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Economic Depression: 2008 = 1932?

Posted by Tom Degan, The Rant at 5:02 PM on September 16, 2008.


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The trillion dollar shit hammer hit the fan yesterday and I'm loving every minute it! How could that possibly be? Aside from feeling personally vindicated, I think that the events yesterday on Wall Street just might be the long-feared cataclysmic meltdown that will finally awaken the comatose American people from their twenty-eight year slumber. Wakey! Wakey, kiddies!

Seventy-six years ago, on the eve of the election that sent Franklin Delano Roosevelt to the White House, President Hoover received the following, very cheeky telegram from an unnamed citizen:

"VOTE FOR ROOSEVELT AND MAKE IT UNANIMOUS"

By that time, the Great Depression which was unleashing such economic horror across the American landscape was already three years old. It's not as if the stock market had crashed less than two months before. In the columns I have posted in the last few months, I have made many references to that campaign of 1932. Forgive me for sounding repetitive, but the parallels are to numerous to ignore. Analogies are literally screaming to be made.

With all that has happened in the last twenty-four hours, you would think that Senator Barack Obama receives a major boost in the polls. We shall see. Recent weeks have seen he and John McCain in a virtual dead heat. The so-called "pundits" have come up with scores of reasons why this would be so, totally ignoring the real and only reason: McCain is white. Obama is not. It's as simple as that.

"The economy is fundamentally sound"
Herbert Hoover 1929

"The fundamentals of the economy are strong"
John McCain 2008

Hmmm. Call in a hunch but I get this creepy feeling that when a politician in 2008 inadvertently paraphrases Hoover in 1929, it's generally a pretty good idea to fold up the tents and go home for a nice, long nap. I'm just waiting for the poor old bugger to proclaim that prosperity is just around the corner.

When some of the largest and oldest financial institutions in the country collapse overnight, like a house of marked cards, to even imply that one's economy is "fundamentally strong" reminds me of Hitler and Goebbles in April of 1945, rejoicing in the bunker on learning of the death of FDR - while the allies were pounding the hell out of the city of Berlin a mere one-hundred feet above their clueless heads - an awfully good time for a little reality check to say the least.

At this moment, McCain is being interviewed on Morning Joe on MSNBC. He just made the statement, "Wall Street has betrayed us". He's only half right. It was also Ronald Reagan who betrayed us. It was both Bushes who betrayed us. It was the Republicans (and more than a few Democrats) that betrayed us. And, most assuredly, it was also John McCain who betrayed us. It was the orgy of deregulation - supported and enabled by McCain from the moment he came to Congress in 1983 - that brought us to this point. Anyone who would deny as much hasn't been paying attention.

It's curious. People who tend to vote for right wing candidates have absolutely no understanding of American history. None. I'll prove it to you. Ask all of your conservative friends the following question: Who was president during World War One? That doesn't sound like a very difficult question, does it? We're talkin' History 101 here! I guarantee it - most, if not all of them, will be unable to answer that mind-numbingly simple question. Try it some time (For the viewers of FOX Noise: The answer is Woodrow Wilson).

Here's another question you can ask them (and this one is such a no-brainer, you might be embarrassed even asking it): What was the name of President McKinley's Assistant Secretary of the Navy who resigned his position, donned a uniform and went off to Cuba to lead a brigade in the Spanish American War? They won't know the answer. Give them this hint: He later served as McKinley's vice-president. They won't know the answer. Give them a third hint: He became president on McKinley's assassination in September of 1901. They won't know the answer. Give them a fourth hint: His face is on Mt. Rushmore. They won't know the answer. By this time you'll be tearing your hair out in utter exasperation, but give them this fifth and final hint: Within a quarter-of-a-century, his distant cousin would become the president of the United States. I guarantee it! Most of them will not be able to answer this unbelievably basic question of American history (Again, for you FOX fans: It was Theodore Roosevelt)

If our conservative brothers and sisters had so much as a remedial knowledge of the history of their once-great nation, they would know the answers to those questions. They would also know that every time the "plutocracy" (as the loony right wing was called in the good old days) seized control of all three branches of their government, they ran this country right into an economic ditch. That is not just my opinion, folks - that is an undeniable historical fact! LOOK IT UP!

And now, to the surprise of no one with a freshman history major's understanding of the past, our monetary systems are once again falling apart. During the campaign of 1948, President Harry S Truman, referring to "that good fer nothin' [Republican] Eightieth Congress" pointedly asked his fellow countrymen the following, very pertinent question:

"How many times do you have to get hit over the head before you realize that you're getting hit over the head?"

