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Naomi Klein: Bush Sees Crises in Fuel, Food, Housing and Banking as Chance to Exploit Us More

By Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!. Posted July 16, 2008.


People are desperate for solutions but instead they're handed policies that don't solve the crises, and are highly profitable for corporations.
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As the country and the world reel from crises ranging from skyrocketing oil prices and global food shortages to housing and climate change, how best to understand the government policies being pushed through? Democracy Now! host Amy Goodman interviewed Naomi Klein, author of 'The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism'.

Amy Goodman: President Bush has lifted an almost two-decade-old executive order banning offshore and natural gas drilling. With prices at the pump over $4 a gallon, Bush has been pushing to allow more drilling in the Outer Continental Shelf and the Arctic Wildlife National Refuge, amidst strong opposition from environmentalists.

The executive drilling ban was issued by President George H.W. Bush in 1990. His son's lifting of the ban yesterday is largely symbolic, because a separate congressional ban has prohibited offshore drilling since 1981. Speaking on the White House lawn Monday, the President urged lawmakers to lift the ban.

    President George Bush: The failure to act is unacceptable. It's unacceptable to me, and it's unacceptable to the American people. So today I've issued a memorandum to lift the executive prohibition on oil exploration in the OCS. With this action, the executive branch's restrictions on this exploration have been cleared away. This means that the only thing standing between the American people and these vast oil resources is action from the US Congress. Now the ball is squarely in Congress's court.


Goodman: In President Bush's final months of office, the economy is at the top of the agenda. Oil prices now exceed $140 a barrel, more than double $70 a year ago. The high cost of oil has helped exacerbate the global food crisis that threatens to push over 100 million people below the poverty line due to rising food prices. This all comes amidst an ongoing housing crisis, with the US Treasury and Federal Reserve unveiling sweeping steps to possibly bail out the nation's two largest mortgage lenders, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Amidst these multiple crises, how best to understand government policies being enacted? Naomi Klein is the author of The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism. The book is out in paperback this month. It was first published in September, and in some ways, much of what Naomi writes about in the book is more relevant today. ... Food, fuel, housing, climate change -- talk about these crises. First, start with oil.

Klein: There really is a kind of a tsunami of shocks facing not just the economy but people's lives, people's real lives. They're all intersecting. They're making each other worse. And I think we really are seeing some very live examples of what a write about in the book, which is how there is a strategy. And this is what I mean by "the shock doctrine." There is a clear political strategy, and has been for several decades, to exploit these moments when people are desperate for quick-fix solutions and more inclined to believe in a kind of a magical cure, to push through very, very unpopular policies that don't actually solve the crisis at hand, that don't actually help people, but are incredibly profitable for multinational corporations.

And I think we are seeing a very vivid example of this with this speech from George Bush yesterday, where he is taking a very real crisis, which is demanding complex and profound changes in the way we live, in the way we organize our economy, but particularly in the need to diversify our energy sources. And I think there's a tremendous actual amount of support for this idea from the public. And he comes in -- and I call him in my recent column the "extortionist-in-chief." Basically what he's saying is he's holding the country ransom. He's not taking any of these long-term policy routes to dealing with climate change, to dealing with high oil prices. It's just let us drill, or, you know, nobody can go on summer vacation. And he's selling a myth, which is that by allowing drilling, the price at the pump is going to go down, which is really interesting, because just yesterday, in response to Bush's announcement, oil went up, and oil futures went up. And so, the price of oil is going to keep going up.

Goodman: What would -- how long would it take the oil drilled offshore, if he succeeds in getting his father's ban reversed, to get into the supply?

Klein: Well, first of all, I think it's really important for people to understand that we are being subjected to an incredibly aggressive media campaign sponsored by the oil and gas industry. And, you know, it's to the point where it really is impossible to tell the difference between the paid advertisements, which we're being bombarded with on cable news from the oil and gas industry, talking about how they can solve the problem of high prices with more drilling, and all of these commentators, from Larry Kudlow to Sean Hannity, repeating these talking points, and not to mention Dick Cheney, who just propagated a complete lie, saying that China was drilling off the coast of Cuba, and the Vice President's office actually had to retract that. It turns out his source was George Will, who also had to issue a correction. China is not drilling off of Cuba. And so, there's a very aggressive campaign going on.


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Naomi is Spot On ... These Are Teacherous Times ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 16, 2008 1:20 AM   
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And already, besides Bush's expected giveaways, we see the Congress surrender to it's worst instincts by passing the FISA Bill, giving away billions for the Iraq War, trying to initiate sanctions against Iran that are Acts of War along with other acts of desperation.

