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Republicans Are Hoping That Democrats Will Win - Then Fail

Posted by Digby, Hullabaloo at 2:39 PM on May 16, 2008.


Why Republicans are OK with losing in 2008.
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Last night I had the great pleasure of hearing Rick Perlstein read from Nixonland here in LA. There were many interesting questions and among them, naturally, were some about the current election. One, during the book signing phase, was "do you think the Democrats can possibly win?" which Perlstein deflected to me, explaining that I've been writing for the past year that it's in the bag, "tell him in 25 words or less, why you think the Democrats can't lose..." Since I go into brain freeze at times like that, I think I muttered something about seismic forces and tsumanis, so I'm sure the poor fellow thought I was confused and thinking about the natural disasters in Asia.

Upon reflection, I think the short answer is this: Because the Republicans want to lose.

It's not that I believe the winds of change aren't at our back. They are. And it's not because I don't think that the modern conservative movement is tired and played out. I do. There is a shift happening toward the liberal side of the spectrum which started with the Nader campaign, grew with the Dean campaign and has reached critical mass with the Obama campaign. The broad middle is disgusted by what Bush has wrought (he was never that popular to begin with, you'll recall, and only became so after a terrorist attack.) They too are listening to the Democrats for the first time inmany years. There is fundamental discontent with GOP governance and the people are highly unlikely to reward them for it.

But just as important, I think the conservatives have always taken the long view of politics and they understand the value of a tactical retreat. The Bush years have weakened them considerably and they are going to take some time to count their ill gotten gains, rest up and reengage. The Republicans are all about ressentiment. They understand the value of being out of power and know how to advance their agenda from that perspective. I wrote this a while back:

The truth is that they know the Republicans are very, very likely going to lose the presidency anyway. And they are fine with it. It brings them together. Here's old hand Richard Viguerie making his pitch for GOP to lose in 2006:

[Sometimes] a loss for the Republican Party is a gain for conservatives. Often, a little taste of liberal Democrats in power is enough to remind the voters what they don’t like about liberal Democrats and to focus the minds of Republicans on the principles that really matter. That’s why the conservative movement has grown fastest during those periods when things seemed darkest, such as during the Carter administration and the first two years of the Clinton White House.

Conservatives are, by nature, insurgents, and it’s hard to maintain an insurgency when your friends, or people you thought were your friends, are in power.

They use their time out of power to grow their movement and one of the main ways they do this is by obstructing anything positive the Democrats want to do. They are organized around the principle of being insurgents --- outsiders --- victims. It is not in their interest to cooperate with Democrats.

When they have damaged their reputations as badly as they have under Bush, they recognize the value of allowing the chickens to come home to roost on the Democrats' heads and obstructing any efforts they might have to advance their own agenda.

So, I think they want to lose. That doesn't mean they won't do everything in their power to damage Obama and deny him a mandate. They want the Democrats to win and then fail. The first is fairly easy --- the second, not so much. If President Obama is wily and tough he can outmaneuver and outsmart them. The presidency has a lot of power and with a majority can do some amazing things. But the Republicans' sole energies will be put to making it impossible for them. They love to play defense and are good at it. As Viguerie says above --- it's their very identity.

I think the Democrats are destined to win this election for many reasons. And I believe they have a chance to set in motion a new progressive era. But I also think the Republicans are happy to let them win this one, will regroup and try to obstruct them with everything they have to tee up 2012. Then they will bring in The Man Called Petraeus to save us all.

If the Dems govern well, they won't be able to pull it off.

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What?
Posted by: Xynyx on May 16, 2008 3:03 PM   
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What, and that's somehow not what the Bush Administration has accomplished for the roles in reverse?

I'm sure most Democrats weren't hoping that Bush would win... though it seems that perhaps some of them were... but he sure has failed miserably.

Is this simply what you wish for when you're pretty much resigned to losing? "I hope you screw up the country and the world even more than our guy just did, heh heh, heh heh!"

How fucking short-sighted. I'm glad I'm not guilty of that.

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» RE: What? Posted by: SteveO
Well first off...
Posted by: ianfan on May 16, 2008 3:34 PM   
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...I don't like the political debate framed in terms of everyone either being Republican or Democrat. Both these parties do not represent the people of this country as much as the represent the elites (in terms of power and money) of this country.

Okay, got that out.

Basically what he is saying makes sense...as has been clearly demonstrated by the current run of Republican/conservative rule we have seen the last 20 years.

When Kerry was running, I certainly had the thought more than once that maybe we actually needed another four years of GWB and all he represents to final get through to the public and make them realize how fundamentally flawed the policies he and his ilk represent and stand for.

Same principle here, and frankly although I do think the Dems are a lesser evil, I really don't have any strong confidence that they will run things significantly better than the Rebus have.

