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ForeignPolicy

A Jew's Eye View of Iran

By Larry Beinhart, AlterNet. Posted May 15, 2008.


The condition of the Jews in Iran is a matter of political significance.
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I was the designated Jew on our visit to the synagogue.

We were there on a mission for peace. I kid you not. Though every time I say it, I feel like John Belushi as a Blues Brother in dark sunglasses, "You don't understand, we're on a mission from God."

I had wanted to go to Iran for a long time.

It was a combination of two things.

One was the revolution. The sudden emergence of a theocratic state at the end of the 20th century. It was as if mankind had been swirled backwards by a demented djinn into an epic dream, a thousand years old, from the time when Islamic warriors swept East and West, spreading the caliphate across half the world, while armored knights clanked out of the forests of Europe with maddened peasant mobs alongside them, to meet in convulsive blood-lettings at the borders of their faiths.

The other was the Persian fellow, Ali Reza Sheikholeslami.

Reza was the holder of the Soudavar Chair in Persian Studies at the Oriental Institute, Oxford University, and a fellow at Wadham College, at the same time that I was there as the Raymond Chandler/Fulbright Fellow. Each was a wonderful endowment. I can't say what Reza actually did for his, but as for me, I played squash for my college and dined at high table.

Reza, who was among my best friends at the college, seemed to embody all that was the other side of Iran. He was sophisticated, urbane, international, genial and sensual, with a succession of entrancing wives. In the brief period I knew him, there were two, Sharee and Sheherizad, both quite beautiful, both with those communicative, distinctly Persian eyes.

This was in the mid-'90s, when many of the excesses of Islam were shocking the Western media, in particular, executions of women for adultery, sometimes by beheading and sometimes by stoning, as called for in the Koran.

After the public execution of a Saudi princess, Reza said to me, "We are really not so uncivilized as we appear. The law is that there must be four eyewitnesses to the adultery, and they must endeavor to pass a golden thread between the two parties, and only if it does not pass between them, can they be found guilty." Which is a perfectly Persian solution to an onerous and outrageous law against human nature: accept it, since it comes from God, or God's spokespeople, or whomever is running things at the moment, but make enforcement sufficiently impossible that it doesn't matter all that much.

It's a genial and elegant way to cope with the world, but insufficient when the fanatics are in charge.

There was something about those two warring impulses -- God's law vs. humanism, Iran's revolutionary fervor vs. 2,000 years of Persian live and let live -- that I felt was worthy of a novel. I decided I wanted to visit the world's first Islamic republic and went down to London to apply for a visa. My application was shipped off to Tehran and never came back. Why? No one can say.

My interest, and desire to go, remained. I continued to try to imagine the book I would write about a place that had emerged from Scheherazade's 1001 Nights to become the fierce, dour, black-clothed and bearded land of the Ayatollahs.

It continued to be difficult for Americans to get visas to Iran. To get a journalist's visa you usually have to be with a major media outlet. Even then, they are granted or rejected in fairly arbitrary ways. To get a tourist visa, it's necessary to book a tour with an Iranian tourist agency. I read about them and immediately nicknamed them KGB tours. They're like visiting the Soviet Union in the bad old days: you see the seven selected sites, you have to stay with your group and you presume that your guides are employed by the state security services.

I was in the midst of contemplating such a tour.

Then, at our Tuesday night poker game, Jeff Cohen, (founder of FAIR, Donohue producer, and author of Cable News Confidential: My Misadventures in Corporate Media), said, "Hey, I'm going to Iran with Scott Ritter."

I said, "Awesome. Can I go too?"

He was set to travel with an organization called Fellowship for Reconciliation. He figured that it was too late for me to go along, but he could help set me up for the next one, in February. I figured that only real danger in going to Iran would be if the United States started bombing the place. I was relatively certain that an attack would be scheduled for its impact on our domestic elections. Mid-winter seemed well within the window of safety. I said that would be perfect.

As it turned out, he and Scott never went -- because the Iranians wouldn't give Scott a visa -- but I did.