Damned good question! Any takers?

The American people are now in the process of relearning a lesson a lesson they should have learned nearly a century and a half ago during the administration of Ulysses S Grant. That lesson is this: Conservative philosophy of governance does not work - PERIOD. It never has. It never will.

"But what about Ronald Reagan?", your conservative friend may ask, "The economy did great under Ronald Reagan!" As the late Lloyd Bensten once said, "You give me four trillion dollars in hot checks and I'll give you one hell of an illusion of prosperity. And yet, given all of the recklessness of the Reagan administration, John McCain was able to say yesterday (with a straight face - so help me Alan Greenspan!) that America "must return to the fiscal responsibility of the Reagan era". So reckless and irresponsible has the Bush Mob proven to be, McCain was able to make that incredibly stupid comment and no one, thus far (with the exception of yours truly, of course) has called him on it. .

As I said before, it was only when the right wing seized control of "all three branches" of the government that they were able to ruin the economy. Reagan never had a Republican majority in the House of Representatives and his party only had control of the senate for a few years during his reign of error. Back then, the Supreme Court was much more moderate than it is today. Had Reagan had the legislative freedom that the current president enjoyed for six long years, he would today be remembered as the worst president in history and the world would never have known the name, George W. Bush. Sooner or later, the people of this country are bound to recover from their positively dysfunctional love affair with the twisted legacy of the Gipper. The truth is, everything Bush has done to you, Ronald Reagan tried to do to you - and would have done to you - had he had control of both houses of congress.

As I wrote on this site over a year ago, what must be understood is that Ronald Reagan was essentially a mask, with a twinkle in its eye and a fine, Irish smile. Remove that mask and what is revealed is the hideous smirk of George W. Bush - That's the real face of the "Reagan Revolution". Wake up, America. We're about one half of a step away from the point of no return.

Well, now! Where do we find ourselves now? We have John McCain and Gidget asking (and expecting) the American electorate to commit economic suicide by sending to the White House the very people who are responsible for the mess we are in to begin with! Isn't that lovely? Just imagine what would have happened to this country had the people stupidly reelected Hoover in 1932. This would be a very different world today. You don't believe it? Remember it was the right wing who wanted to appease Hitler in the nineteen-thirties. "America Firsters", they were called. One of their head spokesmen was Charles A. Lindbergh. Can you imagine what this planet would have been like today had those assholes been in power in 1939? I get the dry heaves just thinking about it!

Do you or a loved one depend on a monthly Social Security check from the government? Now just whom do you think you have to thank for that? Newt Gingrich? It was the very liberal Roosevelt Administration. In 1935, when that program came into being, every single conservative commentator in the print and electronic media - without exception - predicted that it would result in the ruination of the United States. Honestly now, do we really want the ideological heirs of those jackasses to retain control of the executive branch of our government? As someone once said, be careful what you wish for.

While (as some are suggesting) this might merely be a temporary glitch in the market and that everything will be back to normal in a day or two, what happened on Wall Street yesterday is an ominous sign which should give every citizen of this troubled republic pause. As one of the numerous bumper stickers on the back of my van says:

"TURN LEFT AT NEXT ELECTION"

We have no other choice. You think I don't know what I'm talking about? Then vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin on Election Day. You'll deserve everything that happens to you.

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Amen!
Posted by: buddyedgewood on Sep 16, 2008 6:11 PM   
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Sadly, I have no confidence in my fellow citizens, so we should be preparing ourselves for a McCain/Palin administration.

Plan for the worst, hope for the best!

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» RE: Amen! Posted by: JBravoEcho11
» RE: Amen! Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE: Amen! Posted by: sallyride
Great Observation
Posted by: Veros on Sep 16, 2008 6:34 PM   
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Way to tell it like it is Tom. The conservative's free market theories brought us the deregulation of the financial markets, and the mess which is here now. Republicans simply want to avoid governing. Failure to govern = failure to lead.(Good job Brownie) Now McCain says the economy is fundamentally strong, and he can clean it up. He would have to arrest himself. He is now left to run against his own party, and do what ever he can to avoid running against Barak, because he knows he cannot win against O'Bama. So he must, and even his campaign has admitted that they must turn this into a personality contest. In the meantime, with his first commander in cheif decision - to coose Palin as VP, he has compromised his choice - another failure of leadership. Do we really want Palin to be any where near the so called GWOT, or making command decisions from the Cheney bunker?
We must realize that republicans do not govern, they do not want to govern, they even say that they would prefer to drown it in a bath-tub. Now, when they realize that their free market, and trickle down theories have proven disastrous, they are at the governments door waiting to be bailed out. Now NcCain wants to govern, now he wants another chance, to hell with you John McCain. You have had your chance. Go home and please take Phil Gramm, and the rest of your crooked friends with you.
Let's make that left turn, stand up for the new leadership - Barak O'Bama - Leadership. Barak will put responsible people in charge, not cronies. A leader who will make responsible decisions. An intelligent man with a vision of leadership, and endless possibilities for progress. We will even have diplomats when Barak is president Responsible, intelligent leadership with progressive, and inclusive programs, and even diplomats.
Freedom is not free, freedom requires responsibility. Let's make that left hand turn. And Tom and everyone, you deserve every good thing that happens to you, may good things happen soon.