And also, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't proposition regardless. If your policies work and the people are happy, they forget why it was important not to run wild in stupid conservative nationalistic arrogant directions because after a while they forget that that was a substantive problem and forget the consequences. If your policies don't work, well, again, the people start thinking the other side looks attractive also. Either way the pendulum shifts, it's just a question how long it takes to swing and how far it swings out.

We really can just hope to keep the pendulum from swinging to too outrageous extremes at best, and hope we continue forward in some incremental way toward real progress.

I've long had a concept that the right/left repub/dem way of looking at things simply doesn't model reality well enough anymore. I heard a random pundit say it as, "it's no longer about right vs. left, it needs to start being about forward vs. backward." I think that makes sense.

The nation would be much better off IMHO if the major debate was between Greens and Libertarians instead of repubs and dems.

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Politicians versus people
Posted by: RobNLA on May 16, 2008 4:07 PM   
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If his campaign is an indication, Obama will try to put together a broad coalition of supporters, Democrats, Independents and Republicans. Not just politicians, but voters.

The divide and conquer approach is going to work as well anymore. More voters have become familar with this tactic and don't respond to it like they used to.

Finally I think Republicans are underestimating their losses come November. Recent special elections are hinting that many of them will lose reelection. If this occurs, then Congress will end up heavily Democratic, making it easier for Obama to push forward his agenda.

However, Obama will be left with some serious problems to address and disgruntled voters typically have little patience for poor results. So it's true that if Obama can't show real progress, the Republicans will have a good shot at regain some power come 2012.

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On The Money.
Posted by: Longdream on May 16, 2008 7:09 PM   
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If they were intent on winning, they would NOT have put up the poster boy for incipient Alzheimer's as the sacrificial elephant.

He's so unelectable they may as well put up Huckabee as VP for all the difference it will make. At least he can maybe convince his constituency, i.e. the right-wingers who have to get their furloughs from open mental wards in order to vote, that McCain fuddles around on the side of the proper God.

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» Precedent for McCain's run. Posted by: SteveO
Republicans Are Hoping That Democrats Will Win - Then Fail
Posted by: Quannah on May 16, 2008 8:53 PM   
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Isn't that exactly what they said when Bill Clinton was elected president?

And when Congress went to the Democrats in '06?

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A Huge Mess
Posted by: Southern Gal on May 17, 2008 6:52 AM   
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The Republicans realize that the economy, the debt, the unending wars, the destruction of environment and natural resources, the loss of infrastructure and jobs, the high price of gas and the class wars have left this country in a mess, almost impossible to fix. If they got four more years they might actually have to make some changes that would alienate their corporate masters and their moneyed royalty. They must be laughing about now. Let the Democrats try to fix this, take the punches when things get rough and then the Republicans can come back in later and reap the benefits.

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» RE: A Huge Mess Posted by: Bobby Decker
Don't let your guard down now!
Posted by: Knowmad on May 17, 2008 7:47 AM   
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Of course the repugnant ones know they're going to lose in November, and are hoping the Dems will fail. Just because they're corrupt, immoral neocon scum doesn't mean they're stupid - unfortunately.

They've surely known for a long time that they're out of power in January, ever since the half-wit cheneybushrovian creature and pals went so far to the dark side that the party hitmen minions couldn't spin in their favour anymore.

That's the real danger here I believe: Since they know - for certain - so far in advance that they're going to lose, they're using the lead time to screw up everything they can so badly that Obama et al won't possibly be able to fix it in four years. Then they simply use these 'failures' in 2012 as 'proof' of how bad the Dems were, thus getting back in.

A deluded assumption perhaps, but probably their plan. However, besides highlighting and crying foul - loudly - on everything these cretins try to do, there is potential help from a less likely source: the real conservatives, the ones who are decent and thoughtful and ashamed of what has and is being done in their name. They could resist being a part of this pathetic ploy by their so-called representatives, and call them on it, thus foiling the diseased creatures who only care about themselves and screw everyone else.

That's why even though it looks ninety percent sure that the Dems will get in you real Americans, of whatever stripe, must take every opportunity to press the truth on any who might be taken in by the treachery and dishonesty; take it to them, show their 'masters' for what they are. It's too important to ignore, to sit back and assume things are okay now because Barak's going to get in.

That's the thing about rot and decay: it's pervasive and malignant...and very patient.