By the way, you can too. Put on your dark glasses, practice saying, "We're on a mission for peace," and contact www.forusa.org.

So there I was, in Shiraz.

The FOR tour was two weeks long. It was organized in cooperation with an Iranian government agency, the Center for Interreligious Dialogue, a part of the Organization for Islamic Culture and Relations, which made it the standard KGB Tour Plus. In addition to Persepolis, the great square of Esfahan, and an authentic Iranian meal at an authentic Persian restaurant, we had official meetings with mullahs, ayatollahs, the Armenian Christian prelate, and an official stop with a group of Iranian Jews.


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Larry Beinhart is the author of "Wag the Dog," "The Librarian," and "Fog Facts: Searching for Truth in the Land of Spin." All available at nationbooks.org.



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Stoning
Posted by: Pip Wilson on May 15, 2008 3:12 AM   
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"Stoning, as called for in the Koran". Stoning, as called for by the Bible. What's the point, sir? What's the difference?

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Beware Passive/Agressive 'Evangelicals' in this country
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 15, 2008 5:07 AM   
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Tehre is a 'Christian ' movement in this country which Claims repect for jews and Isreal and is Ready to fight 'Armegeddon' to defeat the 'evil' Islam. In fact Hagee's stratedgy to bring on this 'end Of Days' scenario Begins with Pre- emptive strikes to 'spare' Isreal of any Attacks.
they hold that The key to 'Judgement Day' lies in th edefense of Isreal againt all detractors, but heres the 'Rub' Once the Sh*t hits the fan 'Jesus' will come down and "Rapture" the Faithful Chosen- the select Christians, any Jew must convert before they will be allowed such a divine Rescue.
The Defense of Isreal is Just a means to an End, a pawn, a step closer to the big Cookie- nothing More.Similar to how 'god' used Judas to intiate the arrest and cruxificition of Jesus. If Judas had not done his part, the 'resurrection ' and 'Ascension' would never occured.
Such Vile 'Religious' sociopaths are preaching this doctine/Stratedgy in Mega Churches around the Country, They are not 'Friends of Isreal' they are their 'Judas' - but worse, they do so For THEIR OWN GAINS (figurative gold Coins). What is even more disturbing is their willingness to supercede their (?) own Makers Plans and Schedule. They intend to nudge the 'Almighty' apparently because they do not care for the undefined 'timetable' they have decided (judged) themselves the 'Chosen 'Generation for Salvation.
Whats more Terrifying is those in Gov't who openly or covertly support this Heretical Doctrine and have the means and ways to bring it to Fruition.This is Our Real National (and international) Security Risk/Threat. Yet our Corp Owned Media throws sacrifical Lambs out to divert our attention. Rev Wright is not a threat to ANYONE (except the Shadow Powers- that have placed US in Harms way by provoking resentment and Attacks due to their Domestic &foreign policy and Business Practices)Your Faith has it's own Traitors- LIEberman is a major supporter of Hagee, then add those who have maintained Duel citizenships, and incite Fear among the Jewish community with their anti Islam rhetoric.They come with an extended Laural Leaf in one hand and a sword behind their backs in the Other.Listen & watch Mc"Cain" and Hillary, their true intentions are suspect to even US not of the jewish faith (I'm a 'Steward' -aka 'Atheist', and these people make my skin crawl)

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Whose theocracy?
Posted by: saramus on May 15, 2008 5:24 AM   
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What is Israel if not a theocracy? And has not the Bush regime been doing its best to move the USA toward a fundamentalist Christian theocracy?

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Religion -- all religion -- is biggest threat to humanity
Posted by: Moonray on May 15, 2008 5:31 AM   
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It's almost amusing to watch two nations of deluded fanatics (Iran and Israel) threatening to destroy each other. And both sides claiming to be the true faith while condemning their heretical opponents.

God, will this nonsense ever end? Religion has emerged as the greatest existential threat to humanity, greater than disease or global warming (although the Earth could get very warm indeed, for a brief period, in the years ahead). It's time for a new U.S. president to push for a strong United Nations effort to reduce the impact of religion on governments, using every ounce of military, economic and diplomatic pressure at our disposal. First on the agenda should be protecting children from religious influences worldwide, including here in the U.S.