Then there is financial debacle where we, the tax payers, are being billed for the private banks and hedge funds greedy excesses to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars, yet barely is heard a discouraging word or who should be held accountable.

Of course, as far as the housing and banking debacle, the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve deserves 80% of the blame for failing to regulate and police the financial marketplace while holding interest rates well below what they should have been, for the profits of their shareholders, the private banks that own the Federal Reserve.

And what punishment does the Fed get? More Power! They now oversee, not only their member banks but investment banks and hedge funds as well. And now, to bail out Fannie and Freddie they will get, well, they will get a blank check of tax payers money! Sounds fair... screw the whole financial system with lax regulation and enforcement while creating inflationary money for your private owners and get ... unfettered access to as much of the people's money as you like.

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Naomi Klein is my heroine!
Posted by: james_allen on Jul 16, 2008 1:34 AM   
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Roundup Ready -- patented crops resistant to a widely touted herbicide; crops typically designed to be sterile to ensure repeat business for seed seller. This is an insidious evil; it's almost incomprehensible that the public accepts such things. The debate on Frankenstein food has been twisted to concern only immediate food safety, while the real problem is long-term biodiversity loss.

Anyone with an ounce of love for the Earth and its future should should be horrified by such things.

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Wrap the once White House
Posted by: weathered on Jul 16, 2008 4:09 AM   
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in yellow/black police tape and lock it down as a crime scene.

Look very closely at Mulkasey&Co.and the media protected senators who were key to his installation and we'll see the 'extortionst-in-chief' has buy-in from many, making repairations difficult.
When a country Lies to itself, it minimizes itself.

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With So Much Blood In The Water ...
Posted by: gazooks on Jul 16, 2008 4:40 AM   
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... the feeding frenzy will only grow.

In a best case, Obama may influence policy to mitigate some of the most blatantly insidious exploits and overt environmental damage of corporate objectives, IF there's an increasing, incessant and organized grass roots activism. But only if. There's no time for a honeymoon if he succeeds. If he doesn't, options certainly narrow, join the NRA or the next flight to Mars.

To avoid the most cynical effects of an Obama Presidency, anyone inclined to activism had better be prepared to devote much time, energy and resources to building a counterforce to the momentum of the unconscionable corporate greed that's relentlessly gaining ground. Any doubts of the fascist path we're on should be dispelled by now, our dwindling freedoms best be well used.

Already we see the potential for the uncontested continuation of parasitical corporate initiatives facilitated by an ever economically weaker electorate. If we even have a remote chance of effecting a change of course we must commit, in whatever way we can as individuals, to fight like holy hell.

We're either the willing victims of these circling predators or we exact a steepening cost to them and their proxies. Pick your fight well.

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Climate change, take the resources, please!
Posted by: warrior woman on Jul 16, 2008 4:53 AM   
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This idea has been niggling in my subconscious for a while now. We know the R's essentially are doing the opposite of what they are saying. Therefore, I propose that they know the breadth and extent of global climate change. They push their views on coastal drilling, GCC is a hoax, etc. while all the time, they are gobbling up the resources that will offer them control and power in the future. Not so distant future, I might add.

If they get their stupid, following breathren to believe that there is not change and to be their little warriors, they create enough havoc that we're not looking while they buy up water rights (TX, t boone pickens an example) or other resources and they maintain their power, actually, are increasing it immensely.

Now, on the other hand, since they know that the change is happening rather quickly now, what to do? Raising the price of gas very quickly essentially does the "right" thing. It causes people to drive much less therefore decreasing carbon output but there is no widespread immediate panic (economic or civil unrest immediately upon notice) caused by say a govt telling people they must decrese emmissions by 30% or more. Airlines have decreased flights. The big auto makers are decreasing manufacture of the big cars. Just a few examples.

Belt tightening without broad fear and panic of our ultimate demise. I do not say that we don't feel these things, just that it is not more than pissing in the wind on blog sites- there's no organized reaction that would cause them to retract their approaches.

I've philosophically argued with a friend over this thought. "How could they be doing the right thing, they're morally corrupt?" Well, they have to live too, BUT, they want to maintain their money, power and greed scenarios.

So, they tell us just the opposite, as usual, all the while, they're sweeping up control of the resources. Some might say I give them too much credit. Yet remember, they've been manipulating us for a very long time. Think about it. THe more that I do, the more I think that I'm right. The next question is, what do we do about it???

