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So Far, No Good

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted March 16, 2006.


As Rep. John Murtha put it, 'The only people who want us in Iraq are Iran and al-Qaida.'

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President Bush has once more undertaken to explain to us "Why We Fight," which is also the title of an excellent new documentary on Iraq. According to the president, "Our goal in Iraq is victory." I personally did not find that a helpful clarification. According to the president, we are doomed to stay in Iraq until we "leave behind a democracy that can govern itself, sustain itself and defend itself."

That's not exactly getting closer every day. But, the Prez sez, "A free Iraq in the heart of the Middle East will make the American people more secure for generations to come." So far, no good. After three years, tens of thousands of lives and $200 billion, we have achieved chaos. As Rep. John Murtha put it, "The only people who want us in Iraq are Iran and al-Qaida."

Since the revisionist myth that we went to war to promote democracy keeps seeping into rational discussion, it is worth reminding ourselves that there never were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We are inarguably facing more terrorists now than there were when we started, so the Pentagon has decided to fight what it is now calling "the Long War."

Has anyone asked you about this? Me, neither. Nor has anyone asked Congress. The administration -- mostly Donald Rumsfeld -- just decided we would have a long war and declared it, and is now committing us to fight against a fuzzy ideology no one seems to be able to define.

Our problem now is that we're not fighting the people who attacked us -- they're still running around on the Afghan-Pakistan border while we battle Iraqis who don't like us occupying their country. As of Sept. 11, 2001, there were a few hundred people identified with al-Qaida's ideology. Even then, it was unclear the American military was the right tool for the job. Now, Rumsfeld is apparently prepared to put the full might of the U.S. military into this fight indefinitely, backed by the full panoply of ever-more expensive weapons and the whole hoorah. I don't think the people who got us into Iraq should be allowed to do this because, based on the evidence of Iraq, I don't think they have the sense God gave a duck.

On top of everything else, Rumsfeld is now circulating a grand strategy for the Long War written by Newt Gingrich.

Am I the only person covering politics who ever noticed that Newt Gingrich is actually a nincompoop? When Newt bestrode the political world like a colossus (Time magazine's Man of the Year in 1995), many people took him seriously -- but he was a fool then, too. The Republicans were so thrilled to have someone on their side who had ideas, they never seemed to notice Newt's were drivel. From orphanages to space colonies, it was all shallow but endearingly enthusiastic futurism. Gingrich was the kind of person who read a book or two on something and would then be quite afire as to how this was going to fit into some shining future.

Republicans are so amnesiac, they didn't even snicker when Newt turned up recently posing as a respected party elder to give them advice on ethics. Ethics. Next, family values. I have no idea whom this administration plans to talk into its Long War, but I'm sure they won't roll out the new campaign in August. In order to sell this, they'll have to scare us, assuming some obliging terrorists don't do it for them.

I came across this quote in a recent obituary for George Gerbner, who headed the Annenberg School for Communication for 25 years: "Fearful people are more dependent, more easily manipulated and controlled, more susceptible to deceptively simple, strong, tough measures and hard-line postures. … They may accept and even welcome repression if it promises to relieve their insecurities."

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Orwellian future has come to pass
Posted by: allthingslucid on Mar 16, 2006 11:31 AM   
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You're always telling like it is, Molly. That last quotation you shared follows in line with the Orwellian reality that Bush has foisted upon the American people.

"War is Peace," "Ignorance is strength," "Freedom is slavery."

Welcome to George Bush's world.

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Orwellian future has come to pass
Posted by: Mycos on Mar 16, 2006 2:04 PM   
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"The administration -- mostly Donald Rumsfeld -- just decided we would have a long war and declared it, and is now committing us to fight against a fuzzy ideology no one seems to be able to define."

But is is defined Molly. PNAC. It's there in black and white. It is, has been, and will continue to be the playbook that this administration is following virtually to the letter, albeit with some changes made only as adaptions to unforeseen events .

Why it hasn't received more attention by either MOTR or "alternative" news media is something that baffles me.

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The Problem is Obvious
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Mar 16, 2006 4:28 PM   
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The entire population of America is suffering from Alzheimers.

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» RE: The Problem is Obvious Posted by: doccharli
God help us
Posted by: mishanti2 on Mar 16, 2006 5:26 PM   
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These men are lunatics...they are making the world so much more dangerous than ever. You can't force Democracy on everyone. We are losing it here and I am sorry but this is the only country that I am concerned about when I wake up every morning. Why hasn't Bush been able to convice Jordan and Saudi Arabia to become more democractic? I think we have spend too much money trying to change countries who then turn around and hate us.