Of course, this is as likely to happen as JC returning to Earth dressed as Elvis and playing a golden saxophone. A smarter option would be to invest in fallout shelters.

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Good Article, etc.
Posted by: davmills on May 15, 2008 6:05 AM   
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Good article, but the author neglected to mention that Morocco and Tunisia still have relatively sizeable Jewish communities. And the Jewish communities in Middle Eastern countries did/do seem basically as conservative (ie, paternalist)as does the majority religion.

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Segregation of women
Posted by: CJC on May 15, 2008 6:46 AM   
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In 1965 I attended a service at a Syriac church in Adiyaman, Turkey where I was a Peace Corps voluteer English teacher. The women were segregated upstairs and when the priest passed a blessing around the congregation it went from man to man downstairs and through a hole in a door to the women upstairs.

When I was last there in 1999 the building still stood but the congregation was gone.

(By the way, the first president of Turkey was Kemal Ataturk, only 2 t's not 3)

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"God's chosen people" is putrefying nonsense
Posted by: opmoc on May 15, 2008 7:19 AM   
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People are free to believe any religious nonsense they want. They can also form groupings/cultures and even economies based on their family history and connections.

Most of my family history and connections are Roman Catholic - but I don't identify myself as Catholic - I identify myself as English - even though if I go back far enough my family originated in France.

Whilst lots of completely seperate groups of people all over the World choose to identify themselves by what they perceive to be their ethnicity, race or religion and they might believe that they are in some way special or "God's chosen people" - that belief is complete putrefying nonsense and potentially incredibly divisive in a way that invites ridicule, criticism, division and conflict.

Catholics, Jews, Aussies, Americans, Scottish, Christians, Irish, French, English, Israeli, Kiwi's, Germans, Africans etc etc etc - are just different tags that people choose to identify themselves by.

None of them are any more special than any other. Those who think they are in some way "special" are the cause of the bloody problem.

Some groups are extremely open to criticism and won't be offended no matter how hard you try. Try winding up an Aussie - its incredibly difficult to get any kind of adverse reaction - other than a smile, laugh and a stronger joke at you.

Whilst even the slightest criticism of other groups will result in a swarm attack.

We are all human beings and its time we stopped dividing ourselves against one another in such a totally destructive way.

I can't stand apartheid no matter where and which group is practising it. It is completely unnacceptable.

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What a great article!
Posted by: BreeMass on May 15, 2008 8:09 AM   
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Thanks Alternet!

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Jews in Iran
Posted by: BlueSun on May 15, 2008 8:26 AM   
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It is interesting as we are being bombarded by propaganda about Iran wanting to destroy Israel (in what appears to be a Bush/Cheney rollup to an invasion) to recall that while the condition of Jews in Iran is not that great, it is far better than in some of Bush's closest allies. Saudi Arabia comes immediately to mind. While the Saudis have removed the prohibition on Jews entering the country from their tourism websites, they still try to keep Jews out. The Saudis also are the world's most prolific publisher of vicious anti-Semitic literature in Arabic, ranging from childrens' schoolbooks used throughtout the Islamic world to the old Tsarist forgery, "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Meanwhile, Iran (even under Khomeini and his successors) has four religions officially recognized by the State. They are Islam (both Sunni and Shi'a), Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism. As was pointed out, there is a Jewish representative in Parlaiment, as well as 2 Armenian Apostolic Catholic members, one Chaldean/Assyrian Catholic member, and 1 Zoroastrian member.

As far as I know, this is unheard-of in any Arab Islamic state.

Of course, I'm not trying to whitewhash Iran's treatment of minority religions. The Bahá'í religion, which was founded in 19th century Persia (Iran) by Bahá'u'lláh, has been terribly persecuted. Bahá'í is not one of Iran's formally recognized religions, even though it originated in Iran and defines Bahá'u'lláh as merely the latest in a long line of prophets that includes Moses, Jesus, Muhammed, Krishna, Zoroaster, and Buddha. There are estimated to be between 5 and 6 million Bahá'ís in the world, with about 95% living outside Iran due to systematic persecution by the Iranian government.