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Yes it's a Disaster
Posted by: beautifulady2003 on Jul 16, 2008 5:38 AM   
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But how do we stop it? The Obama cult will elect him in November (McCain has no cult, but nothing else either), and as I have said again and again, the corporate engine will keep on running America into the ground. I will vote for Nader or Kucinich, if only to exercise my right to vote but also to protest what this country is becoming and where it is going. The greed and avarice of big business "trickles down" and affects even the vanishing middle class and the poor. People allow themselves to be propagandized into believing that oil will become cheap again, food will be plentiful, houses will be affordable, and jobs will abound. None of these things will happen.

When hordes of Americans literally find themselves living in the streets, they will finally understand that they were just a figment of a rich corporation's imagination. Because in a sense, human beings, individuals, are no longer real. Dehumanized, they can be used and discarded for corporate gain.

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quakergirl
Posted by: quakergirl on Jul 16, 2008 5:46 AM   
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911 had been in planning by the Pentagon and the Wall St bankers like Rockerfeller for 10 years. Canada was involved (NORAD included Canada during war games on 911 which were programmed in Canada). Planning for the this was started in the 1980s with Rex-84 Martial Law Plan (see Wikepedia) which is so secret that Congress is not allowed to see it. Oliver North worked on this and it did include suspension of the of the Constitution (what's left of it) and declassified meeting notes say that FEMA was originally to be called Federal Emergency Military Agency and felt it was too scary a name to be accepted. They also decided to sell the FEMA camps as places for Mexican immigrants, even though they were intended for the American dissenters and resisters once martial law is declared. Dissenters are political and resisters are those who refuse to give up their guns.

The 1 million Americans on the Terroist Watch List people who are labeled red is a pick up list for martial law. Those people will be picked up and taken away to FEMA camps after martial law. The leaders however(labeled blue) will have been picked up at 3 in the morning and shot 2 weeks before martial law is declared. (This is reported by some people.)

911 was an inside job designed by the military complex, Rockerfeller, the Trilateral Com., the CFR top heads and traitors in the top of the Pentagon. It was designed to get total control of the American people thru a fake war on terror. The last laugh was theirs since they themselves were the terrorists.

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Ms. Klein's subtitle should read...
Posted by: Last Chance on Jul 16, 2008 5:45 AM   
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"The Rise AND FALL of Disaster Capitalism" since the system is so obviously devouring itself and dragging everyone with it.

Purblind corporations need a growing population to grow the economy to overcome the falling rate of profit, regardless of consequences because it's a consume-and-throw-away process.

Everyone knows this but are reluctant to discuss it except once briefly on this website, but nowhere else. Yet, it is the key to our survival as a species --

Reduce the human population through family planning and women's rights and all the pollution can be recycled and there will be plenty of resources for everyone. If not -- One More Destiny

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ram files of this interview were cut off
Posted by: wagadog on Jul 16, 2008 6:06 AM   
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I tried to watch it on DN's website last night, using my usual mplayer applied to the ram playlist -- and it was cut off right here:

So when you press people who are selling this drill in ANWR, more offshore oil drilling, also drilling into the shale in places like Montana, what they actually say is that the reason why it will lower prices at the pump, you know, soon, this summer, is because it will send a message to the stock marke...SNIP!

Same thing with the flash embedded player. It took 2 hours to torrent down the mp4 file, in which time I simply read the text.

Someone must really not like having this information disseminated. I'm making a data CD with the mp4 on it today to distribute to my (protested the vietnam war and are very aware of these issues) aunts and uncles and cousins and brothers and sisters at a family reunion this weekend.

I suggest y'all do the same. This is a very important interview.

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Welcome to the Second Great Depression
Posted by: james2021 on Jul 16, 2008 6:09 AM   
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The Monopolists of the early 20th Century were defeated by the First Great Depression, and the polititians decided to try to prevent another.

Enter the Republicans in 1980, with Saint Ronald, and the dismantling of the safeguards after 1929, began.

The latest is Phil (I lost money on Porn investments) Gramm. Thru his efforts and the Republican rubber stamp congress, all the safeguards involving Banking were dismantled, leading to the Current Financial Crisis.

The Oil companies, under Clinton, almost resurected the Standard Oil Trust from the early 1920's, with the result of $4.00 soon to be $5.00 Gasoline. With no end in sight, and nothing to hold them back, the Monopolists will have cornered the oil market, and will be free to set the price anywhere they want. In addition to preventing any competing energy sources from coming on line rapidly.

What a Wonderful World the Republicans have created for the rest of us.

Recession is only in the minds of the poor or near poor. Bu$h and the Republicans are doing just fine.

Let the peaseants eat cake.

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Depression 2.0: Roots are with the Democrats
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 16, 2008 6:24 AM   
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This is a deeply misleading article on several counts. It overly focuses on the crimes of George Bush, while ignoring where the macro-economic failing first started: under the Democrats. The fact is, we would be in this crisis if Al Gore had been the president for the past eight years.