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THE REPUBLICANS HAVE FAILED
Posted by: VZEQICVA on May 17, 2008 8:29 AM   
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That's why they will probably lose the White House. They've screwed up everything they touched. I don't believe that this requires alot of deep thinking. They thought that being united was the way to go. Get behind your president. So they stood together and they're gonna fall together in one big pile. Of Course the want the Dems to fail. Isn't that the patriotic way to be? They're nothing more than a bunch of spoiled brsts. Thanks, ANNA

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Very difficult for Republicans
Posted by: ReallyBearish on May 17, 2008 12:30 PM   
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To keep the White House during an economic depression. If you read the Kevin Phillips piece, you'd know that the economic stats coming out of Washington underestimate inflation, economic contraction, unemployment, etc. by an astronomical margin. That puts us in a depression.

I can see the Dems screwing up, but that doesn't mean a return of the party of Bush to Washington. It may mean new parties, including left and right-wing radicals.

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I've heard this multiple times
Posted by: blogbooks on May 18, 2008 3:19 PM   
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The gist of the argument is that they want the first black or female president to fail utterly for reasons that should be obvious.

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I just saw Meet the Press.
Posted by: Longdream on May 18, 2008 4:56 PM   
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Huckabee was on, as previously scheduled. He was an idiot, and didn't have much to say after Dem strategists Bob Shrum and Harold Ford, Jr., lambasted him a couple of times, and after he made the pat apology for the Obama remark.

A bit later, Shrum was teasing Huckabee and said that he had been endorsing him as the Republican Presidential nominee, and "with all due respect" was hoping that he'd be the Vice Presidential nominee.

In other words, YOU'RE SO UNELECTABLE WE LOVE YOU! Said it right out there in his face, with all the people watching, while Huckabee tittered nervously. The whole panel called him Vice President Huckabee until the end of the show.

Want to know how the Republicans are doing? It doesn't get any clearer than that.

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They have always eaten their young
Posted by: anambrose on May 18, 2008 10:21 PM   
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When you really look at what we have to accomplish in rebuilding our Constitution, its checks and balances, our schools k-thru college, our energy development and R&D, our energy grid our roads bridges and rail infrastructure our hollowed out manufacturing base, our 750+ military bases around the world, reforming our political system to reduce undue influence of non-public funding of elections, all of the re regulation of the markets and public institutions that are now broken and costing us billions and of course none of that really gets off the ground without us getting out of Iraq. Bushco has spent many of its years fomenting and destabilizing the Middle East enough to make catastrophe the outcome no matter who wins in November whether we get out yesterday or in years will not matter. They will pound who ever the president is for "losing Iraq" the same way the Right pounded anyone including Truman for losing China. If a bomb goes off in an Israeli cafe, if Turkey invades northern Iraq, if Iran goes into Iraq and Syria and the rest get involved in a Sunni vs Shia regional war they'll blame the democrats. If Iraq has the same civil war its had since we moved in after we leave they'll blame the democrats. If Iraqi's cannot come to compromise and wind up down the road with Saddam #2 guess who gets the blame? So be prepared because that is what they have always been the best at. Tearing down what others have built, especially when it comes to our public institutions. They have monkey wrenched every civil service position they have been appointed to and you only need to look as far as "Brownie" to get the picture. He's the tip of the iceberg.

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What about the MONEY?
Posted by: buzzsaw on May 19, 2008 5:47 PM   
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The Republicans have blown so much money and gotten us so deeply in debt, a unanimously Democratic Congress and White House couldn't fix the problems if they wanted to. There is simply no money. That is the plan. The Republicans are at war with every public institution of the United States from the public schools to the military to the Constitution to the physical infrastructure that we all depend on. For the last seven years, the Republicans have proven beyond any doubt that they will spend any amount of our money, sign our name to any level of debt as long as it is not spent to benefit us—everyday Americans.

Yes, barring some miracle, the next administration will be a dismal failure. This has been the modus operandi of the Republicans at least since Nixon. Screw things up so badly that even Jesus Christ couldn't fix it, then blame the Democrats for being incompetent. It's our own fault that we let them get by with this more than once.

If you are not filthy rich, and can't bring yourself to vote for anyone other than a Republican, do your patriotic duty—stay home on election day. Voting Republican after all they've done is damned near treason.

buzzsaw–Repeat after me: R is for rapacious, R is for recession, R is for Republican. And don't you ever forget it!

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What will they do when they dominate...
Posted by: Bearzerker on May 20, 2008 3:56 AM   
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... the House, Senate and Executive Branches of Government...

I aggree with this story 100% and firmly believe this is just another ploy by Rove his dogs and the machine he built over the past 30-40 years!

It's to let the Demoncrats rebuild,
just to let the Rethugnican machine enrich themselves by tearing it all down...
while at the same time chewing away at any remaining social programs left!

the only way to reverse the damage of the past 40 years is to use this [soon to be] overwhelming position and reinstate FDR's new deal, but rebranded for the new millennium...
real change requires real leadership, with a real statement with a real vision, lead by a real visionary
anything less will be for the tards!

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