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» RE: Jews in Iran Posted by: channing
Flippant and so thoroughly jewish,
Posted by: Doubtom on May 15, 2008 9:11 AM   
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Hey, you didn't have to travel to Iran to meet some jews --they're everywhere!
This isn't commentary, its a study in how to be snide and flippant with overtones of humor. Typically jewish.
There's the mocking of the religious excesses of the visited country while overlooking the silliness of his own religion, which he hopes to evade by saying he's a non-practicing jew.
Its easy to get a flavor of the planned book from this commentary.

Is a non-practicing jew, a jew? Since you outgrew most of the silliness of your religion what is it that makes the jews "your people"? What is the matter with the people that surround you, in your country of origin and who think similarly regarding religions? Are they not quite good enough to be "your people"?

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americans
Posted by: DesertStone on May 15, 2008 10:33 AM   
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What is Israel really but a nation of millions of European trespassers who have come to claim someone else’s home armed only with their god’s permission. Millions of westerners approve and support this appalling crime as a savage would all the while ridiculing the “evils” of Islam. It’s like some colossal joke.

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» "Trespassers"? Posted by: yellow
Larry Beinhart
Posted by: beinhart on May 15, 2008 10:47 AM   
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Thank you all for your comments. They are greatly appreciated.
I would like to reply to some of them. More or less in order.
1. Jews in Tunisia and Morocco.
In 1948 there were 105,000 Jews in Tunisia. Now there are about 1,500.
This is the result of anti-Jewish laws, destruction of Jewish houses of worship, anti-Jewish rioting and the like. Currently the government is acting to protect the remaining Jewish community.
In 1948 there were 265,000 Jews in Morocco. Now there are about 5,500.
Morocco is friendly with Israel (by Arab standards), the government acts to protect Jews, public sentiment is reported to be virulently anti-Semitic.

2. “It's almost amusing to watch two nations of deluded fanatics (Iran and Israel) threatening to destroy each other. And both sides claiming to be the true faith while condemning their heretical opponents.”

While Israel has its faults and crimes, let us restrict ourselves to their actual ones. Israel has never threatened to destroy Iran.
Israel sometimes takes the stance that it cannot accept a nuclear armed Iran, which is often taken to mean it would attack Iran’s nuclear facilities if they came close to producing such weapons.
Israel did bomb Iraq’s nuclear facilities. It should be noted that Iran also tried, and failed, to destroy them, that Iraq was, at the time, at war with Iran, and would quite possibly have used a nuclear weapon if it could have. Also that Israel bombed the facility when it did, because it had not yet received nuclear material, so that it could be destroyed without creating fallout, a choice that would not be available at some later time.
As to the issue of true faith.
Jews aren’t much into converting others, either by proselytizing or by force. There seems to me to be a difference in wanted to be able to believe what you believe, even to fight for the right to do so, and fighting to impose you beliefs on others.

3. Yes, stoning to death as a punishment is in the Bible as well as the Koran. But in the Christian world it is ignored. Which is a significant difference.

4. Sensitivity to ethnic and religious slurs seems to be tied to a sense of vulnerability.
There is no threat to the heterosexual community, a large and unassailable majority, so there is no sense of being slurred or resented in heterosexual jokes.
Jokes that insult men, are pretty much OK. Jokes that insult or demean women, are threatening because women often feel threatened.
WASP jokes, American jokes, British, and Australian jokes don’t upset their subjects very much. Jokes about people who have been routinely prosecuted, murdered, burned, and beaten, are more likely to rub the subjects of them the wrong way.
It should be noted that the Aussies who are not bothered by ethnic jokes about them are white Aussies. Jokes about Aboriginals are regarded as politically incorrect ethnic slurs.
Much of the Islamic community, as far as I can tell, feels very slighted and is very sensitive to perceived insults. Also, some segments of Islam – and I had discussions with mullahs about this in Iran – simply do accept satire and mocking of their religion and especially of Mohammed. Hence the literally murderous reactions to Salmon Rushdie and the Danish cartoons.

more to follow, due to the mechanics of posting

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Larry Beinhart
Posted by: beinhart on May 15, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Part II of reply to comments:


5. I didn’t mention Baha’i due to space and coherence. Iranian Islam is very disturbed by Baha’i because it came after Mohammed, who said he was the messenger of the final word. Baha’i, by revising his word is a basic and threatening heresy.