Do you think Al would not have gone to war? Do you think Al, under advice from Greenspan, not allowed a housing bubble to correct the Clinton high tech bubble excesses? Come on...

Don't you think the current 'green bubble' has big Al's grubby hands all over it, including the global food crisis provoked by the biofuel switch? Look at the big picture, don't just follow Naomi on her witch hunt against George.

Klein's 'disaster progressivism' sees conspiracies where there aren't, and misses the real villains.

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One Million terrorists, when do you get time to look at economy?
Posted by: flymulla on Jul 16, 2008 7:03 AM   
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One Million terrorists, when do you get time to look at economy?
Mr. Bush is chasing the wrong goose. It is not Osama, not Saddam, not Taliban, Not Al Qaeda. That was the time. Why does he stick to the veto system daily? Any bright idea he put a veto on it. What has happened is, they live happily now, but the economy is in a rut. Mr. Bush is still pushing the numbers; 1 million are terrorist, still counting. Hence, he gets very little time to sit for fixing the economy.
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We need an overview of our own policies; then say bye bye to the Corporations
Posted by: coldham on Jul 16, 2008 7:12 AM   
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I had occasion to see an interview with Charlie Rose and Amory Lovins, Chairman of the Rocky Mountain Institute following Amy's interview with Naomi. He is an energy expert and seems to have all the answers regarding energy policies and practices in the US. He put in perspective the role of oil and other energy sources and left me relieved that what is happening to us is only a manipulation of one corner of the Energy scene and that there are other ways around disaster politics and the corporations. American Energy Policy is wrapped around corporations and our evil congress but it need not be.

Since President Jimmy Carter, the solar solution has paved the way in renew ables and in sound home building practices. In many places around the world, these practices have allowed people to dismiss oil altogether as well as electricity. There are whole cities in Germany that don't use a drop of oil to heat them or a pound of coal to generate an electric power plant. It proves, as did Amory Lovins, that we really don't need big oil and we can really tell them to drop dead after this crisis is over. I think we should also tell this government to go to hell as well. Who needs a government that is constantly screwing us and taxing us to boot.

Regarding the corporate conspiracy, I went to our city government last year to find out if they approved of Solar power plants on roofs and if they had any plans. Here in Philadelphia, there was nothing in the wind. I then went to the speaker of the House in Pennsylvania, a guy named Percell, and asked his people if they had any alternative energy programs, and they also fell short. I knew in advance that the major energy plants and producers held in private hands, PECO, AND other Corporations had conspired against the public to kill alternative energy and home building practices, but that was back in 1980. It is obvious that you are not going to get any help from our governments.

This energy crisis has exposed a model of our relationship between business and government and I feel it is wise to apply that model to our Medical Corporations, our Pharmaceutacles and so forth. I am shocked to find out that we actually are being harmed by these entities as well.
But then, disaster capitalism was once called corporate greed.

I fear that the biggest disaster, the economy, is about to collapse and we better have our ducks lined up before we let Georgie win the day.

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Cheney is
Posted by: BlammDaddy on Jul 16, 2008 7:43 AM   
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The scum of the earth. He lies over and over and the citizens do nothing. They now know, without any doubt. that most Americans are basically either brainwashed ,flag waving. dupes or just pussies.
Had a regime like this shown up in 1950 they would have all been killed by now.
Have fun. I will since I no longer reside in the Empire.

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When it comes down to it.....
Posted by: nfamous on Jul 16, 2008 8:02 AM   
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Most Americans know there are problems and many know the real source of them instead of what the media tells us. What is the next step? Changing our reality through political reform? Wrong. We cannot fix this system because it's owned by the people who rigged it against us. The only choice Americans have to repair the damage is physical violence. These people will never give up power but the real power still lies with the people and their strength in numbers. After all the technological gains made since the Industrial Revolution it still comes down to one man being able to kick another man's ass.

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Naomi should focus on the real culprits
Posted by: NotNeoCon on Jul 16, 2008 9:19 AM   
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Amy - I like you and I think Naomi is a superb writer and what she says makes a lot of sense. I would like for Naomi to write a piece describing in detail how and why the Neocons have gotten us into this mess. We spend more on military toys than the rest of the world combined. Our military is the biggest user of oil in the world. All of the inflated costs, etc. emanates from the tremendous cost of oil caused by this dumb military adventure. Have Naomi give the American people the real story on this issue and point fingers and the guilty parties!

This will never happen, and we will live on getting fed more and more BS.

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Right
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Jul 16, 2008 11:00 AM   
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the Sooner we get Dictator Bush out of the White House the better off we will all be! good riddance!

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