington State University, told his readers last week that Obama has been careful not to compromise himself, "rejecting campaign support from Political Action Committees and lobbyists."

The word "lobbyist" seems to have a particular meaning in Obama's campaign vocabulary. His stump speeches imply that he is not taking money from people who want things from the government and push for them. The reality is that he has.

To explain: Opensecrets.org, the Web site of the Center for Responsive Politics, is the most authoritative source on campaign finances. Basing its reports on data from the Federal Election Commission, the Center shows that Obama indeed doesn't take much money from a sector the Center calls "lobbyists." Through the end of December, Clinton received more than $800,000 and McCain around $400,000 from this group, which the Center says includes people who work for lobbying firms at the local, state, and federal level and their relatives who are not otherwise employed, as well as those who are officially registered as Washington lobbyists. Obama received contributions of about just $86,000 from this group. Obama's Web site says he doesn't take money from Washington lobbyists or political action committees, and the Center says that if his campaign finds that the money came from registered Washington lobbyists, it does get returned.

How meaningful is this? "It's a politically smart position for him to take. It sounds profound," says Massie Ritsch, communications director for the Center for Responsive Politics. "But in fact neither PACs nor lobbyists give a lot to presidential campaigns. He's not leaving a whole lot of money on the table by eschewing PACs and lobbyists." PAC money represents only about one percent of all the money in a presidential race because, Ritsch says, so many people donate that their contributions dwarf PAC money.


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OMG!
Posted by: Rune on Feb 26, 2008 12:12 AM   
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Obama, a mainstream, corporate approved, politician, is taking large sums of money from corporate and professional interests? I'm SHOCKED! . . . And he is not being candid about it? Oh my God!! Who woulda thunk it?!


It's the corporatocracy, stupid.

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» RE: OMG! Posted by: factbased
» LIAR = BaRHETORIC Obama Posted by: macaac
» RE: OMG! Posted by: happyhermit
Obama's misleading
Posted by: crat3 on Feb 26, 2008 3:22 AM   
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Obama shows a disturbing pattern of lying - rudely snubbing Sen. Clinton at the SOTU and lying about it, lifting rhetoric and passing it off as his own, pledging to use public financing in the general election and denying he made any pledge, using untruthful mailings to get votes, and his misleading claims that he doesn't take money from lobbyists.

Obama's pattern of lying shows a fundamental character flaw of dishonesty, making him unfit for the presidency, besides being unqualified and inexperienced.

Preaching hope, inspiration, change, with no substance, no specifics, no media challenge, and media fawning, Obama is instructive of how demagogues rise to power to inflict horrors on humanity.

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» RE: Obama's misleading Posted by: FireWall8651
this honeymoon has an expiration date
Posted by: schnoggi on Feb 26, 2008 3:37 AM   
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don't get me wrong, i am extremely opposed to a Hillary presidency, and McCain is unthinkable. But after Obama the fine orator, we will have to meet Obama the boring unimaginative president, who we can be quite sure will be a raging mediocrity, with next to zero real courage, and very little vision or spine at all. It's really a very sad thing if this pool is the best the Dems can offer.

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my paper doesn't have an ombudsman
Posted by: Lauren on Feb 26, 2008 4:06 AM   
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My congresswoman doesn't cover papers, wrong jurisdiction. FCC is under the direction of the president.

Everyone seems to think discriminating against native Americans is perfectly OK. This makes me suicidal, so when I talk to people about it, they call the police.

At least the police listened to me tell them I felt that way because of something I was told BY the police, there were other things they would not allow me to say.

He told me the officer lied. It does not reassure me to have the police tell me the police lie, I know that. It threatens my life, I am very aware of it. It was my husband that suddenly did not know officer DARE was a validating liar.

The police regularly lie to people, they are trained to.

That brick wall is really a maze. Not a set in stone maze you can figure out, but an interactive maze designed to kill you. It's that garden wall from the other side, the militarized zone.

When I started telling the officers my life was threatened BY the police, suddenly he decided I was manic, and he couldn't understand any of my babbling, etc, etc. Cleverly derailed.

I noticed this same effect when I was talking about all the criminal activity I am encountering by various tax employed personnel and holders of the public trust to my congresswomen's staff.