6. This comment ….
“Catholics, Jews, Aussies, Americans, Scottish, Christians, Irish, French, English, Israeli, Kiwi's, Germans, Africans etc etc etc - are just different tags that people choose to identify themselves by.”
… goes to the heart of the matter. It’s wrong, but it goes to the heart of the matter.
Identity is not a matter of choice, with as little weight as choosing a pair of Nikes over Asics is. What the piece is about is how deep our identity feelings are, whether we will them or not, even when we have “chosen” to leave them behind.
Not only that, our ethnic background and the culture we grow up in, have a very distinct effect on our personalities. It is not so absolute or universal, so broad and so deep, that we ought to kill each other over them or restrict people from doing this or that because of them, but they clearly exist. In a pluralistic society, they add richness and color. In an intolerant society, or an intolerant world, people will willing die in defense of their identities. No matter how irrational those identities are, no matter how much they appear to be merely a matter of choice.
This comment …
Since you outgrew most of the silliness of your religion what is it that makes the jews "your people"?
… also goes to the heart of the matter.
The answer is, I don’t know. Or at least not in a rational sense.
That’s exactly why I thought the experience was important. Because the sense of identity rose up in me, and moved me profoundly, when it was unexpected and irrational. To the degree that I am like other people, and I assume that I am, this should provide some insight into how we react and about the things that move us to act, that are deeper than the rational places where we like to think we live.

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» Right On, Larry Posted by: gellero1
Nice try Larry but it's gonna be War bloody ruinous wasteful senseless War..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 15, 2008 11:10 AM   
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No matter what the facts may be Bush is going to start a war with Iran before leaving office..!

Ok some basic facts we are talking about 70 million pissed off Shiia..there about and 70% of them are under 35 years of age so the military service age after you take out those to young which in Iran is under 15 years old is at least 12-15 million military age young men between 15-45 but 15 to 35 is the ideal service age..

Now these young men are not at all happy for the most part about the current Iranian ruling class or the rule of the Ayatollahs they are dying to become more westernized had we listened to Michael Lewis and his great article in around 2002 in the NY Times on "Satellite Subversives" we could have helped the Iranians here in America who were making great inroads in rallying these frustrated Iranians...

So as to have the Iranians themselves through these thieving Ayatollahs out of office who have been robbing their own people blind for years..

Instead we allowed these broadcasts to cease for lack of a very few dollars which would have been worth ten to one hundred times their investment and freeing the Iranian people from the medieval grip of these Ayatollahs..and the Islamic regime..and Religious Police who abuse these intelligent attractive basically friendly people who are the average Iranian..

Now once Bush attacks Iran these same otherwise reasonable people will be untied against The United states under the banner of Nationalism and also they will then many of them not all but we are talking many millions of them choose Martyrdom for the sake of their patron saint for lack of a better description Hussein the Hussein all other Hussein are named for..who was murdered by Mohamed's descendant for the leadership of Islam..

So not even considering Hezzbullah going on the attack everywhere it is in the world including here in America but in Europe, Lebanon of course and elsewhere including attacks upon Israel as well as against American interests everywhere in the world including also South America where they have a fairly large presence as well..

Millions upon millions of young Iranian men will choose to die as martyrs even in insane suicide mass wave attacks..very likely across the Iranian border into Iraq and also possibly joining with the Taliban and or even al-Qaeda who they are otherwise against under the reasoning that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend.."

So Bush will stir up a huge nest of hornets and let loose the Dogs of War..