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» RE: Great Observation Posted by: leTerrassier
» RE Obama is Irish Posted by: Veros
We, who can't vote...
Posted by: katz22br on Sep 16, 2008 6:49 PM   
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...because we are from different parts of the world, can only hope "they" don't steal it yet again.

And also hope that, if they do, you guys react to it properly and demand a recount, a re-vote, a recall... whatever it takes! That's how important this election is, not only for you and your country, but for the rest of us.

peace

k

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» WE who can't vote... Posted by: Knowmad
McCain's return to Reaganomics
Posted by: CTvoter on Sep 16, 2008 6:51 PM   
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McCain looks back at the Reagan era of deregulation with fondness. It led to his involvement with the Keating Five. And he says with a straight face that the current problems have been brought on by a group of fat cats that got out of hand. He pretends it is the work of a few greedy people that raided the piggy bank. But, like some of the other realists on here say, I think we'll be treated with "Gidget goes to Washington."
We can sit and clack away on our keyboards or we can actually do something about it.

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Great Rant !
Posted by: mmckinl on Sep 17, 2008 1:46 AM   
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All true ... unfortunately ...

Yet we still cannot count on Democrats. They are too beholden to special interests, especially Wall Street. Obama is also along for the ride ...

Just now he is making some sense, but his policies are no where radical enough to cure what ails us.

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» RE: Great Rant ! Posted by: JSquercia
» RE: Great Rant ! Posted by: leTerrassier
Right on the money as usual
Posted by: dayenta on Sep 17, 2008 7:33 AM   
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Tom, You are such a mensch!
l'Shalom,
Dorothy

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» RE: ight on the money as usual Posted by: Tom Degan
It's Time...
Posted by: Gisele on Sep 17, 2008 8:26 AM   
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We have Rachel Maddow, Keith Olberman...let's really round it out in fine style.

It's time for Tom Degan to have his own show.

Amidst the 3 of them...someway, somehow - the truth shall be set free!

All in favor say "Aye!"

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» RE: It's Time... Posted by: Tom Degan
» Seconded! Posted by: Aimleft
» RE: It's Time... Posted by: dmd
Since when have we learned from History?
Posted by: RosieRivetor on Sep 17, 2008 12:35 PM   
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Great article Tom - I have been saying for months that we are not in a recession, we are in the beginning of a depression. Economic Fundamentals do not exist but if John McCain had ever taken and passed an economics class, he would know this.

These people have hijacked this country like Frank Lorenzo did with Eastern Airlines and are piece by piece dismantling it off and selling to the highest bidder. They use the Constitution and the Bible as their justification and the scary part is, a large number of American's are either too ignorant, too busy, too overwhelmed or just too stupid to know it. They've lost their jobs, their homes, their savings, their kids have been sent off to die in a war for oil and yet they are too scared to stand-up for themselves and vote. They like the pretty, vacant woman who prays for oil pipelines and places her friends in high places. Her ignorance is their salvation.

Part of me would truly feel sorry for them if their ignorance and fear based actions were not destroying the very foundation of the greatest freedom experiment in recent history. The US is not a guaranteed entity, like Rome she too will fall and I for one will weep at her demise. "We the People" will be no more and heaven only knows what horrible and vile thing will fill its place (Sarah Palin).

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Great work, Tom
Posted by: Thucy on Sep 18, 2008 7:01 AM   
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I look at McCain, and I see Herbert Hoover written all over him.

And don't forget Calvin Coolidge -- union busting, "the business of America is business", asleep at the switch "Silent Cal" -- was Reagan's favorite president.

From now until November this is a message that Obama-Biden ought to be shouting from the rooftops. And groups like Alternet ought to join in, and forget all this crap about Palin's e-mails and nasty pictures of McCain.

Forget channelling JFK -- it's time for some FDR New Deal populism.