As soon as my statement slopped over into her department, I was brought up short to get the record corrected. Their office is not blatant like the city and county. When I complained about the city police, she did ask what city. Everything else I was talking about was just not under her. Very clever, they are on their toes.

Other than that, everyone is letting me babble on. This is a big change, I used to always get cut off by these kinds of people.

I can also hear the manic tapping into my phone line - off and on, cutting bits a pieces of choice comments. Whoever is taping me, is editing the hell out of it as recorded. Obviously gathering evidence against me - a religious and political leader - as a form of harassment.

There is nothing to get you upset like having your life threatened on a regular basis. When I tried to explain this perfectly normal reaction to the police suddenly - I'm not making sense.

I feel this as the most incredible - and deadly - discrimination. I am trying to tell them so, they don't want to hear about it.

It just occurred to me this morning, it could actually be a product of the vast intellectual difference between us. I don't think so, but maybe they really do not understand, maybe they are not smart enough to understand me. It is possible, especially when I am talking. I assume people know things more than they do. I'm 'over educated'.

Not meaning they get to throw me in jail, meaning someone should allow me to educate them. That is what the newspaper and so many others have made sure no one can do. It is a firewall against my people.

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I can't run for congress
Posted by: Lauren on Feb 26, 2008 4:10 AM   
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I was VERY upset to discover I can't run for congress because I am still registered as a Democrat. I missed the deadline to change my registration so now I can't run.

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semantics: I do not take any money from lobbyists; I only fool around with
Posted by: Suzon on Feb 26, 2008 4:22 AM   
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special interest groups.

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No you can't! No you can't! No you can't!
Posted by: KAEL on Feb 26, 2008 4:34 AM   
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How to take back this nomination from the American Idol front runner? Note the WP report yesterday of his widening support. How to get the (hugely lazy and easily mesmerized) media to listen?

Ritualistically attacking those who don't support him as "cynics"? This is not change. It is at best insulting to 50% of his party and at worst to a whole lot of independents too. Oh ya, then he's going to unite his party follwed by the country? Right!

Giving more money by a factor of three to super delegates while trying to change the rules that govern super delegates? This is not change. It is being better than your average bear at the sleaziest game in town, now made sleazier by the specter of the emptiest suit that's ever run for President working the stage like Garth Brooks.

Despite current polls (not factoring any challenges to his candidacy at all), he will lose to McCain in the fall, starting with debate arguments about national security and the military. It won't help that Barack in one of the most supremely stupid acts of poltical theatue in US history took his US flag lapel pin OFF as a "political gesture" and then Michelle had her ever so confident and clearly truthful Oprah Moment where she told the world that she had never been proud of her county. McCain will have these people for lunch!

The national election will not be like the primaries. Old folk vote and kids and independents don't. Old folk (the baby boomers) will own this election and Obama will go down. Clinton can beat McCain. Obama is simply too left and too full of himself to achieve that goal.

Let's send the Obamas back to Illinois. This man will cost us the Presidency, and then the media and his fans will say it was about race.

Which is ANOTHER gauling thing about the Idol's candidacy. It has stifled authentic debate about issues. From the day his campaign played the race card by calling a simple truth about politics involving MKL and LBJ "racist", this man and his supporters have shut down political discourse. It is very clear from the primaries that the only block of voters in this country that has not been color blind is his base.

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Media schmedia
Posted by: BST on Feb 26, 2008 5:20 AM   
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The media made its collective decision long ago to push the agenda of a young, handsome, charming orator who would play well against the aging, baggage-heavy, thick-ankled nasty (who happens to be my choice for president).

I've worked in media most of my life and never have been more ashamed of it than now. Finally, I understand and empathize with the decades-long complaints of conservatives about the liberal press.

Yup, I know what you mean.

But then we must all realize that these are industries dying out to the Internet, its bloggers and independent thinkers, so they're absolutely desperate for a spin or a dog fight.

It's ratings and subscribers and single-copy buyers at stake here, folks, but then you already know that. For shame, on all of them.

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» RE: Media schmedia Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Media schmedia Posted by: VZEQICVA
Is anyone really surprised?
Posted by: uluro on Feb 26, 2008 5:35 AM   
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That a politician would actually tell a lie?
OMG, how shocking!