And apparently the Israeli government as we saw of the applause at Bush's ridiculous speech insulting speech today wants war not the Israeli people but The Israeli government seems to prefer war as if this will in the end not result in many many Israelis dying when even the miserable status quo is preferable to making everything even worse..

Sometimes doing nothing is the best thing believe me I know..especially when so called action is so misguided and destructive..for so many lives Bush has absolutely no regard for..QED..!

So what I saw today and our President using the 60th anniversary of Israel to saber wave and talk up war..and from the response of the Israeli government and it's idiotic representatives War it is, War it will be, and for no other reason than War for Wars sake millions will die America will lose lives and Trillions more, and even more if not for all practical purposes of it's liberties..

Bush will attack Iran in large part simply to seek to influence the election in favor or McCain believing with a war that makes Iraq look like the pre-game show which it is..people will feel compelled to rally around the candidate they see as the stronger military oriented more experienced leader for a time of war..!

Nice try Larry but it's gonna be War..

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» Baby Bush and Daddy Bush... Posted by: bobtr900
about the "chosen" people thing
Posted by: DesertStone on May 15, 2008 1:48 PM   
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The idea that some people are “chosen” by some invisible entity over others is such an affront to human dignity.

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An occident-centric, non practising Jew’s view of a place he has no idea about
Posted by: sumwoman on May 15, 2008 2:21 PM   
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A more fitting title for this article, don't you think?

The Jews have been in Iran for over 2700 years. They are counted as one of oldest tribes of Iranians.

The Ashkenazi province was located in the north of Iran, a goodly amount of Ashkenazi were Jews and had been in Iran for over 1000 years before moving to Europe circa 600 AD. Mainly to Poland, Russia and Germany.

Perhaps this is why Iranians prefer Jewish authors, artists and philosophers.
Maybe they identify with the Iranian-ness that these Jews demonstrate in
their walk, talk and philosophy.

They seem very familiar. Seemingly far more Iranian than Arab in character and even looks. The fact that Yiddish contains many old Parsi words should be a BIG CLUE as to origins of European Jews.

DUH!

PS: The Muslims have always treated the Jews better than any other group of people in Iran. If fact, that’s how Jews came to prominence during the Islamic invasion circa 700 BC. Once the Muslim fighters cleared towns and villages of local resistance, they set the Jews in charge and promptly left to conquer the next town.
READ HISTORY!

ISRAEL = Occidental Beachhead in Arab territory. (it won’t last)

That being said, there are many theocratic governments in Middle East, they need each other like a bird needs a flock. If anyone of these governments were to fall to secularist movements, the others may very well follow suit.

In the early part of the last century, Europeans and Americans took the time to wipe out nearly all secular minded Middle Eastern and Asians…remember 1953 and the fall of Dr. Mossadegh

AlterNet, this article is crap!

Signed
A Iranian-born Canadian who has bothered to find out about the history of Jews of Europe. Jews are not from Mars, the Iranians birthed the Jewish people and their philosophy.

PS: Israel is armed to the gills with state of the art NUKES! Case closed.
Get rid of Israel, give Palestine back to the Palestinians and lets get back to life and the living.

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Wake up now or loose your children's future.
Posted by: Michael_D on May 15, 2008 3:00 PM   
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Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Ephesians 5:11