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You left out "and CHINA."
Posted by: passit on Mar 16, 2006 5:34 PM   
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so you missed Murtha's whole point and distorted what he said in your article. Murhta's point being that we are depleting our resources. There's currently a co-operative agreement between: Russia, China and the 5 'stans. (how could we get kicked out of such a tiny country like that?)

Bush's policies since day one have driven us to the point where India, Mongolia and Iran want into that co-operative agreement, (I forget the name, perhaps someone here knows) - but - Guess what? That would align half the worlds population right there: 2 major oil producers, 2 major powers, 2 booming ecconomies and 1 major money bag and all possibly switching to the Euro sooner or later, more or less, when Iran open's it's "Mercantile Exchange" that it'll call the Bourse to sell it's crude. This Bourse is due to open on the Iranian New Year the 20th of March and they'll not be taking dollars for their oil no mo. Both Japan and China along with the Soviet Union have strong financial ties with Iran and we certainly can't buy their loyalty with this totally repugnant administration in power. What would we buy it with anyway, a worthless dollar? As the dollar gets dumped the price of oil will rise accordingly. If we or Israel bomb Iran, the price of oil will rise even moreso. And that all plays into who's hands? Big Oil, Big profits. Biggest oil spill currently on the north slope ever...get out and stretch your legs Molly.

Why do you even waste ink on gingrich?

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coalbanks
Posted by: coalbanks on Mar 16, 2006 6:58 PM   
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Orwell had it right, sadly. Various blocs of evershifting alliances fighting over resources & propaganda & repression to keep the domestic scene under control.

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Long War Plans
Posted by: Fishbone Soldier on Mar 16, 2006 11:23 PM   
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Is anyone else worried that their new plan is simply to let the Dems take the White House in 2008, rely on them to pull out of Iraq and then blame any future terrorist activity on President [Democrat]'s decision to leave Iraq?

Obviously, that would be complete BS, but I can already invision the spin revving up...

But then again, who cares? The spin will always be there - we have to rely on the notion that the populus can be edutcated and respect the facts/truth. If that doesn't happen, commen sense is worthless and people who point out the truth like Molly won't be worth much anyway...

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Of Course there has to be a "Long War"...
Posted by: adp3d on Mar 17, 2006 3:44 AM   
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...it worked so well for this country when we had a "Cold War". It gives a reason for those in power to sustain themselves. It serves to shift focus when other things crop up on the radar, such as health care. What this adminstration stupidly does not realize is that their domestic agenda would be more palatible if we weren't spending billions on Iraq. Tax cuts for the wealthy? Sure, why not...

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SMMMOOCCHHHEESSS For Molly
Posted by: Nez46 on Mar 17, 2006 4:39 AM   
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Good grief we love ya, Moll! Thanks for providing us with such great reading for so many years now! I don't think i've ever read anything you've penned that i didn't at least partially agree with--can't say the same for hardly anybody else.
Keep pushin the great stuff outta yer ink gun--some of us continue to listen intently!

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Don't forget
Posted by: Kristopher on Mar 17, 2006 4:40 AM   
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Newt isn't a nincompoop. He is a "convicted" nincompoop.

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funny and sad
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 17, 2006 4:48 AM   
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It's amazing how funny and sad Molly Ivins can be in one piece. It's clear that the Bushies are a gang of such idiotic nincompoops that they live up to the nin label by coming and pooping all over the peoples of the world.

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Help us, Pogo!
Posted by: mizipi on Mar 17, 2006 5:02 AM   
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We have met the terrorists, and they is us.

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Da Looooooong War
Posted by: mcbride on Mar 17, 2006 2:14 PM   
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Seems that a year or two ago, (not long after the mission was accomplished), when I wuz surf'en the channels I came across one of them talking heads and Rummy (or maybe one of them several star Generals) - anyway they were talking about the insurgency. Sez the talking head, "How long we gonna take to wrap up things in Iraq?" Sez Rummy, (or his General), "Oh well we know from past experience that insurgencies take from nine (9) to twelve (12) years to resolve". This ain't new it is just time to roll it out, (you can tell cuz the Bushies are talk'en bout draw'en down the troops).
The Bushies have been plann'en the long war a long time.