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Thank you!
Posted by: moevaughn on Feb 26, 2008 5:55 AM   
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Thank you so much for this post. Obama has gotten the proverbial free-pass from the get-go. I hope he gets more scrutiny before the Democrats find themselves with a candidate in the general election who is the least qualified nominee in the whole past 20th century.
The Republicans are happy w/ his candidacy: the Dem Party is now divided and maybe on its way to being conquered.

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» RE: Thank you! Posted by: Lauren
» Saint Barak Posted by: Sparks56
The title of this article is misleading
Posted by: rickiey on Feb 26, 2008 6:09 AM   
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Allow me to cut through the verbosity of this article to summarize it:

1. Obama claimes he doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
2. Obama doesn't take money from lobbyists or PACs.
3. Lobbyists and PACs don't spend a lot of money on campaigns.
4. He does take money from individuals that are employed in market sectors that sometimes hire lobbyists, like his opponent does.

Somehow that makes him a liar? I'm looking for the lie and not seeing it.

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» RE: The title of this article is misleading Posted by: gjohloc@hotmail.com
Cut through the rhetoric and the fancy speeches to the truth!
Posted by: funintheflsun on Feb 26, 2008 6:32 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It's about time the press started scrutinzing Obama as they have Hillary from day one. This man could become our nominee and everyone is so enamored of his fancy "change" speeches that they are not even digging into who the man is. Wake up before it is too late. Trust me, the Republicans are already looking and they have lots on this guy. Sometimes it surprises me how gullible and stupid some progressives can be. That's why the Republicans always out smart us.
Who is putting Obama over the top? For the most part it's independants who should not even be voting for the candidate that the Democrats want to represent them. In poll after poll, the Democratic voters want Hillary. Our process is being corrupted by Republicans and Independants. I'm not saying Obama is bad or evil, I will support him if he is our nominee. I'm just saying that Demos better wake up and do some hard thinking before we make such a critical decision.

Last August The Boston Globe, in a piece by Scott Helman, took a hard look at Obama's contributions, noting that "behind Obama's campaign rhetoric about taking on special interests lies a more complicated truth." That truth revealed that as a state legislator in Illinois, a U.S. senator, and as a presidential aspirant, Obama had collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from lobbyists and PACs.

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Semantics and Distortion
Posted by: snax on Feb 26, 2008 6:40 AM   
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Trudy Lieberman, you are arguing a case of semantics here. Lifted directly from Opensecrets:

"METHODOLOGY: The totals on these charts are calculated from PAC contributions and contributions from individuals giving more than $200, as reported to the Federal Election Commission. Individual contributions are generally categorized based on the donor's occupation/employer, although individuals may be classified instead as ideological donors if they've given more than $200 to an ideological PAC."

For the comprehensionally impaired, that makes anybody who listed an employer, giving more than $200, a corporate lobbyist.

Anybody looking at the data directly can clearly see who is beholden to so called 'lobbyists', (seriously, go look at the graphs), and it is clear that LARGE donors prefer Hillary Clinton above all else, whereas the common person is behind the majority of contributions to the Obama campaign, regardless of how you try to label them.

Go apply for a job at Fox News. I'm sure they'd love to employ somebody who can so eloquently distort the truth.

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Story has no teeth
Posted by: RobNLA on Feb 26, 2008 8:24 AM   
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The story claims Obama is misleading and suggests he's actually accepting money from PACs and lobbyists, but then changes gears by suggesting individual donations are special interests.

For example, the article suggests that Obama is beholded to special interests in the health industry because health professionals, which include doctors, nurses, and dentists, have given Clinton some $2.3 million and Obama $1.7 million.

So the logic then is that he should reject donations from anyone in medicine? Just because someone works in this industry doesn't automatically make them part of a special interest group for the medical industry.

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unreachable standards
Posted by: garella on Feb 26, 2008 10:33 AM   
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The critique here is empty because there's no viable alternative that's available.

Of course, everyone who donates to a campaign has some reason for doing so, something they want the candidate to do, whether it's opposing environmental regulations (bad!) or stopping US agents from committing acts of torture (good!).