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A missed detail
Posted by: jbello on May 17, 2008 2:44 PM   
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Many people in Iran are currently impoverished by what appears to me to be a combination of poor money management and American enforced sanctions. An article was recently posted to a list of recent Iran Delegates (to which Larry belongs) where Iranian Jews say that they are indeed tempted to leave because there is a European Jewish organization that will move them to Israel, which appears to have a more affluent lifestyle available than Iran along with a goodly sum of cash to get
started. The article goes on to say that many middle and working class Iranians would take a deal like this for purely economic reasons.
Shortly thereafter, an article was posted on Syria Comment (Josh Landis' 5* blog) where the author did research among the Syrian Jews who left when Hafez Asad gave them permission to do so. The people interviewed were in the US. They said that they really like and respected Asad, and that they were more respected and better treated in Syria after his accession to power. They said that they did feel some inner conflict over being a citizen of Israel's 'Enemy' and it was a problem. However, the reason they left Syria, very quickly after doing so became legal, is because they were offered sizable cash settlements and transport to Israel or the US where they assumed they would lead a more affluent life with more opportunities. Again, they got the offer because they were Jews, but they acted because it was too good an offer for a member of a developing nation to turn down.
I don't know about the emotional aspect of being a Jew because I don't have a meaningful identification with any group, I suppose. I am a German Italian British Irish French American whose progenitors arrived in the US after the beginning of the 20th century. I was raised by ambivalent Catholics with a serious dose of science and agnosticism, and have been a practicing Buddhist for many years.
It does seem, however, that much of the demographic evidence used to present the Middle East as more anti Jewish (anti-semitic, in this case, is ridiculous) than us westerners is manufactured.
By the way, how many Muslims have been in the US congress? how many Hindus? Over how many years is this the case, and out of how many congressional members total?
As a woman, I do have some sensitivities, but there are women in every other demographic group. Who will buy us a ticket heaven and pay for our childrens' education?

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» RE: A missed detail Posted by: davmills
Mitochrondrial EVE....as the persians would say...Oikhh Vey!
Posted by: sumwoman on May 18, 2008 12:25 AM   
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this story is funny…

every year, come March 21, the Persians roll out Hajji Firuz.

Hajji Firuz is a man, dressed all in red with a black face and body…he is the closest thing to a religious icon that Persians have and he ushers in the New Year.

For about 2 weeks, the Persians wonder amongst themselves, why do we have a black man as our icon for the New Year?

Firuz is so, so, so old, the Persians have forgotten his origins, they just roll him out and let him do his thing. By the time April comes around, the excitement and the debate dies down until the next year.

I giggle because a likely answer would be…THE PERSIANS ARE FROM AFRICA. we have roots in Africa and Hajji Firuz is a link to our origins.

some Persians deny this out right, some shrug their shoulders and say “perhaps” and others don’t give a crap.

Here’s a clue…check out this map…The “Mitochondrial Eve” and her journey from Africa to northern Europe…notice the stop over in Iran?

The map that routes Eve’s journey is at the bottom of the page.

http://www.petrovic.org/blog/page/2/

so this what it looks like to me….The European Jews would like to think that it all started somewhere by the Rhine River. However, evidence proves it started far away from the Rhine river and a long long long time before the 14th century.

The Persians should know better, however, they’re just thankful the Muslims have allowed them to celebrate their New Year in their own frig’n land. They are kind of indisposed at this juncture in time.

we’ll have to leave it up to future generations.

: P

To confuse matters even more, I have a fews questions…
is Brahma an anagram for Abraham?
are hARI Kristnas related to ARYan Christians
did the worshippers of kALI, otherwise known as the Goddess CUNTI
drop the K from Kali, put a tent of over their chicks and become worshippers of Ali?

are you laughing…cuz I am…it’s too much…we are all confused…I’m just willing to admit it.

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InterLinear Qur'an: Arabic2Hebrew
Posted by: bootsykowan on May 22, 2008 9:47 AM   
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For me, I need this to understand Ancient Bible History in this 21st Century of archeology. I do believe, as RaMBaM probably KNEW, that Arabic and Hebrew are sister languages. Just two different symbol systems for similar sounds/words. The Saudis have already published why they can't do this sort of thing. It's just easier for them to control things in translating into English, French and Latin. However, Arabic to Hebrew? Too close 4 comfort.

I'm stuck now in my own research and discussions about the Middle East relationships because I KNOW that there are Palestinians who could be enlisted (with oodles of protection) to put online for free download, an InterLinear Qur'an: Arabic2Hebrew. Would make the whole world a whole lot safer for Jewish me. Probably for Jews on the West Bank too? Maybe change a lot of thinking in Persia, oops, Iran.

The Prince of Light overcoming the Prince of Dark?

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