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» RE: Da Looooooong War Posted by: Mycos
Looking Back To See The Future
Posted by: Riverside on Mar 17, 2006 2:49 PM   
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We need to first persist as we are in resisting the ongoing deconstruction of our democracy, but we must also reflect on the history of our antecedant, Great Britain. It is here today because of the toughness of its people, who kept their eyes on liberty and freedom even in the darkest times. This sustained and strengthened them. We may also face such dark times. In this regard we must not lose our resolve and if necessary as Great Britain did (several times over) renew and rebuild keeping democracy close to our hearts.

We are being tested and challenged not by powerful forces but by a legion of idiots who are doing us more damage than a horde of vandals. We must draw closer together keeping in mind that as ever, united we will prevail, not without some pain, but prevail regardless.

Keep the faith.

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Lyrics for the long war --- you know the tune ----and one -a and a two -a
Posted by: citizen chump on Mar 18, 2006 1:33 AM   
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W=Bushwastika

As sung by the Off Shore Deposit Box Choir

Oh beautiful rapacious lies,
False spreadsheets showing gains,
Oh consonant of majesty,
Its source it knows no shame
Bushwastika
Bushwastika
Thy thugs shall live tax free
And hire hoods
To steal the goods
In jack boot liberty

Arbeit macht frei!
That was the cry
Of our progenitors!
They had a plan, to better man
Just shut the oven doors!
Bushwastika
Bushwastika
We don't need New Orleans!
Just build some camps
With bright Klieg lamps
Verbotten! now routine

Oh government
Without redress
Thy fascist message strong!
The Constitution shredded now,
My gawd, what took so long?
Bushwastika, Bushwastika
How strong is thy white house!
Please rule with fear
Fox news shall cheer
We bow to Leo Strauss

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god help us
Posted by: www.wreckedband.com on Mar 18, 2006 9:54 PM   
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IN 1981 the united nations put out a book detailing the palestine rights ..a historical perspective...AL franken ....soros,...dems have you read it ....in a hospitol in lies israel a cold blooder killer .....well hamas cold blooded killers? ...mosha dyane ...killer? .....saul....killer........when your child ...i just got a call from my great friend mr.levy ...we talked for an hour about this comment ...did we agree ..on some ...hes still my great friend ...so i asked him were his parents were born ,,he said romaina ...i said well you a romainian and your religen is jew....just like a catihic who is irish and their religion is cathlic ,well ..did he go off for half an hour ...i sail their has never been a country called jewland ...israel is country like the us ...people from all over ...sure a lot of jews ...but also many other religinns.....ok thats it ill stop so you folks can comment..then ill get back on....by the way were are the rario hosts ....are they above their own blogs .....oh please have their driver...turn aroun and rebuke them ....richard hydell and wrecked www.wreckedband.com by richard hydell at March 14, 2006 - 10:54am | edit | reply | email this comment

by richard hydell at March 14, 2006 - 11:16am | edit | reply | email this comment
by richard hydell at March 13, 2006 - 9:45pm
Is there some reason I'm not seeing to make people scroll this twice?

by frazzled at March 14, 2006 - 1:09am | reply | email this comment
god help us ..as we sleep ...
You want to see how far corporations will go if we let them in this country? Look at the history of World War II, where going into World War II, General Motors and Dupont still had commercial deals and relationships with the giant German chemical company I.G.Farber, and with the Kruppworks and with the Nazi regime that was so intertwined with them. And there's plenty of documentation on that and even more coming out shortly in a major book on the subject.
If you want to see how they behave, go to Indonesia and see the Nike shoe subcontracted companies where for a $1.80 -- used to be $1.67 -- $1.80 a day, not a living wage, women are manufacturing Nike shoes. And they manufactured 19 million pairs in 1993 and all of their pay together, of all the women who manufactured all the shoes was less than what the chief executive officer of the Nike Corporation got that year

by richard hydell at March 14, 2006 - 12:11am | edit | reply | email this comment
the humans

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Joycelyn
Posted by: Joycelyn on Mar 19, 2006 12:38 AM   
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Molly, you are so seldom wrong. But, really -- have you ever really met a duck with as few brains as these people? In my experience, ducks seem much smarter than them. Even Daffy and Donald.

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Thank Heaven You Remember Osama In Our "Post 9/11 World"
Posted by: acaryatid on Mar 20, 2006 7:45 AM   
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Ground Zero is in view from my window and that offers me a unique view. There's no way to live here, to look at the site, the changes that have occurred and not see both what was lost and what those involved stood to gain from here to Iraq. It is a window to the new world worth seeing through eyes with a bird’s eye view.