So everyone who donates is a lobbyist on this level. There's no way for Obama, or any candidate, to distinguish because the distinction is meaningless.

The only way, in the world of this article, for a candidate to truthfully claim he/she takes no money from lobbyists is therefore to take no money from anyone.

Well, that would be nice, but we would need a 100% publicly financed campaign system first.

If you're going to hold someone to a standard, you better design your standard so it's possible to meet it.

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What's the problem?
Posted by: thelostsailor on Feb 26, 2008 2:00 PM   
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Lying is the one quality that saves the butt of every president. Ooooooh, you don't expect a presidential candidate to lie! Even if Obama did have great morals and ethics prior to running for president, a few days involved in the circus called a US presidential campaign would turn any candidate into a dark lord. How could any human cast aside all the LEGAL lobbying that these candidates must bathe with every day? Eventually they breakdown in the face of the dollar and turn (to the dark side).
McCain...you wouldn't EVER trust him to tell the truth- thus, he has gathered the trust of the Republican Party....

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THE GENTLEMAN AND SCHOLAR
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 26, 2008 2:12 PM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Enough already. Obama is a very impressive guy. But he has yet to be challenged by anyone on anything. He has gotten preferential treatment from the get go. I think it's time for some definitive statements. Change is not a strategy. It's a sales pitch that many have bought into. That's understandable. Starting with Iraq: you don't just 'bring them home', it's not that simple. He has to get specific. Thanks, ANNA

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$80 K versus Clinton's $800K
Posted by: WILDSTARCHILD on Feb 26, 2008 3:28 PM   
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MMM? The lesser of 2 evils I suppose. Let's not forget Barack has raised 90% of his money from average folks sending less than $100. A million individual donors and no they are not all drinking the kool-aide.
This shows a movement from the the ground up. Now who do you think will influence the Senator more,$80K from special interests or $100 million from THE PEOPLE. This all needs to be put in perspective. Also, Barack needs to address this inconsistency with a rebuttal that makes sense. For I have no doubt McCant will be using this against him.

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Follow the money
Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:33 PM   
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Ever wonder why the "progressive" (as he repeatedly describes himself) Obama dances for Wall Street on the (fake) Social Security "crisis" and sounds like Mitt Romney and Rudy Guliani in decrying the specter of "government mandated" universal health care? Curious about why the avowed environmentalist thinks that nuclear power should be considered part of the solution to America's energy crisis and has recently joined Hillary in voting for the extension of the corporate-neoliberal North American Free Trade Agreement to Peru?

FOLLOW THE MONEY

Obama's presidential campaign has received nearly $5 million dollars from securities and investment firms and $866,000 from commercial banks through October of 2007. Obama's top contributor so far is Goldman Sachs (provider of $369,078 to Obama), identified by Center for Responsive Politics (CRP) investigators as "a major proponent of privatizing Social Security as well as legislation that would essentially deregulate the investment banking/securities industry." Eight of Obama's top twenty election investors are securities and investment firms: Goldman Sachs, Lehman Bros. (#2 at $229,090), J.P. Morgan Chase and Co. (# 4 at $216,759), Citadel Investment Group (#7 at 4166,608), UBS AG ($146,150), UBS-America ($106,680), Morgan Stanley ($104,421), and Credit Suisse Group ($92,300). The last two firms are also known to be leading privatization advocates.

Meanwhile, Obama's presidential run has been "assisted" by more than $2 million from the health care sector and nearly $400,000 from the insurance industry through October of 2007. Obama received $708,000 from medical and insurance interests between 2001 and 2006.

And Obama's sixth largest contributor is Exelon, the proud Chicago-based owner and operator of more nuclear power plants than any entity on earth.