Bravo Tom! Another great "rant."

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Ahh yes! Long time coming.
Posted by: GarrisonPayneLeonard38H on Sep 18, 2008 7:38 AM   
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My first posts on the Reaganite/Bushites and their cozy association with our Greed Culture date back to 2005, on the old Bill Maher website. Back then, the Cons were smug, aggressive, and plentiful. They were loaded with all the Con slogans and myths -- telltale symptoms of Reaganitis.

When I listed the ways that Cons are not the adults they think they are, and more closely resemble preschool children (a long post), it pissed 'em off somethin' terrible.

The Centrists were little better: Closeted Reaganites, they kept the sunny expectation that more NAFTA, more WTO, and less Gub'mint would give us all whiter-brighter-teeth and piles of materialist totems.

I have carried a deep disappointment with Reaganites since the early 80s, when the homeless populations swelled. I was disgusted with Ronnie's indifference to suffering HIV/AIDS victims, and his Administration's inaction. The October Surprise, Ollie, Iran-Contra, and all the military misadventures made it clear that most of those "public servants" deserved prison.

For the past quarter century this country has been drained economically, its infrastructure ignored, its public schools trashed, by a Greed Culture so addicted to money and power that any lie will do, as long as they can sell it, and can keep half of us afraid.

It will take generations to recover, and we are running out of time. 2008 may be our last chance, but it will only be the start of a Hundred Years' War on Greed.

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Reagan/Bush-o-nomics
Posted by: kww355 on Sep 18, 2008 9:24 AM   
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Remember, all my brethren in the rapidly disappearing lower middle class...

The only thing that 'trickles down' is piss.

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First, Kudos to Tom for another great assessment!
Posted by: djnoll on Sep 18, 2008 10:58 AM   
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Now it is time for us to start acting. Trying to get to Obama to talk realities has become an exercise in futility (I know I tried for weeks now with him coming to Las Vegas yesterday, and his volunteers who do not understand history block access not only to him, but also to his staffers who could set appointments)! It is time to help him get another message - HIS MESSAGE OF CHANGE IS BEING CO-OPTED BY THE REPUBLICANS AND THE ELECTORATE IS BEING CONFUSED!

This economic meltdown was predicted by me to a mortgage broker over 4 years ago. Anyone with any life experience or basic high school economics could see it coming, but apparently McCain and Palin do not such a level of education or understanding. It is not time for change anymore - the message now has to be Revolution, Renovation, and Re-form!

Obama cannot just talk about change in how we deal with the people on Wall Street - he must talk about revolutionizing regulations to accommodate the 21st century's needs; Renovation of the agencies overseeing the financial institutions; and Re-forming oversight groups to address the needs of investors vs. CEO's so that middle America is protected when they invest their retirement funds or their children's college funds.

Revolution - being bold and willing to not only change, but discard or reduce those agencies and departments or governmental structures that have left us under a dictatorship masquerading as a democratic government.

Renovation - restructuring and overhauling government so that states take back responsibility for their citizens (and therefore are accessible to those citizens), and so citizens are once again engaged in their own governance. Taking on only those issues that affect the nation as a whole - interstate activities, diplomatic issues, international interactions - at the federal level, with a multi-partisan government.

Re-form - Call for a new constitutional convention to either re-write or seriously amend the Constitution so that we never again are subjected to a Bush administration type of governance. This should include a restructuring of Congress, single term limits for Presidents and Vice Presidents and SCOTUS, and a Bill of Rights that not only protect the citizens of this nation, but also our environment and our weakest citizens, our children!

BE BOLD, MR. OBAMA, AND TAKE CONTROL! CALL FOR THIS, AND CALL FOR IT NOW! Stopping the decline of America in the world should be a priority, and one way to do this is to present a plan that is both simple in its conception, and direct in its solutions. Then the world can see we mean business, and the American people can once again control their own destinies, not corporations or Wall Street manipulators who keep the McCain's in designer clothes and 10 houses!

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Good Article but poor facts
Posted by: JohnSmith66 on Oct 6, 2008 4:39 PM   
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This was a well written article but you need to get your facts straight. You are comparing today's republicans to republicans pre-Lyndon Johnson. Before Lyndon Johnson democrats were never very, well, liberal. It was only after Johnson passed all of his civil rights laws that conservatives, especially in the south, started to vote for republicans. Next time get your facts right because former Republicans such as Hoover were in fact liberals during their time.
If you want some proof just look here at how every state except for 6 conservative, southern states voted for Hoover
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1928_Electoral_Map.png

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