Surrounding Ground Zero, untouched by the WTC collapse, are the ancient gravestones behind the antique Trinity Church, the Old Post Office, the Woolworth building and so many others old structures. Off to the side, out of harms way is the gleaming glass of the new WTC 7. There is simply no way, aside from the evidence, to look at the site from here and believe it was anything but a carefully controlled demolition.

One plane hit, then a second, causing two fires on the upper floors. The second tower to be struck imploded, then the first tower to be struck imploded. Many hours later #7, which is farther away than ancient Trinity Church, gave way and collapsed on its own footprint. Whoosh, it came down, with all it's modern engineering, with no more reason than it too was owned by Silverstein. The church was fine, the fragile headstones too. It happened just like in the movies. Every detail fits with what we know about controlled demolition. Without the shock and awe, no one can watch it and see anything else. No one can look from above and not see what I see.

Part of me understands the people who refuse to believe it was either orchestrated or allowed to happen. I wish it were a random attack. It breaks my heart to know that New York was the target because it’s a personal tragedy we face every day. It breaks my heart because it is a monument to the failure of Government no matter who you believe was actually to blame.

It breaks my heart because. New Yorkers are the freest thinking, most tolerant, most diverse group of people on the planet. We coexist peacefully and take our independence to heart. As the subway strike showed, 17 million can walk, side by side, to get to work. Drivers filled their cars with strangers that had nothing more in common than a destination. We didn’t have protection and we all knew that managing the ticket lines for the LIRR alone stretched the limits of the NYPD in terms of crowd control. We did what we had to do and took care of ourselves.

It breaks my heart to see the aftermath has filled the streets of lower Manhattan with armed forces. Paramilitary units patrol wearing flack jackets holding guard dogs and automatic weapons. Walk around here, you see that life goes on. There’s bumper-to-bumper traffic inching down Broadway and creeping through the streets. Vendors and vagrants and tourists flood the streets with tycoons and traders. There's nothing guns do except scare innocent people like me. The idea they can protect me is a joke when a human collage flows by in a steady stream.

Subways riders packed like sardines hear, ” Be alert for suspicious activities on the platform or trains." I wish the rest of America would get in a NY subway. Most of the time you can't see your own toes. Who looks suspicious and what type of bag would it be? It's an absurd notion. Does anyone really believe it promotes anything but a tolerance for reduced rights? Unless we have checkpoints like the Green Zone around Baghdad, there's no way to "protect" anything but the government's ability to dictate to private citizens.

It is all heartbreaking. I wish I could look out and blame Bin Laden. I would love to have faith in the collective leaders of both parties, to serve us all, as Americans, and find the truth. But truth is often a bitter pill to swallow. The sad fact is that both parties serve interests, which never include what true patriots embrace as truth, justice and the American way. Are enough of us revolted enough for revolt?

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darby1936
Posted by: darby1936 on Mar 20, 2006 9:13 AM   
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Its hard to believe we've did everything possible to perpetuate al Queda and rendered Iran an immeasurable favor. Now we hint at attacking Iran. Its all bluster and they know it. If the status quo seems threatened a DVD if bin Lauden or a lieutenant will be trotted out. In fact its almost a sure thing before elections.

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Reality's Out the Window
Posted by: Lulu Maude on Mar 20, 2006 3:11 PM   
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We've had too many "reality" shows... all that Fear Factor stuff--people swimming through torrents of sewage sludge, fighting their way through swarms of pooping parrots... they have lost their sense of reality. Let us become as little children and have a TV Turnoff Week for adults until we come to our senses and throw these rascals out of office.

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fearful rhetoric
Posted by: kevo on Mar 21, 2006 10:44 AM   
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In witnessing the latest PR blitz by this Administration, I think it will be a matter of weeks, if not days, that our dearly beloved Prez. will assure all of us that he will take care of us "from cradle to grave." Oh happy happy joy joy. -Kevo

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Aslan365
Posted by: Aslan on Mar 21, 2006 11:43 PM   
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Sure do seem to be a lot of looney tunes theories thrown into these comments. Is it possible to have the sort of discussion that depends on evidence, rather than unsupported hypotheses, in the commentary? In fact, it seems there's just as much looneyness on the anti-Bush landscape as there is on the pro-Bush landscape. My own hypothesis is that, as long as the looneys are given the same consideration as are supportable arguments things aren't ever going to get any better...

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If The War For Oil is so noble
Posted by: bbr60 on Mar 22, 2006 11:28 AM   
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Why don't the Bush daughters enlist and serve a 2 year tour of duty in Iraq?

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