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» RE: Follow the money Posted by: rickiey
Money-money-money
Posted by: chlamor on Feb 26, 2008 3:38 PM   
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Let’s see where these candidates get their money to convince you to vote for them;

Hillary Clinton;

Goldman Sachs $413,361 Morgan Stanley $362,700 Citigroup Inc $350,895 Lehman Brothers $241,870 JP Morgan Chase & Co $214,880 EMILY's List $213,266 National Amusements Inc $210,010 Kirkland & Ellis $179,676 Greenberg Traurig Llp $177,800 Skadden, Arps et al $167,796 Merrill Lynch $165,042 Cablevision Systems $145,313 Time Warner $144,977 Microsoft Corp $143,459 Bear Stearns $141,835 Latham & Watkins $138,598 Patton Boggs $137,200 Ernst & Young $126,865 PricewaterhouseCoopers $121,939

Barack Obama:

Goldman Sachs $421,763 Ubs Ag $296,670 Lehman Brothers $250,630 National Amusements Inc $245,843 JP Morgan Chase & Co $243,848 Sidley Austin LLP $226,491 Citigroup Inc $221,578 Exelon Corp $221,517 Skadden, Arps Et Al $196,420 Jones Day $181,996 Citadel Investment Group $171,798 Time Warner $155,383 Morgan Stanley $155,196 Google Inc $152,802 University of California $143,029 Jenner & Block $136,565 Kirkland & Ellis $134,738 Wilmerhale Llp $119,245 Credit Suisse Group $118,250

We hear it all the time: “Republicans are the party of big business and Democrats are the party of the people.” Court rulings have even endorsed the idea that spending cash in support of candidates is “free speech.” There sure is a ton of money being spent for something that is "free."

In his Super Tuesday speech, Mr. Obama asserted that he isn’t taking money from PAC’s during his presidential campaign. While this is true, he nevertheless has received huge amounts of campaign cash from individuals associated with certain industries.

B-U-N-D-L-E-R-S

Ask yourself these questions after reviewing the statistics:

1. Which party is the party of big business (hint: they both are)?
2. Do you believe campaign cash has a direct impact on legislation and policy?
3. Do you believe either Clinton or Obama is free to act on behalf of the American people instead of catering to corporate America?

Straight from the horses mouth:

“I believe all of you are as open and willing to listen as anyone else in America. I believe you care about this country and the future we are leaving to the next generation. I believe your work to be a part of building a stronger, more vibrant, and more just America. I think the problem is that no one has asked you to play a part in the project of American renewal.”

- Barack Obama, speaking to the masters of “American” finance capitalism at the headquarters of NASDAQ, Wall Street, New York City, September 17, 2007

"I believe that U.S. forces are still a part of the solution in Iraq.”

- Barack Obama

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» RE: Money-money-money Posted by: AltB
» Also: the quotes Posted by: AltB
Just WORDS remember?
Posted by: weslen1 on Feb 26, 2008 4:26 PM   
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Everything he SAYS is JUST WORDS. No MEANING, just a WORD, no FEELINGS, just a WORD, no HONESTY, just a WORD, no INTEGRITY, just a WORD, doesn't take money from LOBBYISTS, just a word. He's a SHYSTER. CONSTITUTION? JUST A GODDAMNED PIECE OF PAPER. CORRUPTION? Just a WORD. Well that one depends on who's getting the money. Guess we know who that is.
Martin Luthor King Jr. was an HONEST MAN. Barack O-ego trip spits on his memory. He accuses Hillary and everyone else of saying anything, using any dirty trick to get the votes but lets himself off the hook while he does the same. He attacks from the shadows then denies he had anything to do with it, puts his own propaganda out there and blames it on Hillary and when she tells the truth out in the open he accuses her some more of using attacks that are "unfounded" even though they are the truth. That is the ones SHE uses, not the ones NOVAK and DRUDGE among others dream up. Except the picture "leaked" to Drudge I believe Obama handed over himself as a smoke screen to cover his own attacks.

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beyond misleading
Posted by: happyhermit on Feb 26, 2008 9:29 PM   
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go to whitehouseforsale.org

or type "obama" into sourcewatch.org

or nakedfrogblog.blogspot.com


obama's hairsplitting rhetorical distinctions between "lobbyist" and "bundlers" and "special interests" are beyond misleading.

but if they can mislead the american people into thinking he's clean and beating mccain, so be it.

still, we should know what we're getting ourselves into. i've been waiting for a good article on this subject.

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» RE: beyond misleading Posted by: rickiey
Joe is that you???
Posted by: AltB on Feb 26, 2008 10:44 PM   
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Is this a misfortunate likeness of name? :D

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